Thread: Quantum Physics and the Nature of Dreamscaping

Originally posted by Seeker
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yeah...let me read this like 300 more times.

Alright, im not the biggest quantum physics fan, cause i practically know nothing about it.

'With that out of the way', you said that its a pair, and if you added a third link it would break, or whatever.

So, do these 3 people have to be in physical contact, be sleeping a proximity of 'x' amout of feet/yards?
Or can we try this?

current science lets entanglements occur only at close range. There is no reason that the particles cannot be seperated by a great distance.

We should be able to experiment. Would be neet for Dick to ask Jane if Tom was there...

Basically a particle pair is two particles that are connected some how, science cant really explain it at this point.

They some how have an instantaneous link, that is not effected by distance, (can you say interstellar communication boys and girls?) granted information would have to be transmitted in a serial manner.
So if you spin one particle one way, the other, regardless where it is spins in the same direction at the same exact time.

the tricky part is keeping them entangled, in the lab a magnetic jar might work but the spirit doing what it does best, influencing the physical world on the quantum scale is able to keep the entanglement going.

So the dreamers can be separated by any distance

hmmm...
Alright, i know this isn't related very well, but say you tried it with someone you love or know extreemly well, because in some of my relationships; say best friends, or especially with my girlfriend, i can almost finish her sentences, or i know what shes thinking alot of the time...
so would it be harder, say if you two above and me tried it?

I cannot answer that, because I've never experienced it, but I am pretty sure intention and desire are the key. As they are in all things spiritual.

Wow... I read it all and understood all the words...
Thats pretty good for me. (someone who knows -all about Quantum stuff)

It sounds like an interesting experiment and i'd probably want to try that if i could lucid dream often.

But i think you should get some people to try it and see if it works.

If only i knew how to do it.


Do i foucus my chi
open a door?


howd you do it again seri

I dont know how it happens, but I focused for hours beforehand, not on dreamwalking though, I was just messing around with fields, so I guess I was charged up so to speak, I was fustrated and tired and I did not let the energy go. I started to drift off to sleep, my mind did focus on the person I dreamwalked with, and it just happened. I wish I knew how to control it =/

I do think that people that are close in resonance will have a much easier time to dreamwalk than those that are very different.

Its like CB radio bands i guess, you have to tune into a certain frequency, sure you can be on one alone but other people might tune into the same frequency, and then you can converse with one another.

Quantum resonance is a much tighter frequency though, and I guess its not an easy thing to tune into letalone tune into the same frequency as some one you know at the same time.

Hmmm... Wonder why Shawndow is so interested...

I haven't read much about quantum physics (about 2 pages in my old physics book) but this is really interesting. I have to admit I'm a bit sceptical to Dreamscaping (No offence to you who have experienced it) but I will have no problem with ii if you are able to prove it scientifically in a way that is somewhat understandible to normal people.

And now a little question:

Originally posted by Seeker
Particle pairing is a delicate think, due to the uncertainty theory, each end of the pair can only be observed by one observer.

How does the Heisenberg uncertainty say that? Doesn't it only say that you can't determine all the states at single time? (It's not easy translating something I can hardly put into words in my own language)

OOooooh, this is awesome! (i guess i'm a dork, too)

I agree with the radio band idea and it being an integral part of the collective consciousness, and thus dreamwalking. The frequencies exist but most of us are unable to interpret them, let alone harness them to arrive at a specific place or person.

So, there are levels of frequecy...

---___ ___ --- parabolic waves of quatas
--- ___ ___ ---
===

all things on earth both produce and participate in the waves of thought,
wether it be intellectual or instinctual (varies with frequency), they all tune into the radio band earth station.

so much is going on, this creates Quatum entanglement. which is essentially just the parabolas of quantum waves bouncing off of and flowing with one another.
Space and time are the same. That is important to our way of thinking about this. They interact the same way whereas thoughts and dreams do no adhere to these rules at all. Dreams and thoughts are only effected by spacetime when we try to conceptualize them. when they are actually happening, they are transcendent of these laws.

