OBE

**phoenelai** · 11-10-2005 06:48 PM

I've always been interested in the phenomenon of remote viewing, OBE & of course Lucidity.

The other night I had a dream that I was at a party with good friends of mine all who I knew from back in the days. So, being really tripped out about this I woke up really fast.
As I started to drift back to sleep I set intention to go lucid but enter the same dream. I thought if I could enter Lucidly I could do a trick and spin myself out of there and impress everyone. I entered the same house and the same people were there, I was lucid because the image came immediately. I told everyone to gather around that I was going to do a trick. I laid on the bed and started to lift up over the bed about 1ft and started spinning. As I started spinning their voices started fading and my vision
turned dark.

The point of this experiment was to Project back to my bedroom and view a psychic card I placed high on a shelf so I could see what this was. This really was there in the physical world because I did set this test up in my room for the next time I went Lucid. I ended up in something that looked like my room but not exactly. I floated to the top of the shelf and tried to view the card. It didnt look like anything from my cabinet. As I looked around, it didnt look like my room either. I concentrated harder and said Increase Lucidity now, Increase Clarity now! Went back to the top of the shelf again, not the
right place.

Additional Comments:
Although a very successful Lucid, the physical test of trying to view realtime objects was a failure. Even though I haven't experienced it myself, I think this is possible.

Stephen LaBerge at the lucidty Institue states: "A comparison of their reports
with the actual contents of the target room revealed, in all but a few cases, absolutely no indication of any correspondence whatsoever. In other words, in the great majority of these cases, there was no evidence supporting accurate OBE perception, nor for the validity of the subjects' convictions that they had actually left their bodies."
[From: Stephen LaBerge, (1985). LUCID DREAMING. New York:
Ballantine. ISBN 0-345-33355-1]

**nina** · 11-10-2005 08:08 PM

I've had many experiences that I thought were "OBEs" that were occurring in that transitional stage before you enter a lucid during WILD. I attempted to prove that I was really having OBEs but failed miserably. I don't want to write it all out again so here's from some previous posts.

Originally posted by Aquanina+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Aquanina)</div>

I have experienced EXACTLY what you have experienced....many many times!! No, you aren't crazy. Yes, those strange and almost frightening sensations are a result of sleep paralysis, and NO you aren't having OBEs. For awhile when I would be in that stage before wake and dreaming and those weird sensations would occur, I thought I would try to OBE and sit up, but usually experienced some resistance. One time I only could get my head up, another time I got all the way out of my body though I walked extremely awkwardly. I thought I was having OBEs, but after discusing this with someone who knows alot more than me about OBEs, I discovered that they are just FAKE OBEs, resulting from being in a trance-like state (similar to hypnosis state) before you begin to dream. In reality, OBEs only occur in your deepest sleep, where most people cannot sustain clarity or awareness and that's why people experience them during near-death experiences. So to sum things up...what's going on is normal and it sounds like you are well on your way to having some WILDs![/b]

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Oh and if you don't believe me, just try to prove it for yourself. I had a very simple technique for proving whether or not I was OBEing...

But yeah D.O. you are absolutely right. I was one of those people who thought I was experiencing OBEs this way until I tried to actually PROVE it by using a photo album. I would lay down and place the photo album on my nightstand and flip to a random page without looking. Then I would try to look at the photo during my \"OBE\" experience and would prove to the whole world that I WAS HAVING OBEs!!

Well let's see...one time the book wasn't even there. Other times I couldn't get my head to turn to look at the photo album...other times I would float up off my bed and would completely miss even a chance at looking at the photo. Then...this ONE TIME I was having an \"OBE\" and I remembered to look at the photo album...but instead...there was a 4 foot tall jack rabbit wearing prison stripes leaning over my bed, staring at me with this awful creepy grin. Reminds me of a character from Dark Wonderland (see my sig below). Anyway...think it MIGHT have been my subconsious saying...HEY DUMBASS!!! THESE ARE JUST DREAMS!!!!!!!!

Anyway, I let go of any though that I was experiencing obes. I hope that you guys who think you have experienced an OBE during light sleep, just try to prove it...for yourselves. And I hope you guys realize that real OBEs can only occur in the deepest stages of sleep, where few are truly able to become consious. I do believe that they exist, but I think ALOT of people are misguided about them. I have never had a real one.

Feel free to disagree all you want guys.

**phoenelai** · 11-10-2005 08:28 PM

Thanks for your post! I think I'm just having Lucids that appear to be OBE's, who knows. You have very nice pictures, you must be a model!

Talk soon!
phoen++

**nesgirl119** · 11-10-2005 08:30 PM

I don't think this counts, but I kind of have done the same thing.....except when I put a card inside a box & looked, it was the same...& I have done the same w/books (so has splash)....& I have actually learned to enjoy it...b/c I think it helps give me a jumpstart on my reading, so I don't have to read too much....
Still fake?

**phoenelai** · 11-10-2005 09:19 PM

Again, I wouldnt say this is false. Each person can have much success with OBE's, remote viewing etc. I havent been as lucky. If I were ever to correctly indentify one of the cards in a lucid, I couldnt begin to tell you how I excited I would be. I would like to turn LD's into this sort of work. If you can post any tips, it would be greatly appreciated!

Practice makes perfect!

phoen++++

**nesgirl119** · 11-10-2005 09:30 PM

Originally posted by phoenelai
Again, I wouldnt say this is false. Each person can have much success with OBE's, remote viewing etc. I havent been as lucky. If I were ever to correctly indentify one of the cards in a lucid, I couldnt begin to tell you how I excited I would be. I would like to turn LD's into this sort of work. If you can post any tips, it would be greatly appreciated!

