Thread: OBE attainment from waking state

you can believe in OBEs and be antispirit. just imagine yourself as projecting into your mind as it perceives the world around you as psychic energy. thats real

same goes for people who think DEMONDS help people move stuff mentally, when its really just mental psychic energy. this stuff is not antiscience. people who really dont understand things tend to turn to superstition.

Originally posted by jay dawg
you can believe in OBEs and be antispirit. just imagine yourself as projecting into your mind as it perceives the world around you as psychic energy. thats real

same goes for people who think DEMONDS help people move stuff mentally, when its really just mental psychic energy. this stuff is not antiscience. people who really dont understand things tend to turn to superstition.

I don't want to start off a big discussion but it has never been scientifically proven that "mental energy" can have influence on the physical universe. Telekinesis hasn't been proven to work in serious research. And OBEs mostly make the experiencer perceive things that are different from physical reality. If mind had power over matter it would be a rule - a general possibility - and it would have been discovered thousands of years ago - and mastered in such a way that nowadays we wouldn't need to work physically because we could do everything with our minds.

I go out of body somewhat regularly, as I'm falling asleep. Also, you have more than two bodies. At least three, but I speculate six, (8-3+1). Yes, I do think the best way is to experience it for yourself.

Here's my take on what is happening:
First, your heart is an electric dipole, you can think of it as an magnet that pulls all your bodies together. It takes energy to create th is electric force, and at night, you go into a powersaving state that allows you to recharge for the next day. This is when the heart is resting and the attraction is considerably less. This is when you can come out of body with ease. All you have to do is stay away mentally while your body physically falls asleep.

I hope this helps, good luck with the OBEs.

When I started to study OBEs and Meditate and regularly tried to achieve this state, I really started to believe in my capacity to transcend the physical. When you think about humanity's place in the universe of random bursts of energy and matter. The only truth to be found is through our individual means. Personal truth is the only relevant truth. OBE is the exploration of reality while religion is the negation, because the universe is then set imbetween certain constraints according to a text or ideology.

I have come across a lot of references to out of body experiences on this site. I don't really know much about the process, although I think I understand the mental state. Is there really a technique one can practice and achieve this state while awake? What exactly happens? Like, do you sit on your couch in a waking state, begin a mental practice, and end up experiencing something that can actually be mistaken for a lucid dream? Is there any possibility that the participant goes to sleep and starts dreaming?

I ask this because I don't believe in souls. I think we are just brains that end up dying, and that's it. So the idea that a soul actually leaves the body is hard for me to swallow, though my mind is definitely open to the idea. If I could be convinced that I have an immortal soul, and that there are no evil forces to fear after death, then I would be the giddiest tap dancing clown on Earth. [/b]

i dont understand why you are suggesting that an OBE means you have to accept an immortal soul. I believe OBEs and Lucid Dreams are slightly differant yet in the same family of experiance and i dont believe in an immortal soul...that isnt a requisit for treating the experiances differantly.

Iv attained the OBE state from meditation. i have no idea if i went to sleep or not but i can say i notice no loss in consciousness and a definate seperation is experianced from my body. That is to say the perspective is from that of an external viewer and its important to note that it is not simply a visual experiance of being seperate but that you feel yourself seperate at the time of seperation, upon return you also feel yourself "link back up" with your body. One time i didnt know i was even in an out of body experiance , i got up and went over to open my door to my bedroom and realized my hand was going through it and couldnt, i turned around and saw my body on the bed and upon seeing it was immediately yanked back really fast , felt myself link back up with the physical etc.

I also would like to comment on the notion you have that the OBE takes place in the brain or out of body....the OBE takes place in neither of these locations IMHO. The mind has absolutely no location and no properties, therefore it is wrong to say its in or out of body. this has been my experiance.

I'm certainly not suggesting that it is necessary to accept that there is an immortal soul. That's a dogma, something I've always been against. Applying one's own philosophy to someone else, or proselytizing.

Cogito ergo sum is what I believe, and I could care less whether or not I have an "immortal soul". Either case will do for me, and it is up to me to determine how to form the life I'm living now, rather than trying to find a some semblance of "redemption" through spiritual means.

oh Berserk, my appologies man i need to learn to quote people...i was actually talking to universal mind the original poster.

Originally posted by YourTheManNowDog

i dont understand why you are suggesting that an OBE means you have to accept an immortal soul. I believe OBEs and Lucid Dreams are slightly differant yet in the same family of experiance and i dont believe in an immortal soul...that isnt a requisit for treating the experiances differantly.

Iv attained the OBE state from meditation. i have no idea if i went to sleep or not but i can say i notice no loss in consciousness and a definate seperation is experianced from my body. That is to say the perspective is from that of an external viewer and its important to note that it is not simply a visual experiance of being seperate but that you feel yourself seperate at the time of seperation, upon return you also feel yourself \"link back up\" with your body. One time i didnt know i was even in an out of body experiance , i got up and went over to open my door to my bedroom and realized my hand was going through it and couldnt, i turned around and saw my body on the bed and upon seeing it was immediately yanked back really fast , felt myself link back up with the physical etc.

I also would like to comment on the notion you have that the OBE takes place in the brain or out of body....the OBE takes place in neither of these locations IMHO. The mind has absolutely no location and no properties, therefore it is wrong to say its in or out of body. this has been my experiance.

I wasn't saying OBE means you have to have an immortal soul. I was just laying down a few notions about it and asking for the opinions of others. As I said, I don't know much about it.

However, you did an excellent job of answering my question, and you have heightened my interest in OBE. Thanks.

Originally posted by YourTheManNowDog
oh Berserk, my appologies man i need to learn to quote people...i was actually talking to universal mind the original poster.

I need to learn how to interpret text apparently.