Thread: So I'm trying to Astral Project.

I tried many times to achieve an OBE whilst awake but i found that it just gave me a headache. I came close a couple of times, once I was so close to leaving my body i felt surrounded by a white light and was rushing upwards...then i realised i wasnt breathing and snapped back down to earth gasping for breath...i just posted a message in the lucid dreaming experiences forum about my own experience of the one time i actually astrally projected which i did by first getting a lucid dream and then attempting to leave my body whilst still alseep. I think this method is far easier that trying whislt your awake.

after reading this thread i am pretty confident that i have had an astral projection. all the posts about floating up to the ceiling, and the vibrations and the rush of energy and floating there, it was soo real. I thought it was just a WILD, how can one tell the difference between a dream and an OOBE, or are they the same?

Congratulations, you win the month-old-topic-revival award!

Month old eh? Im amazed I could read it for dust.

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Originally posted by ShadowNightWing@
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A tired body is not truely a problem, a tired mind is. A tired body might actually help. Try projecting from meditation, it works much better then when laying down. But that only works if you have suficient meditation skills, but I wouldnt recommend astral projection if you cannot yet succeed, at, lets say, WILD.

Lucius is right this is True.. Take it slow guys and like Lucius said a tired mind would utimately decrease your Results, and having a tired body would more than likely help, since Most OBE's result from a form of Sleep Paralysis.

Yes, you both are right.. I really meant to say tired mind... a tired body is easy to relax, a tired mind will zonk right out. I still haven't been successful but then again, haven't really tried either. I'm still concerned with all the warnings I've been reading about. One you go out you will never come back the same...

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I completely disagree to the statement that talks about not attempting to Project if one is not sucessful with a Wil for example, sorry fellas but your creating boundaries and limits that dont exist. what people can and can't do is set by them, only them. Sure some experience and knowledge would help, but by no means does it mean i can Astral if im not a regular LD.

I havn't had an LD yet and ive projected outside my body once recently. I can now trance and deeply meditate at will any night i feel fit, the great thing n00bs should realize is it's up to them!!

But the tired body part is true, it helps with becoming relaxed so i agree

If Astral Projecting was dangerous it would all be in the news. But it's not. So bah, humbug. You can't get hurt while Projecting whatsoever. Not a sasuage.

well im gonna keep this going with a question: do i need any sleep at all to do an AP?? its very interesting and id like to try it sometime, hopefully over the weekend.

btw, why is it that younger people apparantly have more difficult with these kinds of things? *im 15 btw*

Originally posted by Death&#045;Wuad
well im gonna keep this going with a question: do i need any sleep at all to do an AP?? its very interesting and id like to try it sometime, hopefully over the weekend. *

btw, why is it that younger people apparantly have more difficult with these kinds of things? *im 15 btw*

I would say it had something to do with a shorter attention span although I dont think younger people really do have more difficulty with AP, the trick to AP (in my opinion) is being able to shut out all the thoughts that distract you from the goal of entering a meditative state and leaving the body. As you get older the amount of stresses and things to worry about will probably make it more difficult to switch off.
About 2 years ago i found it very easy to enter a relaxed state and begin the first stages of an OOBE but since moving out, going to university and having to fend for myself I find it a lot more difficult.
Hope that doesnt sound patronising, it wasnt meant to be I hate when people tell me how much more important and difficult their lives are just because they were born a few years earlier than me

i completely understand how everybody has their problems, but i wasnt thinking about how stress effects the person, but more about how the brain works. what i do know is that a young person's brain does not have emotional inhibitors, which is why the words "moody teenager" come in to mind. and what i mean by emotional inhibitor is that the difference between a teenagers brain and a 35 year old's brain is that the teen's brain can quickly change emotions, while the 35 year old will often have the same emotional state throughout the day (this of course depends on the emotion + the intensity of it though)

Yes, I expect younger + older people differnate in Astral Projection difficulty. When shown pictures of people portraying emotions, the adults identified all of them as 'fear' (correctly). The teenagers identified all of them wrong, believing they were shocked, upset, etc.

Originally posted by Kaniaz
Yes, I expect younger + older people differnate in Astral Projection difficulty. When shown pictures of people portraying emotions, the adults identified all of them as 'fear' (correctly). The teenagers identified all of them wrong, believing they were shocked, upset, etc.

...idiots.

Heheh I saw that program too.

hmmmm as i sit here and read these new things i never knew had names... but yet have done.. thinking i was just insane. but i have never done these things at will. {tips up a budlight}

according to what u say about body being tired... im a perfect canidate at this time for it.

