PLEASE READ, hard to describe-keeps happening, what is it?!?

[themindsi]

Does this happen to anyone else? -- Sometimes when I'm very tired and laying in bed or wherever, I'll want to turn the tv off, or put my book down. I'll have my eyes closed and as I'm thinking that's what I want to do, I actually think that I've DONE it. For example, yesterday I went to take a nap and was watching some movie and wanted to turn it off in order to begin WILD...the tv controller was a few feet away, I actually felt myself reach for it, push the button and lay back down...then my eyes bugged open as I heard the tv still on and saw the the controller laying exactly where I left it and my body in the same position. This happens to me ALL THE TIME! What is this??????? It's really eerie sometimes! Help me you guys!

[O-Nieronaut]

That sound like a type of false awakening. You have already fallen asleep when you try to turn off the TV. I sometimes wake up and go through my normal routine to get ready for work, head out the door, then wake up in my bed. It's realy frustrating having to repeat yourself like that. The problem is usualy one of sleep deprivation. You might try going to be earlier, or taking shorter notes through the night in your dream journal!

[jay dawg]

or maybe its like when i was trying wild once: i had the tv off but heard seinfeld on my TV! i was so out of it that i was like "woah dude why is my tv on" lol but then it finally dawned on me that it was HI/HS. cuz i think i even looked over at the tv and saw it was on! i saw seinfeld! amazing i know.... yeah maybe we had FAs or something

[themindsi]

Hmmm...good thinking, I can see the wheels a' turnin...but....I really don't think these are F/A's. The reason I don't think these are F/A's is because I know I haven't fallen asleep yet! It has got to be something that we can figure out! I'm hoping more people see this thread and somebody has had a similar experience. Jay- The only thing was I wasn't yet trying to WILD. I was just kinda watching tv and getting sleepy, a commercial came on and i close my eyes for just a few seconds. Have you had any experiences where something similar happened when you were not mentally trying to WILD?

[O-Nieronaut]

There have been times that I had lain down to sleep, closed my eyes, and immediately opened them again, only to find a had slept an entire night! Again this is a sign of sleep deprivation. I had no idea I had fallen asleep, because I was not conscious of the transition. Chances are, you drifted into sleep, as you would with a WILD, but unintentionaly. You attempted to turn off the TV, but since you had entered the dream state, your physical body was already paralysed. Your mind then seamlessly fabricated the illusion that you turned off the TV in order to satisfy your couscious effort. This is pretty common, in my experience. It's like some peoples' experience with a Nova Dreamer. There is a button on the mask to push if it starts flashing before you fall asleep. It disables the flash function for about ten minutes so that you have a chance to fall asleep. Many users reported a malfunction of the button, but it was soon discovered that they had already fallen asleep, and obviously their dream hand couldn't push the actual button. They should simply remove the mask and carry on with their dream.

[themindsi]

Originally posted by O'Nieronaut Chances are, you drifted into sleep, as you would with a WILD, but unintentionaly. You attempted to turn off the TV, but since you had entered the dream state, your physical body was already paralysed. Your mind then seamlessly fabricated the illusion that you turned off the TV in order to satisfy your couscious effort. Hmm...that does seem like a pretty plausible explanation. I was wondering myself if I had done an unintentional WILD. Thanks for the information and the refferal to cases with the Nova Dreamer, O'Nieronaut!! I still would like to hear more responses though, as I'm still not 100% positive that this is the case. I'm interested in seeing if anybody else who views this post has had a similar experience as well.

[polio vaccine]

Originally posted by O'Nieronaut There have been times that I had lain down to sleep, closed my eyes, and immediately opened them again, only to find a had slept an entire night! Aww man, I get the exact same thing. I always "wake up" feeling just as tired as ever. When I was little I was convinced it was time travel.

[themindsi]

Originally posted by polio vaccine Aww man, I get the exact same thing. I always \"wake up\" feeling just as tired as ever. When I was little I was convinced it was time travel. lol! That's happened to me a few times. I don't like it! It's kinda scary!

[jay dawg]

Originally posted by themindsi Hmmm...good thinking, I can see the wheels a' turnin...but....I really don't think these are F/A's. The reason I don't think these are F/A's is because I know I haven't fallen asleep yet! It has got to be something that we can figure out! I'm hoping more people see this thread and somebody has had a similar experience. Jay- The only thing was I wasn't yet trying to WILD. I was just kinda watching tv and getting sleepy, a commercial came on and i close my eyes for just a few seconds. Have you had any experiences where something similar happened when you were not mentally trying to WILD? YES! when i started to try WILDs, out of nowhere they would, and still do, start even when im not trying! especially if im stoned and listening to some music. if i lay down and just chill, i may see HI or feel vibrations.

[themindsi]

same for me! it's true though, for some processes it is easier to do it without consciously thinking about it. As with right now, if I consciously tried to think about each letter I was pressing on the keyboard I will inneviatably make many typos and errors. I think we may have found a link with WILD's.

[yayotters]

this has happened to me before. when i was in elementary school when i would wake up, i would begin to fall back asleep and dream that i was actually getting up, getting my clothes on, etc. Also last year in school,if i fell asleep during class, i would think i was still awake and doing whatever it was before i fell asleep.

[O-Nieronaut]

The strangest story I have ever heard about an experience like that happened to a friend of my parents. He was in law school at the time, and reading Calos Castenedas and using various hallucenogens. He woke up one morning, late for class, and went about getting ready: shower, dressing, eating, etc... He was on his way out the door when he realized he had forgotten his books, so he ran upstairs, into his bedroom, grabbed his books off the dest, turned and ... saw himself lying in bed. He was so startled that he dropped his books on the floor. the sound of the books hitting the frool woke him up, and there they were, right where he had dropped them! You don't have to belive me, but I belive him.

[yayotters]

quite interesting.......out of body experience?with interaction with the physical plane? , that would surely be something creepy/interesting to experience. I in all ways beleive you. (not trying to be sarcastic, just they way it sounded...=/)

[Leo Volont]

Yes... the way it happens to me is that I'll have the hypnogogic experience of going to the bathroom, but when I notice that there is no actual relief, then I finally really do stir up enough to get my lazy butt up to actually go to the bathroom. There is not really anything very eerie about it.

[Lucius]

When somebody meditates or relaxes in a different way, and starts using visualisation techniques you can practically imagine anything and this might turn into strong images and even ones you can smell and feel for example. I think when you are really tired you are relaxing and doing this subconsciously perhaps? Its basically a more advanced form of basic imagination Nothing to be afraid off, some people do it consciously to practice their meditation.

[Raven]

Might be sleep paralysis, anything can be felt during SP....

[dreamphoenix]

Sometimes right before I go to sleep I'll play around with my imagination. Right before I drift off the things I imagine begin to seem extreemly real. When you try it on pourpose it can be pretty fun. It sounds like that might be what your going through. Infact, it might even help some people acheive WILD. But I'm no expert. lol