Thread: OBE via LD

Hey Legend,

well, I'm not one to really believe in OBE's simply for the fact that I have not experienced one myself and have never "seen" the proof of it. However, I will soon be attending a "camp" in which, along with studies in lucid dreaming, we will also be tapping into the realm of the remote viewing which you mention. I wasn't really too interested in this portion of the program, but I have read a little on McMoneagle and did not know of this confirmed experiment. I now look forward to it.

Will let you know if I "learn" anything.

Hello Legend,

Legend writes: I recently experienced a similar anomaly myself, and was curious if anyone else has. [/b]

Please do elaborate!

Robert Monroe's writings were some of the first which helped me to put things into perspective regarding OBE/LD. By the way, how did you manage to meet Mr. Joe McMoneagle? Interesting

I have had OBE experiences validated by remotely viewing an object. On the occasions I accomplished this task, I did so with another individual. Meaning, they would select a random object and set it on display in their environment.

I was always told, in general terms, where the object would be located - i.e., in the bedroom on a table, on a window sill by the door, etc. On the first few occasions, I could enter their environment, but somehow projected my own imagery into such, and hence, could not locate the object.

I discovered that I needed to restrain my own imagery during OBE, so that it did not "overlay" the environment which I was viewing. Easier said than done. It took quite a duration before I could manage such restraint.

I then was able to enter the environment and view the object, but another difficulty presented itself. I could ascertain the properties of the object and general qualities - such as color, texture, usage, and shape. But, I could not right-out name the object itself. Again, I was frustrated and realized that I was trying to over analyze the object.

Finally, and this has only occurred on 3 occasions - I was able to view the object and report my finding, accurately. Very interestingly, to me, on those occasions, I was able to ascertain the object prior to the visit. Meaning, "on the way" to the environment. Then, upon reaching the object, I validated my own perception.

I never expected this to occur, but it led me to believe that in addition to the applications of OBE and Remote Viewing, that Psychometry comes into play with these tasks. But, this again, is only my opinion from my personal experience.

If you are interested in testing your ability to Remote View via OBE, I believe http://apsabre.com/ provides a community of individuals who do just that.

~Deja

Remote viewing through OBE... hell.. to me that sounds like doing pyrokinesis while levitating through a hoop of fire.

The OBE is already a huge step for me

Hello, and Sincerest Thanks, Deja ~

Deja Said: Please do elaborate![/b]

As best as my currently sleep-deprived mind can offer, during some experimentation in a recent LD, I perceived myself to be in a University environment. After a failed attempt at a temporal movement command, I thought it best to ascertain whether I had actually achieved a spatial movement, and began noting architectural features of the environment for possible correlation with later feedback.

I did manage to decipher some identifying lettering which I managed to interpret as \"SDSU\", and shortly thereafter made my way to a cafeteria area with a peculiar layout including an attached market. If I had been in standard Remote Viewing protocol, I would have had to have considered it my most productive session to date.

Upon awakening, I researched the only two Universities which could possibly fit the acronym, and discovered that South Dakota State University's cafeteria was a direct match (including the attached market) to my LD experience.

(And for those suggesting that I had only precogged my later viewing of the University's photographic feedback, one would then have to assume a successful temporal movement to the future point of viewing the cafeteria photo).

Deja also asked: Robert Monroe's writings were some of the first which helped me to put things into perspective regarding OBE/LD. By the way, how did you manage to meet Mr. Joe McMoneagle? Interesting Smile[/b]

I was one of the fortunate few able to attend the only workshop I've ever heard of him offering since his retirement; at the Rhine Research Center, in February of this year, and we worked 29 targets together over three days. (And, on a pleasantly personal note, Joe actually married Dr. Munroe's stepdaughter, the wonderful Nancy ["Scooter"] McMoneagle nee Munroe). I can't say enough good things about either - truly inspiring!.

As for your own Remote Viewing experiences, I can only say that I am deeply impressed with your ability. Of course I cannot say whether or not you are "classically trained", but it's completely irrelevant as it is quite obvious that you are a superbly gifted "natural" (as Joe would say).

BTW, your mention of "imagery overlay" fits the clinical definition of "Analytical Overlay" in RV parlance, and I am deeply intrigued with your three "best of class" occasions involving data reception enroute, or "on the way" as you called it. (Something I myself am not unfamiliar with in my own RV).

I am intently curious about your associating Psychometry as a crucial amplifier of data reception, and if its not apropos to this thread, I would be profoundly grateful if you could elaborate upon it in a PM.

Finally; alas, the link you were kind enough to offer is non-functional, and I can find no google listing for apsabre.com anywhere. Might there be another route to this resource for RV via OBE that you recommended?

Fascinating Discourse,
Legend

P.S. While only half-way through your writing on vibrational metaphysics, I am absolutely spellbound with it. Are you familiar with Bell's Theorem (on Non-Locality)? Fits perfectly into your tachyon postulate.

Originally posted by Placebo
Remote viewing through OBE... hell.. to me that sounds like doing pyrokinesis while levitating through a hoop of fire.

The OBE is already a huge step for me

So is it possible to RV through a LD? At least I can read books in them!!

Of course it is nesgirl... and if anyone can do it, my money's on you!

Just try to remember that what scientists call "RV in LD" is more like "OBE in LD"... a simple disembodiment of consciousness in a Lucid Dream. (and I can see Plethora's dilemma - as in: "wouldn't the consciousness already be considered "disembodied" by the LD itself?... curiouser and curiouser, indeed).

