Password shared dreaming experiment

Thank you for the invitation Windhover.

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Originally Posted by Windhover@

I don't mean to offend you guys here but folks... IOSDP. IOSDP everywhere.

http://www.dreamviews.com/f144

plz check out once? please? :yawnorama:

I really like the idea of making a password Mindcracker, it would be better if we have SD and confirm it in a sufficient way.
But... I don't want you to make failure like we did in IOSDP.

First, you are focusing on getting to a place, not meeting a person. This would be 'shared themed dreaming', not 'SHARED dream'.

Well, I'll tell you a story... For half a year IOSDP members tried to meet at Chicen Itza pyramid. All of them.. about 50 members I assume. I think I made it to the pyramid while I was lucid for 5 times succesfully during the half year.

I think I made over 50 times attempting to go to the pyramid while lucid, but failed. In the 5 times I never met anyone and failed SDing.

I think only one case was successful SDing at the pyramid - this one member met a woman holding a baby at the top of pyramid... Well. only one successful SD attempt during a half year.

The meeting place itself make people a connection somehow, but it literally does not make you share dream with each other.

So we changed the Chicen Itza pyramid to Giza pyramid. More simple and everyone knows Giza Pyramids at Egypt.
The first night, Katsuno, Aeolar and I had a very big synch (fight with enemies in a closed space, and Katsuno and Aeolar were at the same place I think) We didn't managed to go to the pyramids but we somehow had a synch.
But it doesn't still define a shared dream, we rather had a 'same themed' SD.

So we realized that getting to a meeting place is ACTUALLY HARD if you are not good at achieving lucidity. Like Mzzck said, this was the biggest failure in IOSDP project. So we stopped meeting at place, instead we worked on getting lucid.

Lucidity is not required for SDing. However it allows us to find a specific person thru dream, Nomad said that.

So another half year I attempted finding a specific person while lucid for about 10 times I think, but almost of them I failed.... is it because the person lives far away and we don't sleep at the same time? (the person I tried to find lived in England)
(We've managed to find each other on the same night though, we were at the same place - school.)

What is a 'shared dream', really? Is it just having a 'meshing' dream, dreaming the same factor, a share dream? Is finding a specific person while lucid, and meet each other SHARING information, and then when you wake up you confirm the same exact place/ feature you saw/ conversation you heard a shared dream?

As of now I think the second question is right.
So whatever you're doing now for proving a SDing.... don't make failures every night, eventually becoming frustrated... and then conclude that 'SD is not real'. Of course password idea is still good - I really didn't try to prove SD because I only focused on getting lucid and or finding a specific person in dream.

We're starting a new SD project in IOSDP soon, based on all failures we've experienced we're gonna brainstorm ideas there to have real shared dream. We might include the password idea. So if you're interested, please join :)

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My physics teacher said "with experiments there is no such thing as failure to real scientist's. Only lay people use that worf " faiure" because they don't understand the scientific method like the properly trained scientist.

In "real" science they brain-storm to come come up with a hypothesis . Then set the variables.

A simple hypothesis goes something like this: IF we adjuust this variabe THEN this will happen.

The experiment is run. It cannot fail. The results of the experiment will either SUPPORT the hypothesis or the results of the experiment will not support the hypothesis.

When the hypothesis is not supported the exciting stuff begins as we look for the reasons the results did not support the hypothesis.

Then change the variables and or restate the hypothesis and go again, and again, and again.

The Great Leonardo Ds Vinci (1452-1519) worked secretly on finding the Philosophor's stone. They would have burnt him at the stake if he was found out.

I believe that people returned to abandoned gold mines 30 or so years after they had been worked out. Astonishingly, thin layers of bubbly, pure gold had magicaly, reappeared in these long abandoned mines. (?!!!?)

The Greatest minds of the day (like Leanardo) hypothesised that it was some combination of (x) that they gave the code name the Philosopher's Stone that turned the base metals (in the long abandoned gold mines) into the bubbly gold.

Then in ummm ... just a few years ago an Adelaide geologist worked on the hypothesis that unique bacteria eat single atoms of gold. This makes them poisoness to all other bacteria.

Over decades as the bacteria divides over and over the bubbly gold becomes visible.