Practice makes perfect!

phoen++++

Yeah, but once someone told me to do that, there was no turning back. I get excited, not b/c it is one, but I always get excited when I read like that..I kind of find it fun...but my favorite thing would definitely have to be going to the movies w/Cody (a friend of mine that can do the same), then going back & watching the movie in real time, & note that it is the same.
And I don't know if you were directing towards Nina, or me. You need to quote the person you are directing it towards!

**nina** · 11-10-2005 10:05 PM

Originally posted by phoenelai
You have very nice pictures, you must be a model!

HAHAHA! Ummm...no.

And nesgirl, it seems obvious to me that he responded to my post, and then responded to yours. He doesn't need to quote anyone really.

**nesgirl119** · 11-10-2005 11:36 PM

Originally posted by Aquanina

HAHAHA! Ummm...no.

And nesgirl, it seems obvious to me that he responded to my post, and then responded to yours. He doesn't need to quote anyone really.

Okay, I gotcha!

That is fine.....I was just wondering!

**phoenelai** · 11-11-2005 02:11 AM

Yeah I should quote, it will avoid confusion! Thanks everyone!

Nesgirl if you've done successful testing as you described you should tell the Lucidity Institute, they had LABS full of people who couldnt realtime remote view. They were put to sleep in a lab and were told to project to a room they've never been before and describe it. Most of them coudlnt do it. I think they would be interested in your findings!

**kimpossible** · 11-11-2005 03:25 AM

The trick then, Nes, is to have someone else put the card inside the box. Then leave.

Preferably a skeptical 3rd-party.

If using playing cards, you'll need the number and the suit. Get both of those say 5 of 7 times, and you'd be very wealthy...

**nesgirl119** · 11-11-2005 05:09 AM

Originally posted by kimpossible
The trick then, Nes, is to have someone else put the card inside the box. Then leave.

Preferably a skeptical 3rd-party.

If using playing cards, you'll need the number and the suit. Get both of those say 5 of 7 times, and you'd be very wealthy...

Another thing I should have mentioned earlier.....I am weak at reading comprehension....so I would need to check the book at least a little, but seriously, I have read books in waking life & had to read them over again when people ask questions. I might be able to tell a little (when I have read them whether in real time, or .....), but not too much, b/c I kind of have to memorize something b4 it sticks. Seeing it only once does very little..

Another thing.....the card I had I hadn't seen in years that I saw, so that was awesome..
And I will never go to an experiment lab....I would hate to be a lab rat, even if I got all the money in the world for it!!

.......Ramu & Seeker, I don\'t think I can do too much more of this

**kimpossible** · 11-11-2005 08:24 AM

I've told you before - it doesn't have to be in a lab.

**nesgirl119** · 11-11-2005 03:28 PM

Originally posted by kimpossible
I've told you before - it doesn't have to be in a lab.

Fine fine fine!
But I did it again! I picked a card, & did not look at it (except maybe a corner, which will not give too much detail), put it in a box, got up & looked at it, & went back to bed to LD, b/c I wanted to LD more!!

**phoenelai** · 11-11-2005 04:57 PM

This may require more advanced skills but have a friend leave a playing card face up on a table or dresser and see if you can project there while Lucid. I think if you did that even 3 out 5 times, that's excellent results. I didnt want you to go the Lucidity Institute, I thought it would be nice to post your findings. They would be very interested in the subject.

When I tried to project to my room, it was an incorrect "copy" of my room and my cabinet was totally wrong. Sometimes, It's better to never have been there so your mind doesnt try to create anything.

cheers!
phoen+

**nesgirl119** · 11-11-2005 05:00 PM

Originally posted by phoenelai
This may require more advanced skills but have a friend leave a playing card face up on a table or dresser and see if you can project there while Lucid. I think if you did that even 3 out 5 times, that's excellent results. I didnt want you to go the Lucidity Institute, I thought it would be nice to post your findings. They would be very interested in the subject.

When I tried to project to my room, it was an incorrect \"copy\" of my room and my cabinet was totally wrong. Sometimes, It's better to never have been there so your mind doesnt try to create anything.

cheers!
phoen+

There was one insident where my friend actually decorated a room while I was out flying around (& they thought I was asleep in bed & dreaming), & I saw that, & wondered. Then when I get up, it is the same....weird!!

So I have actually viewed my fair share of current events, even w/o wanting to...

**phoenelai** · 11-11-2005 05:31 PM

Are you talking about Lucids or OBEs or Lucids that are OBE's if that makes any sense?

**nesgirl119** · 11-11-2005 07:48 PM

Originally posted by phoenelai
Are you talking about Lucids or OBEs or Lucids that are OBE's if that makes any sense?

Depends on your point of view.....I have plenty of it recorded in my DJ, if you want to figure it out.

**phoenelai** · 11-11-2005 08:06 PM

I guess that was like asking one of the "questions of the Universe". We really don't have a way of determing this do we? Were you in a lucid dream when you did this? Were you just laying there and concentrating on your energy etc? Unfortunately I have know idea on how to go OBE from just laying not sleeping!

**nesgirl119** · 11-11-2005 08:13 PM

Originally posted by phoenelai
I guess that was like asking one of the \"questions of the Universe\". We really don't have a way of determing this do we? Were you in a lucid dream when you did this? Were you just laying there and concentrating on your energy etc? Unfortunately I have know idea on how to go OBE from just laying not sleeping!

Well, I do kind of compare those to LDs a bit more than I compare some LDs to other LDs....
Sometimes I do concentrate on my energy level, but most of the time, it is to try to WILD so I can sleep. This isn't always necessary, though. When it does happen though, & the dream imagery appears (& I am in the trans state, still slightly awake), that is when I take action, & I might try to do that!