Password shared dreaming experiment

Moved to Beyond Dreaming at the request of the OP.

Here is a good picture of our location:

http://www.terminartors.com/files/mu...a-Bulgaria.jpg

Sweet! I was actually going to suggest a starting picture, perfectly fine with that, thanks!

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Originally Posted by Linkzelda

Sweet! I was actually going to suggest a starting picture, perfectly fine with that, thanks!

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That door in the center of it is where you enter the building. When you enter, there are beautiful stairs. Here is what it looks like inside:

http://i47.tinypic.com/10q9pjt.jpg

To explain the picture Jakob added, he wanted me to mention that the man in the white suit is apparently sitting behind the altar where we will place our beliefs that the password will be distributed. He goes by the name of Justin Caesar. All of those women are his women, so we shouldn't let the thoughts of lust distract us from the goal. :lol:

I guess this helps with condensing the location for the password.

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Originally Posted by Linkzelda

To explain the picture Jakob added, he wanted me to mention that the man in the white suit is apparently sitting behind the altar where we will place our beliefs that the password will be distributed. He goes by the name of Justin Caesar. All of those women are his women, so we shouldn't let the thoughts of lust distract us from the goal. :lol:

I guess this helps with condensing the location for the password.

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You got it. :)

Awaiting your results! I look forward to actually making some progress here, although I find it strange as soon as we actually want to test this that all the believers mysteriously disappear. It would seem the skeptics of shared dreaming are the only ones who are making headway to prove it!

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Originally Posted by Linkzelda

As for my honesty, if I can't recall any dreams, I will still put "No Dream Recall." And recalling my dreams and keeping a consistent dream journal is one of my main hobbies every since I joined this forum.

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This is just as important as having a positive result, IMHO. If you are, in fact, participating in the experiment, then your results should be logged, whatever the results are.

The first night (the pilot night) 20 JUL 2012 10 PM - 21 JUL 2012 400 AM EST, the password I used was:

Rubik's cube (whether it was the image, the object, or the word of the Rubik's cube on the altar of the cathedral. For me, it was the object itself.)

I have to say, my dream *was* weird last night! :)

Lion: Maybe skeptics aren't so bad after all?

No luck for me. I had a lot of random dreams. I set an alarm to wake me up at 3:45 AM and was getting ready to sleep at around 11:45 AM I think, but it seemed I quickly turned it off and forgot about the WBTB in general.

That was probably 2-4 hours of sleep, excluding the fact that I was moving around the bed a lot. I would suggest posting the password later on in the day, or at least until someone has made a post to keep as logs. I pretty much couldn't do another WBTB because I was already going through Dream Journal entries to get myself into the mood of staying up for a WBTB and to ultimately go to the Cathedral.

But for now, negative on my end, and by the time I got on Dream Views, I already saw this thread and the password. :(

Even if I were to do the WBTB, having the password already set out would make it pointless, unless of course, it was just a test, but I doubt it. I'll just look forward to tonight and try again (5:10 AM right now). I'll have to get ready to pack any other stuff for a road trip I'm taking today. It might take 10 hours in fact, and I'll most likely be taking small naps as well.

But yeah, posting the password at least when you're going to sleep to set a new one in a lucid would be ideal, to prevent others who are addicted to logging on Dream Views during their WBTB.

:)

Also here's the dream journal entry if you're interested,

Kicked in the Chest, Bike Riding, Horse Riding and Torso Healing, Tennis Courts and Indoor Garden - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

JULY 21, 2012 CST -5:00, DJ entry posted 5:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Linkzelda

No luck for me. I had a lot of random dreams. I set an alarm to wake me up at 3:45 AM and was getting ready to sleep at around 11:45 AM I think, but it seemed I quickly turned it off and forgot about the WBTB in general.

That was probably 2-4 hours of sleep, excluding the fact that I was moving around the bed a lot. I would suggest posting the password later on in the day, or at least until someone has made a post to keep as logs. I pretty much couldn't do another WBTB because I was already going through Dream Journal entries to get myself into the mood of staying up for a WBTB and to ultimately go to the Cathedral.