The process that "seemingly" created gold from nothing is finally understood.

Dream Sharing etc may take decades even hundreds of years to understand. Even with great (scientific) minds like Leonardo working on it.

By the way I made it to Chicken Itza. I was driven up to the top and chuked off. Later I Googled Chiken Itza and discovered that was the real fate of many.

The Dream Journal entry was made on 12-August-2011 and I titled it "First Attempt"
Here it is:

first attempt - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

Let me give this a shot. I've tried running a random number generator before without looking at it, then checking my device in the dream for the number. What happens, though, is that the number keeps changing within the dream to where I can't get a consistent answer.

That was a way for me to test the predictive power of the dream rather than a way to test shared dreaming. If someone does guess the password, how will we know it's not a dream predicting waking world phenomena rather than a shared dream? I'm not suggesting to modify the experiment further, it's just something to think about. And either result would be freaking amazing and be worth studying.

Anyway I'm going to start looking for the password and if I start getting a consistent message I'll post it.

I snoop on a couple other dream sites. I can't name names or I might be kicked off them if they find out.

But

At 7:26 AM (24-July-2012) a regular poster at another dream site dreamt of a caduceus and that was the whole dream. He gave a link to here:

Caduceus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Then described how his dream-image differed from the links picture of a caduceus.

I, debraJane believe that all us humans are one being in billions of bodies so this guy may have picked up the dream password released by our Sender Mindraker.

I won't tell him. I will just wait amd see what is revealed on the 22nd of August.

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Originally Posted by Windhover@

I don't mean to offend you guys here but folks... IOSDP. IOSDP everywhere. http://www.dreamviews.com/f144
plz check out once? please? :yawnorama:

I really like the idea of making a password Mindcracker, it would be better if we have SD and confirm it in a sufficient way.
But... I don't want you to make failure like we did in IOSDP.

First, you are focusing on getting to a place, not meeting a person. This would be 'shared themed dreaming', not 'SHARED dream'.

Well, I'll tell you a story... For half a year IOSDP members tried to meet at Chicen Itza pyramid. All of them.. about 50 members I assume. I think I made it to the pyramid while I was lucid for 5 times succesfully during the half year. I think I made over 50 times attempting to go to the pyramid while lucid, but failed. In the 5 times I never met anyone and failed SDing.
I think only one case was successful SDing at the pyramid - this one member met a woman holding a baby at the top of pyramid... Well. only one successful SD attempt during a half year.

The meeting place itself make people a connection somehow, but it literally does not make you share dream with each other.

So we changed the Chicen Itza pyramid to Giza pyramid. More simple and everyone knows Giza Pyramids at Egypt.
The first night, Katsuno, Aeolar and I had a very big synch (fight with enemies in a closed space, and Katsuno and Aeolar were at the same place I think) We didn't managed to go to the pyramids but we somehow had a synch.
But it doesn't still define a shared dream, we rather had a 'same themed' SD.

So we realized that getting to a meeting place is ACTUALLY HARD if you are not good at achieving lucidity. Like Mzzck said, this was the biggest failure in IOSDP project. So we stopped meeting at place, instead we worked on getting lucid.

Lucidity is not required for SDing. However it allows us to find a specific person thru dream, Nomad said that.

So another half year I attempted finding a specific person while lucid for about 10 times I think, but almost of them I failed.... is it because the person lives far away and we don't sleep at the same time? (the person I tried to find lived in England)
(We've managed to find each other on the same night though, we were at the same place - school.)

What is a 'shared dream', really? Is it just having a 'meshing' dream, dreaming the same factor, a share dream? Is finding a specific person while lucid, and meet each other SHARING information, and then when you wake up you confirm the same exact place/ feature you saw/ conversation you heard a shared dream?

As of now I think the second question is right.
So whatever you're doing now for proving a SDing.... don't make failures every night, eventually becoming frustrated... and then conclude that 'SD is not real'. Of course password idea is still good - I really didn't try to prove SD because I only focused on getting lucid and or finding a specific person in dream.