Because Wikipedia defines his 'entanglements' with two points in space, I think a major point is missed. The entanglements happen ALL of the time, that is nature at its most chaotic neutral state. THOST TWO POINTS IN SPACE ARE ACTUALLY THE SAME. And that is the problem with his theory. Our physical perception that they are different does not mean they are. we are all always connected. we all have quata, we all contain anti-matter. so, in essence, even though we are separated by miles or millenia, we are all the same base set of physical make-up, and transcendent through EACHOTHER.

Information, thus, IS entanglement. It is the collision of quatum parabolas being observed.

here's the real kicker...
a pair of lucid dreamers who focus on their personal exchange of information are causing multiple entanglements. The first is that of perception. The second is quatum. But, they were ALWAYS sharing the same dream, their wild perceptive imaginations trick them into believeing otherwise.

It is not that we cannot share lucid experiences. It is that we all share the same dream each night!!!

and that is ultimately what I am suggesting. it is not that we cannot lucid eachother, it is that we do it ALL THE TIME and have built conscious filters to rationalize an extreme overload of quatum entanglements. Particle pairing is not tricky, it is simotaniouly happening all of the time with every being on the smallest level. we share imaginations, we share dreams, we ARE the same being. Particle pairing is the constant of the universe, because such small small small particles exist throughout each of us that are the same.

I have seen you all in my dreams although I know not a single face. We see representations of eachothers thoughts, not nessesarily the physical form that some would expect. And although "jane might recite numbers" she may be thinking about a tuna fish sandwich and muddle up the fragility of an environment where what you think is what you project and, therefor, what you are and, therefor, what the world around both of them becomes. Not to metion the perceptor of the numbers, who may be thinking a myriad of infinite possibilities...in fact, i would say we all do this all of the time. we do not think in pictures of humans, we think in random abstract collages of everything we know. One could say that our perceptions are already massive complexes of quantum entaglements, not linear, but panoptic (root like, centrifical thoughts).

I think it is ridiculous to assume that only two entities can interact when each identity brings a million perceptions of others with them. Heisenberg is wrong to me. He assumes that individual ego exists and that is his fault. each ego is a mass of other egos.

to close, Tom and Dick not only know eachother's existence, but they are the same perception!

To hinder and control one's quantum resonance reciever is an incredible feat. We all do it all th time, but to mold it into a fitting perception may be fatal, because things do not exist on the dreamscape as they do in our realities...i fact, I would argue that the primary problem is that we are unable to accuratly percieve our realities, we are unable to see all the planes which we congruently inhabit (all of them in my belief) because the quatum frequecy is so rarified amoung our perceptions. Although the frequency has many waves, they are all the same, and thus all available to anyone...usually on random accidents, hehe.

The two particles are connected at their smallest source, I will say either antimatter or something even smaller still! it is the only thing that is evenly distributed throughout the universe and all beings as quatas may be, or may be very close to. Distance, again, is the illusion of time, which quatum physics easily transcends. I do believe that they are all always entangled, but we have not the ability to observe it. The dreamers could, theoretically, be separated by a universe and still have instantaneous psychic connection, and that is amazing...maybe we think alien thoughts, maybe we all evolve at the same rate much like earth did (assuming other life exists). But it is here, on earth, that the bands of quantum frequencies are strongest, we grew out of them over millions of years, they are our thoughts hearts.

I like Planck's constant. Smart guy.
I don't know anything aboput physics, but I know quatum physics throughthe various myth-religion studies I've done, oddly enough. My theory is based off of Tao and early christian myth with the "even distribution of entropy throughout the universe."

Antimatter my friends. I think it is real now. Ultimate entropy exists on the smallest level within each of us.

However, I may be muddled, so let me know how this all translates out. Again, I don't know much about physics, just the ideas that surround it.

We dream eachother, always. We think inside eachothers' heads. We are one imagination, one spirit, spread thin across entangled perceptions of the multiverse, but still ALL connected eternally.

Hmmm...

Let me try to give an extremely simple summary.

All couciousness in the universe, you, me, every being, and on varous planes is the result of continous forming and breaking of entanglements of all particles at the quantum level?

It is the sea if seething entanglements that is the basis of reality?