But for now, negative on my end, and by the time I got on Dream Views, I already saw this thread and the password. :(

Even if I were to do the WBTB, having the password already set out would make it pointless, unless of course, it was just a test, but I doubt it. I'll just look forward to tonight and try again (5:10 AM right now). I'll have to get ready to pack any other stuff for a road trip I'm taking today. It might take 10 hours in fact, and I'll most likely be taking small naps as well.

But yeah, posting the password at least when you're going to sleep to set a new one in a lucid would be ideal, to prevent others who are addicted to logging on Dream Views during their WBTB.

:)

Also here's the dream journal entry if you're interested,

Kicked in the Chest, Bike Riding, Horse Riding and Torso Healing, Tennis Courts and Indoor Garden - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

JULY 21, 2012 CST -5:00, DJ entry posted 5:05 AM

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Excellent idea... in the future, I'll post the password from the previous day before I go to sleep, so around 10 PM. So... last night's password wouldn't have been posted for another 15 hours or so.

Also, just to make sure, you only set out the password when you're lucid right? What if you weren't able to induce lucidity, and a participant just happened to find an archetype to lead them to the Cathedral, and all they could find was nothing, or just a random password.

I understand that it's better to have the password set out in a lucid, while your mind is fresh in that state of awareness, but factors such that can prevent you from fulfilling that role:

-You become lucid, but you are focused on stabilizing it so much that you forget your intention.

-You fall for a false awakening, somehow get baptized (:lol:), and forget.

-Someone seduces you in a lucid and you forget. :P

It would seem practical to have password written down and contained where you're residing at the time being, and then sleep with the intention that you will remember to put the password in the Cathedral. And if that cannot be the case, and I don't know if you do this already, but doing a WBTB and then writing the password could add on to increasing the likelihood that it gets put out there.

I'm not challenging your skill in lucid dreaming or anything like that, just merely proposing anything you might not have thought of to make sure that if you couldn't become lucid, at least others methods (WBTB+MILDS, WBTB+V-MILDS, etc.) would be in your favor.

It would really suck if me or someone else had an epic lucid dream, having so much stabilization and control, indulging themselves in the mentality that they can get clues in finding the password in the Cathedral, only to to fine that the person putting the password just had bad luck with attaining lucidity. :P

But if becoming lucid and forming a new password from that state of awareness instead of one that can be written as a preset is required, I guess I'll have to get serious in synching in with your sleeping periods.

I don't mind doing that at all, but just suggestions to make the experiment consistent.

Good luck on your experiment, would like to see how this outcome will be :)

I'm going to join this experiment aswell, except I'm am going to focus on incubating the idea of the cathedral into my dreams, so that's non-lucid. I want to see if being lucid or not will actually make a difference because there is no evidence it should if your mind already has the intention of finding the password. Btw how much hours behind greenwich time are you?

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Originally Posted by Lion

Awaiting your results! I look forward to actually making some progress here, although I find it strange as soon as we actually want to test this that all the believers mysteriously disappear. It would seem the skeptics of shared dreaming are the only ones who are making headway to prove it!

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Lol, to be honest with you, I fully expected it to be that way. :D

It's not only the believers that disappear, but also the shared dreamers who supposedly have shared dreams on a regular basis. :roll:

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Originally Posted by Mindraker

This is just as important as having a positive result, IMHO. If you are, in fact, participating in the experiment, then your results should be logged, whatever the results are.

The first night (the pilot night) 20 JUL 2012 10 PM - 21 JUL 2012 400 AM EST, the password I used was:

Rubik's cube (whether it was the image, the object, or the word of the Rubik's cube on the altar of the cathedral. For me, it was the object itself.)

I have to say, my dream *was* weird last night! :)

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My results: I had a series of non-lucid dreams which were completely unrelated to the subject.

But I have to say that I thought the password assignment would work differently. I thought that you (Mindraker) would place this password near the alter, and then not change it at all. People would then try to retrieve it for days, weeks, months.

I'm sure you understand that it is very difficult for you to use a new password every night? So why not make it easier for yourself?

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Originally Posted by Jakob

My results: I had a series of non-lucid dreams which were completely unrelated to the subject.

But I have to say that I thought the password assignment would work differently. I thought that you (Mindraker) would place this password near the alter, and then not change it at all. People would then try to retrieve it for days, weeks, months.

I'm sure you understand that it is very difficult for you to use a new password every night? So why not make it easier for yourself?