We're starting a new SD project in IOSDP soon, based on all failures we've experienced we're gonna brainstorm ideas there to have real shared dream. We might include the password idea. So if you're interested, please join :)

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Thank you for your feedback. We've actually eliminated the "location" aspect, as was suggested on this thread, and are simply trying to see if other people will come across the password in their dream.

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Originally Posted by debrajane

My physics teacher said "with experiments there is no such thing as failure to real scientist's.

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And that's kind of how I'm going about it; it doesn't really matter what the results are to me; I'm not trying to prove a point with this experiment -- I just want to discover things, which I already have done. To me, this experiment is already a success.

I had a string of lucids last night and in one I tried to summon your password. What I got was a white picket sign, about three feet tall, stuck in the ground. On it was two images. The faces of a man and a woman, not close but facing each other. The images were obviously drawings, but they were realistic drawings. Under each image there was a different sentence. I tried my hardest to memorize the sayings so I could remember them when I woke up, but I was unable to. All I remember is they were nonsensical.

Last night was a bunch of craziness piled into more madness:

Non-REM Sleep Nonsense - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

No luck with finding clues for the password, but I will point out some things.

-White top circular floor in a random house
-Redheaded lady wearing white jacket, and dark clothing underneath it.
-Purple skinned monster with one huge eye

Eh, not really what I had in mind lol.

Last night i was thinking in a non lucid dream about a password. I just can't remember the word, but it probably wasn't right... If i remember correctly, it was a word that didn't exist.

Dear Windhover

Will you do me a favour?

I get mixed-up and confused (easy) when trying to navigate around this huge Dreamviews site. I followed your link. But can't find the Thread you want me to read. Could you link me to one thread.

If you like, please open a thread, yourself, and we can talk about the NEW IOSDP (International oneironaut Shared Dreaming Project). I want to understand it and play, (do it).

Will you help me, Windhover?

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Originally Posted by Windhover@

I don't mean to offend you guys here but folks... IOSDP. IOSDP everywhere. http://www.dreamviews.com/f144
plz check out once? please? :yawnorama:

I really like the idea of making a password Mindcracker, it would be better if we have SD and confirm it in a sufficient way.
But... I don't want you to make failure like we did in IOSDP.

First, you are focusing on getting to a place, not meeting a person. This would be 'shared themed dreaming', not 'SHARED dream'.

Well, I'll tell you a story... For half a year IOSDP members tried to meet at Chicen Itza pyramid. All of them.. about 50 members I assume. I think I made it to the pyramid while I was lucid for 5 times succesfully during the half year. I think I made over 50 times attempting to go to the pyramid while lucid, but failed. In the 5 times I never met anyone and failed SDing.
I think only one case was successful SDing at the pyramid - this one member met a woman holding a baby at the top of pyramid... Well. only one successful SD attempt during a half year.

The meeting place itself make people a connection somehow, but it literally does not make you share dream with each other.

So we changed the Chicen Itza pyramid to Giza pyramid. More simple and everyone knows Giza Pyramids at Egypt.
The first night, Katsuno, Aeolar and I had a very big synch (fight with enemies in a closed space, and Katsuno and Aeolar were at the same place I think) We didn't managed to go to the pyramids but we somehow had a synch.
But it doesn't still define a shared dream, we rather had a 'same themed' SD.

So we realized that getting to a meeting place is ACTUALLY HARD if you are not good at achieving lucidity. Like Mzzck said, this was the biggest failure in IOSDP project. So we stopped meeting at place, instead we worked on getting lucid.

Lucidity is not required for SDing. However it allows us to find a specific person thru dream, Nomad said that.

So another half year I attempted finding a specific person while lucid for about 10 times I think, but almost of them I failed.... is it because the person lives far away and we don't sleep at the same time? (the person I tried to find lived in England)
(We've managed to find each other on the same night though, we were at the same place - school.)

What is a 'shared dream', really? Is it just having a 'meshing' dream, dreaming the same factor, a share dream? Is finding a specific person while lucid, and meet each other SHARING information, and then when you wake up you confirm the same exact place/ feature you saw/ conversation you heard a shared dream?

As of now I think the second question is right.
So whatever you're doing now for proving a SDing.... don't make failures every night, eventually becoming frustrated... and then conclude that 'SD is not real'. Of course password idea is still good - I really didn't try to prove SD because I only focused on getting lucid and or finding a specific person in dream.