These entanglements happen on the scale of Plancks contant, which by the way is the level at which matter and anti-matter spontaneously come into and phase out of existance?

ok

universe = consciousness = god = you

~thus~

something = nothing or, as I know it Tao = Te
even though they are different

they are the same...this is dark virtue

the entaglements flow perfectly, their collisions the very fabric of reality

Originally posted by Seeker
If you have read this far, please add your thoughts. (Be nice, we know we are GEEKS!)

I prefer the term nerd!

Um, I don't really have time to get into the whole quanta/meta physics aspect right now, but I can say that I've had simultaneous same dreams with more than one person at a time and distance does not matter by any means. It actually can create a stronger connection when their is greater space because the spirit longs for the missing energy, at least that's what I think. I would love to get your take on the precognitive/dreamscaping dream I wrote about. These are totally astute, well informed and awesome ascertations. I totally understand reaching quantum phyiscs through studies of a spiritual nature. That' show I arrived at that point.

zero=infinity

Here is a question I always had about physics...

How can you represent the bending of space in three dimensions, instead of on a two dimensonal table.

Originally posted by dougdrums
How can you represent the bending of space in three dimensions, instead of on a two dimensonal table.

You would have to set up a wire cube maybe? Still would take some imagination singe the bending occurs in the fourth dimension.

Your definition of bending space is what?....

Ok, so are we talking about objects in space or space itself?....

Hmmmm......

Do you know how rare it is for someone to get me thinking?....

Hmm.. you may want to read "Adventures Beyond the Body" by William Buhlman; he has an entire chapter devoted to the subject.. not sure if he's got the right idea but it seems plausible. Anyone know of other books that explore the connection between OOBE's and quantum physics?

In the Astral realm distance doesn't exist the vibrations are too fine and fast. You can hear, see, and travel anywhere by willing it. I think the astral realm is made of Astro-photons. Photons in this realm travel at the speed of light, C. However, I read somewhere that c isn't the limit velocity of Electromagnetic energy, it is the limit of the carrier (photon). Of couse it was never proven because obviously there would be no higher carriers in this realm. Then the dicovery of dark-matter gave reason to believe that there is higher matter moving faster than C, especially since beta and alpha particles and no known technologies can even bring it to light. The only force believed to affect this matter is gravity and for obvious reasons. When astral projecting it is said the more powerful your magnetic feild the harder it is and AP'ers sometimes report being stuck to powerlines suggesting it is E-magnetic in nature. As far as bending space the properties of the astral are very different from the physical. There is inf. space but no distance, since movement occurs at the speed of thought, only in this realm of density distance exist and bending objects is the same in the Astral as the physical except for that fact that objects in the astral are created by thought. So it might stay bent for only an hour in physical time. Time is actually the 4-D and the astral realm is the 5-D.

Wholy frikin hell why did I see that its so damned simple Thank you blu!

DUH!! there the same frikin point in spacetime! of course thats why they react the way they do without time lag... *sigh*

I do agree that we are all one and not only just us but all of existance and that = god

Its tricky for us humans using technology to create entanglements that we can observe is what I meant, they happen all the time in nature.
It is also creepy that under the planks... HAHAH (kneeslapper) constant, matter appears and vanishes... makes one wonder

I want to get more into this but my mind isint in the right state of mind to think in the zigzag I need it to, to make any sense =D

anyways... as for higher energy than photons. There are theoretical particles called Tahcyons that have no mass... soooo if something has no mass it dosent have that pesky problem of needing an exponential amount of energy to accelerate it past the speed of light.

It is theoretical though so who knows...

Originally posted by rogue_noir
Hmm.. *you may want to read \"Adventures Beyond the Body\" by William Buhlman; he has an entire chapter devoted to the subject.. *not sure if he's got the right idea but it seems plausible. *Anyone know of other books that explore the connection between OOBE's and quantum physics?

Nothing in this Book is True, But it's Exactly how Things Are.....

Sometimes it delves into semantics and strict beleif, otherwise a worthy read.....I can't think of the author right now

Aaargh, you beat me to it Seri! I was thinging of Tachyons also!

That elusive particle that has infinite mass at it's resting state of c.

Hmmm... gonna crawl back into my hole and chew on that one for a little while...