i hear this all the time, people saying its either in the body or out of the body. does either of these explanations make sense to you? It isnt anywhere outside of the body, at least not all the time. by the same token it doesnt make any sense to say that a dream is "in your head". There is no selfness or dreamness to a brain. This is usually where most people stop thinking about it...and even when they think about it they only deal with these two locations as possibilities...either in the body or out of the body. Those that claim it is out of the body are quick to mention dream meeting and clairvoyance etc...but does that mean you are going out of your body to do that? is that the only possible model? Those that claim it is in the body say well the brain shows dream activity and matching brain waves. what does that mean? does that mean that dreams lucid or otherwise are being "generated" from the brain? no it does not. "well you can hit the brain with a baseball bat and you go unconscious"...that is just as frivalous as the out of body argument. im continually haunted by the idea that there is no evidence for consciousness and yet it is the only real thing that exists. to say you truely know anything other than your consciousness is a lie, the only true thing you can know is your own mind and we have no evidence for it. do you think that nonlocality would somehow factor into consciousness or dreams and "where they are" in space?


i maintain that if AP, LD dreams whatever are out of body then someone would have won lotto by now . i also maintain that if dreams consciousness whatever was in the brain we would have found its mechanism already in this enlightened age. Its just frustrating walking through life being you and yet not knowing who that is or what your nature is.