We're starting a new SD project in IOSDP soon, based on all failures we've experienced we're gonna brainstorm ideas there to have real shared dream. We might include the password idea. So if you're interested, please join :)

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And "Password" participants

I am thinking of choosing a night. Maybe ... ummm ... what's today? It's nearly 10 PM Thursday 26-July here, now. So I pick Wednesday 1-August. I'll make an incubation affirmation to zero-in on remembered dreams of that night.

I'll use Dale Graff's incubation advice.

I remembered two dreams, but nothing associated with trying to find the password or anything like that.

One dream involved me meeting a girl with red head wearing a black outfit. Her eyes were fairly big, anime eyes basically. The environment itself was blurry, and she emphasized her presence. I couldn't help but gaze at her unique facial structure.

The other dream was just random. Anyway, I'm late in these posts because there's a lot of driving involved this week and possible a bit of next week as well.

Redhead in Black, She is a Lesbian - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

I got "kookaburra" from my nap. I didn't see one, I just asked what your password was and that was the answer that replied, from some unknown source. I'll see tomorrow if it's still kookaburra or if it changes.

I only remembered two random dreams.

One was me getting negative points in a classroom in High School I believe, and the other involved me throwing a prostitute at some dirt patch near a house.

This trip to New York and other areas going back is really messing my intentions up. Good luck to all participants as always. :)

Spoiler for Weird stuff:

http://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/link...stitute-36431/

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Originally Posted by Sageous

For instance, the Rubik's Cube (aside from being two words) was a good choice because a cube is a nice, simple object that can be described any number of ways and still mean "cube." Oh, and I also think that if someone had guessed "colored ice cube" or "rainbow box," or something similar, you could definitely raise an eyebrow, or two. I wouldn't worry about people figuring out your passwords, either, as long as you keep them random.

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Well yeah, of course, if someone posted "a box with a multiple colored hash on each side," instead of "Rubik's Cube", I'm not going to be a pissfart about it.

Keep up the good work, guys. I can't say if you're doing great or if you're sucking, that would skew the results! :D

Two random dreams again, one involving more airport traveling....(that's been coming up a lot lately), and the other was being inside of a waterfall cave. I think I had to wear or someone else had to wear a superhero costume with bright colors (mostly orange, red, and yellow).

I actually remembered the password attempt in my dream last night and a password appeared on a loading dock door attached to the office building I used to work at. There never had been a loading door there so it stood out pretty well for me.

Printed in large red characters was the password D0070 and a small sign which told people to enter the password to open the door. I thought it odd the password was printed on the outside of the door for all to see.


Anyway, just sharing. I am just happy I remembered the thread in my dream.

Probably nothing, but what the hey:

During a weak LD this morning, with thoughts of being on the lookout for the password in tow, my dream was interrupted by a tall biker-type guy with a distinctive mohawk hairstyle. Something made me think that was important, so I figured I'd share...

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Originally Posted by Sageous

Probably nothing, but what the hey:

During a weak LD this morning, with thoughts of being on the lookout for the password in tow, my dream was interrupted by a tall biker-type guy with a distinctive mohawk hairstyle. Something made me think that was important, so I figured I'd share...

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Just out of curiosity, when you say, "biker", do you mean "motorbiker" or "bicyclist"?

BTW, excellent work, everyone. Keep it up!

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Originally Posted by Chard

Let me give this a shot. I've tried running a random number generator before without looking at it, then checking my device in the dream for the number. What happens, though, is that the number keeps changing within the dream to where I can't get a consistent answer.

That was a way for me to test the predictive power of the dream rather than a way to test shared dreaming. If someone does guess the password, how will we know it's not a dream predicting waking world phenomena rather than a shared dream? I'm not suggesting to modify the experiment further, it's just something to think about. And either result would be freaking amazing and be worth studying.

Anyway I'm going to start looking for the password and if I start getting a consistent message I'll post it.

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It's certainly worth looking into, I like your idea, and maybe we can try doing that as well. I think this experiment that we're doing now has brought up a lot of issues about shared dreaming and made it more clear... I certainly don't think that this is the end-all-be-all experiment about shared dreaming.