Sweet (Lucid) Dreams,
Legend

Originally posted by Legend
Of course it is nesgirl... and if anyone can do it, my money's on you! * *

Just try to remember that what scientists call \"RV in LD\" is more like \"OBE in LD\"... a simple disembodiment of consciousness in a Lucid Dream. (and I can see Plethora's dilemma - as in: \"wouldn't the consciousness already be considered \"disembodied\" by the LD itself?... curiouser and curiouser, indeed).

Sweet (Lucid) Dreams,
Legend

Of course, but if they are not la ciencia ficcions, they kind of look digital if I am doing that (since I have Nintendo on the brain!)...but the only types I have ever read a book in are la ciencia ficcions.

Hello Legend,

Have you made any progress with your Remote Viewing?

~Deja

Hello Deja!

My Remote Viewing (while awake) is still rock-solid... it's getting into Lucidity to take her for a spin that's proving a little tricky!

My record to date is 7 days between LD's being narrowed to five days between, but the last two ended in full awakening upon realizing lucidity.

I have been vigorously experimenting with your WILD techniques and the saltcube timer, and LaBerge's methodology as well, but with little to show for it yet, unfortunately. (although that may be a little harsh... it's only been a couple of days, and I'm due for another LD soon, according to my journal).

But, thankfully, this is something that I can't tell you how badly I want, so it's still "full throttle" till I get it right. My goal is to WILD my way into them, and I have every intention of succeeding.

I should also say that I am greatly indebted to you for all your gracious sharing and kind personal help. You're a real gem.

Thank You,
Legend

Hello Legend,

There is a Remote Viewing Contest here which you may wish to try:
http://www.saltcube.com/out-of-body/chat-f...Topic.jsp?t=rv9

At the aforementioned link, they post occasional "contests" ......no prize, just bragging rights. Although most people at that site use OBE to intuit, you can post using your own methodology. Also, you do not have to register to post - you can reply as anonymous.

It sounds as if employing various methods for LD may be holding you back, somewhat. If you can, try using one method for at least 5 to 7 sessions before moving on to the next. I know this is very difficult when you have a strong desire to LD and "take her for a spin," as you said.

Consistency always matters, but it's paramount when the quest for LD begins. I might suggest focusing on WILD and going no further until you experience some vibrational or HI gestalt. If you decide to keep a Dream Journal, detailing the WILD technique you're using along with your result (or lack of one), I could take a peek and see if any variable might need fine tuning.

~Deja

Thanks so much, Deja...

I'm going to start an OBE journal here, and I'd gladly welcome any insights you could offer. (WILD is definitely my method choice).

BTW, I found that saltcube contest, and mentioned it favorably in my own RV'ing circles. I also believe that "RV" is a misnomer when it comes to using it in LD's... it is definitely OBE, and a major evolution in the matter, to say the least.

I look forward to hearing from you,
Legend

Originally posted by Legend
Thanks so much, Deja...

I'm going to start an OBE journal here, and I'd gladly welcome any insights you could offer. (WILD is definitely my method choice).

BTW, I found that saltcube contest, and mentioned it favorably in my own RV'ing circles. I also believe that \"RV\" is a misnomer when it comes to using it in LD's... it is definitely OBE, and a major evolution in the matter, to say the least.

I look forward to hearing from you,
Legend

You can actually do that in your regular DJ, seeing how I get away w/putting in precs, DSing, & _____. See for yourself, or you can put the experiences in my DJ...(I really don't care!)

Originally posted by Legend
I also believe that \"RV\" is a misnomer when it comes to using it in LD's... it is definitely OBE, and a major evolution in the matter, to say the least.

Hello,

I am glad to hear you note this. Although LD can be obverse to OBE, when it comes to RV via OBE...there is no mistaking that LD doesn't exactly "fit the bill" for the endeavor.

I look forward to reading your journal.

Smiles,
Deja

Once I did this, many years ago. I was using Monroes methods (i think at the time I was reading a book called jounrneys out of the body). Basically I was living in one part of town and my girlfreind at the time in another. She had trouble believing that I was doing OBE's, so to test it we organised for her to leave an object in a certain place over night and I would tell her the following day what that object was. The next day I told her what the object was. Obviously this spum her right out! But now many years later I reckon this more of an LD expereince... I recon our minds have huge capacity to do things we have no idea about. Maybe we all have the ability to see things... we just dont know how to do it. I now recon that example was my subconsious mind knowing what the object would be and demonstrating this through a LD. Whose to say people doing these expereinces are merly perceiving that that are physcially leaving their body to seek out information.... when in actual fact that are just projecting their own minds ability into a LD in a form in which they can interpret????

Oh MAN!
Legend...I described something familiar (?) to what you are saying, seconds before reading your story above...
Read it please...
However the movement through time was backwards...to the past....I had to save someone...
http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic....p=214521#214521

Hi White_Light,

Well, it's only taken me four months to reply, but I hope you see this all the same.

To answer your question, YES, "time movements" are not only possible in RV/LD/OBE's, but were part of the established protocols developed by the Defense Intelligence Agency's 19-year "Project Stargate" program.

Viewers repeatedly provided data on "targets" that didn't correlate to real-time facts on the ground, but only came to fruition many years later (i.e. - a description of what was then a vacant lot included detailed drawings of an office complex that wouldn't be erected until some twenty years later).

Your sojourn through your medieval landscape could very well have been some portal into the location's Middle Ages times.

All the Best to You,
Legend