1 thing that tends to happen to me quiet often while trying to see images {this is what i did beofre i knew about what i learned tonight} is that i would consintrate on my breathing then images would appear and my body would get this feeling as if u had intense static around u. while ether seeing images or feeling myself lift up my breathing would seem to be as if it stopped but not bother me. as soon as i notice i would go back to being n my bed tired. and i could hear me breath again and feel it. very odd. im going to read up on some more stuff before i pass out for the night.

Looks like you may be a natural Astral Projector. Hone your raw skill into something great - a good place to start would be with these two guides, which document Astral Projection very comprehensively (I think these should be mentioned somewhere in this forum as a sticky perhaps, because they aren't known very well but are the best references for this subject):

[url=http://www.astralpulse.com/downloads/downloads.htm]
[url=http://www30.brinkster.com/altairmax/db/articles/oobe/do_obe.pdf]

Both require Acrobat Reader.

All it takes is a lot of discipline. Practice every night and it'll become easy as pie. IN HELL, HAHAHAH. Err, yeah.

It came natural to me you know like real easy

It can become extremely easy for anyone to do, the elements of projection are not that hard.

Some people are just lucky to be able to enter trance easily and such.

By the way, I am so close now, I can feel it. Concious projection from waking...

I'm gonna do it.

For me, I can fall into deep, deep trance very easily and I sometimes fall into it while I'm awake. Since I've been practicing it's strange, I naturally fall into concious trance when I'm trying to go to sleep. But a benefit of trance work is it gets you a little extra sleep each time you do it so you feel refreshed.

My only problem is deep physical relaxation. You see, the first time I got vibrations and gained astral sight was when I was actually asleep and partially waking up. The problem was, is I couldn't figure out how to exit my body. I thought that you had to ACTUALLY TRY to move your body. Moving in the projected body is ENTIRELY with thought.

*claps*. When you manage it, enlighten us with a descrption of the Astral realm. While it's nice to read it in a book or whatever, a descrption from somebody on these forums would be very nice too.

Yeah because books cna't answer specific questions

Here is "instructions" I read off a website:

Step one: *

Relax the body. According to Monroe, \"the ability to relax is the first prerequisite, perhaps even the first step itself\" to having an OBE. (out of body experience) This includes both physical and mental relaxation. Monroe does not suggest a method of attaining this relaxation, although progressive muscle relaxation, coupled with deep breathing exercises (inhale 1, exhale 2, inhale 3.... until 50 or 100) are known to work well. *

Step two: *

Enter the state bordering sleep. This is known as the hypnagogic state. Once again, Monroe doesn't recommend any method of doing this. One way is to hold your forearm up, while keeping your upper arm on the bed, or ground. As you start to fall asleep, your arm will fall, and you will awaken again. With practice, you can learn to control the Hypnagogic state without using your arm. Another method is to concentrate on an object. When other images start to enter your thoughts, you have entered the Hypnagogic state. Passively watch these images. This will also help you maintain this state of near-sleep. Monroe calls this Condition A. *

Step three: *

Deepen this state. Begin to clear your mind. observe your field of vision through your closed eyes. Do nothing more for a while. Simply look through your closed eyelids at the blackness in front of you. After a while, you may notice light patterns. These are simply neural discharges. They have no specific effect. Ignore them. When they cease, one has entered what Monroe calls Condition B. *

From here, one must enter an even deeper state of relaxation which Monroe calls Condition C-- a state of such relaxation that you lose all awareness of the body and sensory stimulation. You are almost in a void in which your only source of stimulation will be your own thoughts. The ideal state for leaving your body is Condition D. This is Condition C when it is voluntarily induced from a rested and refreshed condition and is not the effect of normal fatigue. To achieve Condition D, Monroe suggests that you practice entering it in the morning or after a short nap. *

Step Four: *

Enter a state of vibration. This is the most important part of the technique, and also the most vague. Many projectors have noted these vibrations at the onset of projection. They can be experienced as a mild tingling, or as is electricity is being shot through the body. Their cause is a mystery. It may actually be the astral body trying to leave the physical one. For entering into the vibrational state, he offers the following directions: *

1. Remove all jewelry or other items that might be touching your skin. *

2. Darken the room so that no light can be seen through your eyelids, but do not shut out all light. *

3. Lie down with your body along a north-south axis, with your head pointed toward magnetic north. *

4. Loosen all clothing, but keep covered so that you are slightly warmer than might normally be comfortable. *

5. Be sure you are in a location where, and at a time when, there will be absolutely no noise to disturb you. *

6. Enter a state of relaxation *

7. Give yourself the mental suggestion that you will remember all that occurs during the upcoming session that will be beneficial to your well-being. Repeat this five times. *