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Originally Posted by Mindraker

Thank you all for participating! I should start logging all your guesses in a file... this is going to get big really fast.

What I'm experiencing, at least, is that I'm getting a lot of detail and more dreams, as I'm trying this. I'm not sure if this is *the cause* or not. But I'm certainly enjoying it.

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Mindraker, I would be willing to try this, but I have a question. If I am to find you in a dream, maybe some data would help, can you give us the following details? What city do you live in? A very general discription of yourself? Are you doing anything to enhance the chance you will dream of the word, like repeating it as you fall asleep?

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Originally Posted by sivason

Mindraker, I would be willing to try this, but I have a question. If I am to find you in a dream, maybe some data would help, can you give us the following details? What city do you live in? A very general discription of yourself? Are you doing anything to enhance the chance you will dream of the word, like repeating it as you fall asleep?

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Sure. I have tried envisioning the password before going to bed (but not every night).
I am keeping my sleep schedule regular, going to bed at the same time every night, because it would be hard for you to hunt for a dreamer if I were awake playing World of Warcraft.
I posted a picture of myself on the Post pictures of yourself thread a while back. (My hair is about that long again, now.)

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Originally Posted by Mindraker

Just out of curiosity, when you say, "biker", do you mean "motorbiker" or "bicyclist"?

BTW, excellent work, everyone. Keep it up!

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Motor Biker. Black leather, scruffy beard, etc... Pretty archetypical, I think.

Ok, so here is what I came up with. I focused on the memory of your picture and you being near the East coast as I went to sleep. I did have a dream in which you told me the password. Of course logic suggests it is most likely just an auto-suggestion dream, but who knows. I will only make this one attempt at it, unless a really profound dream comes up. I would be pleased if the word or the related concepts I will list are even slightly correct. I don't want to randomly guess each day, unless I know this quess is wrong, so I will stick with this.

The word was literally "balustrade." However the imagery, the dream you gave could have represented a ccouple other words which I will list in a moment. Here is the definition I just found for balustrade.

A baluster — also called spindle or stair stick — is a moulded shaft, square or of lathe-turned form, one of various forms of spindle in woodwork, made of stone or wood and sometimes of metal,[1] standing on a unifying footing, and supporting the coping of a parapet or the handrail (banister) of a staircase. Multiplied in this way, they form a balustrade.[2]

In the image they were clearly running along the top of a battelment of some kind, so I also feel the word may be something like the ones that follow. Tower, fort, castle, crenellation.


It would be too cool if I got it correct, but if I am wrong it would not be the least bit of a shock, as the challenge is not only shared dreaming. The challenge also involves doing it with someone who I have never met or spoken with, who is not specifically looking for me. Still, it was fun, and I am suprised I had a dream about it, even though in all likelihood it was just an auto-suggestion dream. Thanks ffor hosting this, and I will be interested to see the results.

Me likey this idea...My main lucid goal right now is flying to thomas square in hawaii and Im sure that will be an interesting experience.

One of my dreams this morning involved a cathedral. The bible college I went to was originally a catholic seminary. The chapel is beautiful and has some very rare stained glass.
This is what the buildings look like
Rome of the West: Photos of Old Saint Stanislaus Seminary
I cant find I picture of the inside but it was very beautiful when it was first constructed.

In my dream, I went inside the building to walk upstairs into the chapel but one of my professors said I wasnt allowed inside. I wasnt a student anymore so I couldnt go in. I couldnt even see the altar area because there were people in the way. I saw a friend but she didnt notice me...
Ive also had a dream in a catholic church about doctor who pointing the empire state building at me...

anyways, sounds like a fun experiment and I am about to begin my IOSDP experience. :)

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Originally Posted by Chimpertainment

In my dream, I went inside the building to walk upstairs into the chapel but one of my professors said I wasnt allowed inside. I wasnt a student anymore so I couldnt go in. I couldnt even see the altar area because there were people in the way. I saw a friend but she didnt notice me...

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How odd! One of my more vivid dreams from last night involved my wifes brother who wants to be a pastor. In the dream he took us inside a church when it was closed, but we got kicked out and he got in trouble, because we were not allowed in there.