messing with fate

**Howie** · 01-09-2006 12:38 AM

Let us say that for sake of discussion that precognitive dreaming does happen. Many claim it does to them. If it does, they could possibly do something about the future correct?

Well what if you happen to become lucid in a precognitive dream and begin to consciously medal with the circumstances.
Is that messing up your signal? Or perhaps could you find out by asking, Is this a precognitive dream?
Just some random thoughts

**Gus** · 01-09-2006 05:28 AM

doesnt matter, if it does happen like you messed with it, thats how it was going to happen

if it doesn't happen like that then you just translated it wrong

doesn't really matter because thats how it was meant to happen, so the whole concept you are portraying is irrelevant

**Night Wolf** · 01-09-2006 06:00 AM

The thing with precognitive dreams is that you wouldn't know it was precognitive until whatever happened in the dream happened in real life.

So, yeah, I don't think being lucid would affect the precognitive side of things, but it would be very wierd to have a lucid dream play out in your waking life just like it happened in the dream.

I would have to say it would be very very unlikely, especially if you were flying around.

**Worlds Within** · 01-09-2006 08:18 PM

Originally posted by Howetzer
[color=green]Let us say that for sake of discussion that precognitive dreaming does happen. Many claim it does to them. If it does, they could possibly do something about the future correct?

Assuming that the future is fluid and not rigid. I view the future as fluid.

[quote]Well what if you happen to become lucid in a precognitive dream and begin to consciously medal with the circumstances.
Is that messing up your signal? Or perhaps could you find out by asking, Is this a precognitive dream?

I would think it depends on the origin of the procognitive information. Does it originate from the subconscious or from another being/mind/entity?

If it originates from one's own mind, lucid "meddling" with the dream may hinder the precognition. Or not, if the subconscious was insistent on , for example, getting a precognitive warning across.

If it was a precognitive warning from another being(of whatever sort), it may difficult or impossible to introduce "noise" into the "signal". Admitting the possibility of dream influence by other beings/minds, however, opens up the possible problem of "How many dreams(or thoughts) are our own?

(Yes, I am making some assumptions here. Good question though.)

**Anya** · 01-09-2006 09:38 PM

I have been wondering this myself!
I have those kinds of dreams, and this is part of my beef with Lucid Dreaming. I mean what am I tampering with? I don't even know.
I wish i had more to add to that thought. But i don't. All of it is so unexplained and unexplainable. So what can i tell you?

I know that when I have a dream deja-vu experience, I usually dont remember the dream until it is happening. There have been some instances where i have recorded them in my dream journal and was able to go back and find it after the fact. but right - if I am not remembering them until they are happening, than it shouldn't matter if my Luciding screwed it up.
Or does it?
Blast!!!

**Merlock** · 01-09-2006 10:07 PM

I have somewhat of a vague theory about deja vu being memories from dreams. Who knows, procognative dreams may be natural but rare to happen, heh.

**OpheliaBlue** · 01-09-2006 10:56 PM

lmao "fait"

I love you Howie

**Anya** · 01-09-2006 11:02 PM

But also - I have those future dreams naturally. And i also Lucid dream naturally. So they are both a part of me and I just have to assume that they aren't negating each other or messing with one another. and that if i am dreaming of the future it will work out and that if i lucid dream it is also for the better. And i am never constantly doing one or the other, so they each get a turn, and this must also be for the better. Either that or i am receiving critical information which will aid me in all of my furture endeavors . . . if only i could stop waking up . . . Shucks.

**Oneironaut Zero** · 01-10-2006 03:11 AM

Originally posted by OpheliaBlue
lmao \"fait\"

I love you Howie

**Howie** · 01-10-2006 05:22 PM

Originally posted by Gus+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Gus)</div>

doesnt matter, if it does happen like you messed with it, thats how it was going to happen *
if it doesn't happen like that then you just translated it wrong
doesn't really matter because thats how it was meant to happen, so the whole concept you are portraying is irrelevant[/b]

That is if fate is predetermined. I guess if precognition is possible, then that would make sense that the future already existed.
It would be like reading a book and moving up two chapters.

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OpheliaBlue wrote:
lmao \"fait\"
I love you Howie

Heey :finger:

**Anya** · 01-10-2006 05:32 PM

My mother believes that when you dream something and then it really happens that it means you are on the right path in life. It's like our lives aren't plotted out for us, per se, but there are only so many paths we can take. So when your dream becomes reality you are walking the path that your subconcious would want you to follow.

**Howie** · 01-10-2006 05:41 PM

Originally posted by Anya
My mother believes that when you dream something and then it really happens that it means you are on the right path in life. *It's like our lives aren't plotted out for us, per se, but there are only so many paths we can take. *So when your dream becomes reality you are walking the path that your subconcious would want you to follow.

If that is the case I am shit out of luck. Along with all the others who do not experiance precognitive dreams.

**Anya** · 01-10-2006 05:46 PM

Maybe not yet . . .

**Howie** · 01-10-2006 05:50 PM

Originally posted by Anya
Maybe not yet . . .

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I still use my dreams and subconscious for a guide to my everyday life. Granted, they may not be prophetic in nature, but I am still gaining insight form a source that I could otherwise not if it were not for dreams and conscious dreams.