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Wow, we've already come across so many things here, and we're not even 24 hours into the experiment.

My initial hypothesis was, if dream sharing were possible, I could sleep with a password in mind (e.g., "Rubik's Cube"), and someone else could sleep at the same time, and supposedly that other person would be able to find the password in his/her dream.

But apparently -- there also seems to be disagreement as to whether we even need to be dreaming at the same time for dream sharing to take place...? I mean, I thought in order for my dream to go to you, our dreams need to be "in synch" at the same time. (That's why I like the idea of using an EEG machine... it monitors brain activity in real time.)

Who knows... I could be wrong... :lol: that's the point of the experiment.

So... If I change the password every night, we can pinpoint any telepathies down to a 24 hour period. Actually, it would be more like a narrow 6-hour window, because it would be the time that I would be asleep.


If I leave the password unchanged... it would kind of be like hacking a lowercase email password... eventually, with enough guesses, you'll get it. But that's just brute force... that doesn't necessarily mean we're telepathic.

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Originally Posted by dutchraptor

I'm going to join this experiment aswell, except I'm am going to focus on incubating the idea of the cathedral into my dreams, so that's non-lucid. I want to see if being lucid or not will actually make a difference because there is no evidence it should if your mind already has the intention of finding the password. Btw how much hours behind greenwich time are you?

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Great! Glad to have you on board.

Right now, we're 5 hours earlier than London, but it can vary by an hour because Daylight Savings Time isn't exactly at the same date as Europe is.

Edit: We're the same time as New York.

Dear mindraker

Thank you for this opportunity. I will play every night.

I will use Dale Graff's instructions for psi-dreaming but I will "intend" to get a psi dream about the password and not a personal precog.

I will record in my dream journal

Here are Dale Graff's instructions that I will use:

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Originally Posted by debrajane

Interviewer:

What can people do to train themselves for precognitive dreams?

Dale Graff:

Ok

Actually it's not that difficult.

The first thing, I would say is, "the attitude". You have to accept the possibility that it's possible.

It's not dissimilar to how we train for remote viewing.

You accept the reality of the phenomenon and say, "Yeah it's real", you don't have to be a believer, just accept the possibility.

Then

In terms of dreams the best aproach is

To begin a "dream journal"

and

"intend" each night to remember something.

It doesn't have to be a specific kind of dream. It's just whatever it is your dreaming about.

"Start recording" a dream or two. You don't have to do every one. We dream about 10 or more times a night anyway. You don't remember all that.

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Originally Posted by debrajane

Interviewer:

So like, with that plane dream I would woken-up, wrote it down, explained what I saw and just put it in a journal.

Dale Graff:

Yeah, just jot down a few notes. You don’t have to write the whole thing out because you might not be finished with your dream cycle for the night.

Interviewer:

Mm mm.

Dale Graff:
The best thing to do is have a little note pad at your bedside and just jot down a few words. Then when you do wake-up in the morning, looking at those few words will trigger the entire thing. It will bring back the memory of the entire dream.

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And it’s usually quite effective. But in terms of dreams, after you have experienced remembering dreams and recording them in your journal, writing them out, that is like sending a signal to your subconscious mind that you really are serious about this. And it helps reinforce your intention.

Then after a while, after maybe a few days, a few weeks of practice like this, then set aside a specific objective, like:

“I desire to remember a dream, (a psychic dream or a precognitive dream) about something that I will be encountering in the next day or something unique that will catch my attention". Whatever it is.

And hope that the dream, intend for the dream to be the last dream (or one of the last dreams) of the night and that it be as brief as possible.

With these strategies, with these intentionality’s it will help reduce all the static, all the noise that people normally have in a dream. And so the psi-dream or the precognitive dream is very brief, it’s very much to the point, it’s easy to remember, and it’s very clear.

So

With that kind of intentionality, it’s part strategy, you just simply practice at it until you have it down to the point of an art.

Interviewer:

Now when you do this does it invigorate you in your physical state? When you start dreaming and learning how to do this does it make you physically feel better?

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The above is post 14 and 15 of this thread:

http://www.dreamviews.com/f19/dale-g...6/#post1915398

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Originally Posted by Mindraker

Excellent idea... in the future, I'll post the password from the previous day before I go to sleep, so around 10 PM. So... last night's password wouldn't have been posted for another 15 hours or so.