8. Proceed to breath through your half-open mouth. *

9. As you breath, concentrate on the void in front of you. *

10. Select a point a foot away from your forehead, then change your point of mental reference to six feet. *

11. Turn the point 90 degrees upward by drawing an imaginary line parallel to your body axis up and above your head. Focus there and reach out for the vibrations at that point and bring them back into your body. *

Even if you don't know what these vibrations are, you will know when you have achieved contact with them. *

Step five: *

Learn to control the vibrational state. Practice controlling them by mentally pushing them into your head, down to your toes, making them surge throughout your entire body, and producing vibrational waves from head to foot. To produce this wave effect, concentrate of the vibrations and mentally push a wave out of your head and guide it down your body. Practice this until you can induce these waves on command. Once you have control of the vibrational state, you are ready to leave the body. *

Step six: *

Begin with a partial seperation. The key here is thought control. Keep your mind firmly focused on the idea of leaving the body. Do not let it wander. Stray thought might cause you to lose control of the state. Now, having entered the vibrational state, begin exploring the OBE by releasing a hand or a foot of the \"second body\". *

Monroe suggests that you extend a limb until it comes in contact with a familiar object, such as a wall near your bed. Then push it through the object. Return the limb by placing it back into coincidence with the physical one, decrease the vibrational rate, and then terminate the experiment. Lie quietly until you have fully returned to normal. This exercise will prepare you for full seperation. *

Step seven: *

Disassociate yourself from the body. Monroe suggests two methods for this. One method is to lift out of the body. To do this, think about getting lighter and lighter after entering this vibrational state. Think about how nice it would be to float upward. Keep this thought in mind at all costs and let no extraneous thoughts interrupt it. An OBE will occur naturally at this point. *

Another method is the \"rotation method\" or \"roll-out\" technique. When you have achieved the vibrational state, try to roll over as if you were turning over in bed. Do not attempt to roll over physically. Try to twist your body from the top and virtually roll over into your second body right out of your physical self. At this point, you will be out of the body but next to it. Think of floating upward, and you should find yourself floating above the body. Monroe suggests you begin with the lift-out method, but argues that both are equally efficacious. *
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Originally posted by ShadowNightWing


Most OBE's result from a form of Sleep Paralysis.

Maybe the brain have much serotonin "build up" in this cases.
Just my thought.

Originally posted by wer
Here is \"instructions\" I read off a website:

Step Four: *

Enter a state of vibration. This is the most important part of the technique, and also the most vague. Many projectors have noted these vibrations at the onset of projection. They can be experienced as a mild tingling, or as is electricity is being shot through the body. Their cause is a mystery. It may actually be the astral body trying to leave the physical one. For entering into the vibrational state, he offers the following directions: *

1. Remove all jewelry or other items that might be touching your skin. *

2. Darken the room so that no light can be seen through your eyelids, but do not shut out all light. *

3. Lie down with your body along a north-south axis, with your head pointed toward magnetic north. *

4. Loosen all clothing, but keep covered so that you are slightly warmer than might normally be comfortable. *

5. Be sure you are in a location where, and at a time when, there will be absolutely no noise to disturb you. *

6. Enter a state of relaxation *

7. Give yourself the mental suggestion that you will remember all that occurs during the upcoming session that will be beneficial to your well-being. Repeat this five times. *

8. Proceed to breath through your half-open mouth. *

9. As you breath, concentrate on the void in front of you. *

10. Select a point a foot away from your forehead, then change your point of mental reference to six feet. *

11. Turn the point 90 degrees upward by drawing an imaginary line parallel to your body axis up and above your head. Focus there and reach out for the vibrations at that point and bring them back into your body. *

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right about here, is where i say "well i'll be a sob! " the other night i had a realy interesting experience that i will never forget. i even told work about it the next day... they looked at me like i was crazy or something and discontinued the knowledge i just told them...
but ne ways, i was dreaming and then got woken suddenly and looked out my window then laid back down. once i closed my eyes, my ears had a static ring to it i wasn't sure what it was... and i thought it could be a WILD but then i felt pure electricty start from my ears and ingulfed my body n matter of a sec or 2. i refused to open eyes and laid still concentrating... for 5-10 sec it faded away and almost as quickly as it left, i heard it again n my ears and went through my body again. so instead i treid to continue the dream i was having{i have had such bad reall for 2 months now.... } from this point i believe i dreamt but don't remember what happened.... to funny u mention lay north and south.. cause 2 months ago i changed the way i slept n my bed i dunno but all i can do for now is humbly before u lol