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Mindraker:

Why post the password at all? Just have people post their guesses here, and if someone gets it right or very close to right, announce it then and only then.

I think doing it that way you avoid people "suddenly remembering" that they got it right -- not that anyone here would do that on purpose, but it is easy, very tempting, and sometimes psychologically unavoidable to revisit your memories of the dream with the password in hand, find the thing that best resembles it, and then alter it slightly (with very convincing rationale) to resemble the password. Again I'm not saying that will happen with this group -- they seem pretty sincere. But it could, especially if people really want to get it right. But by not issuing the password at all, you'll never have to worry about it, or about those pesky skeptics who'll say "That guy just said he heard the password to look good; how can we believe him?".

Another good reason not to post the password, even a day later, is because you still have it in you. In other words, There is always a chance that someone might pick up on a password you created five dreams ago, because it is still floating around your unconscious; day/LD residue can last quite a while, especially with a project like this that necessarily demands a lot of attention from you.

tl;dr: So I suggest you keep the password permanently secret, unless/until you see a match or something very close to a match get posted. It ought to make the thread fairly interesting, too!

Again, just a thought!

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Originally Posted by Sageous

Mindraker:

Why post the password at all? Just have people post their guesses here, and if someone gets it right or very close to right, announce it then and only then.

I think doing it that way you avoid people "suddenly remembering" that they got it right -- not that anyone here would do that on purpose, but it is easy, very tempting, and sometimes psychologically unavoidable to revisit your memories of the dream with the password in hand, find the thing that best resembles it, and then alter it slightly (with very convincing rationale) to resemble the password. Again I'm not saying that will happen with this group -- they seem pretty sincere. But it could, especially if people really want to get it right. But by not issuing the password at all, you'll never have to worry about it, or about those pesky skeptics who'll say "That guy just said he heard the password to look good; how can we believe him?".

Another good reason not to post the password, even a day later, is because you still have it in you. In other words, There is always a chance that someone might pick up on a password you created five dreams ago, because it is still floating around your unconscious; day/LD residue can last quite a while, especially with a project like this that necessarily demands a lot of attention from you.

tl;dr: So I suggest you keep the password permanently secret, unless/until you see a match or something very close to a match get posted. It ought to make the thread fairly interesting, too!

Again, just a thought!

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I can see if I were to pick "passwords" from objects in my room (like "Rubik's cube"), you would quickly get an idea of the type of person I am, and it would be pretty easy to form a mental image of what the next object would be. (E.g., chair, table, bed... you probably would guess "lamp" or "desk".)

However, if I were to simply take random passwords from the dictionary, then this doesn't really exist...

Good point. I don't know if it has to be kept secret, but... yeah, you are still observant of what the history of passwords are.

I think I'll join up as a playful skeptic. :) And I live in the same time zone so that's a plus.

So just to clarify, my job will be to have a dream where I got to this cathedral and once inside find or ask for the password. Is that all we're doing?

I'll try my best to get some stuff in but starting out again with lucids and been in the wrong timezone isn't boding well for me. =(

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Originally Posted by dms111

I think I'll join up as a playful skeptic. :) And I live in the same time zone so that's a plus.

So just to clarify, my job will be to have a dream where I got to this cathedral and once inside find or ask for the password. Is that all we're doing?

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For the moment, if you can find the password in the cathedral (on my end, I'm placing it on the cathedral altar). I'm assuming it's OK to let you know where I'm putting it on my end, as long as I'm not telling you what it is.

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Originally Posted by Lion

I'll try my best to get some stuff in but starting out again with lucids and been in the wrong timezone isn't boding well for me. =(

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It shall be a learning experience, regardless. I do often take a mid-day nap because of my medication side effects. Let's just see what we find out!

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Originally Posted by Mindraker

For the moment, if you can find the password in the cathedral (on my end, I'm placing it on the cathedral altar). I'm assuming it's OK to let you know where I'm putting it on my end, as long as I'm not telling you what it is.



It shall be a learning experience, regardless. I do often take a mid-day nap because of my medication side effects. Let's just see what we find out!

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But why keep changing the password every night? I still don't understand. Just place one password on the alter and don't reveal what it is.