Hallucinogens and Dreams

[psychonaut]

Hey guys, this is my first post here... I've have been into dreams and the art of lucid dreaming for awhile now (about a year), but i have only had about 2 lucid dreams. Recently, I've been having really intense dreams that are really life-like. I actually enjoy these a bit more than lucid dreaming and I like to let my mind lead the dream. I have noticed that when i take hallucinogens (particularly mushrooms) or drugs with hallucinogenic properties (pot, ecstasy) my dreams tend to be more intense for at least a couple weeks after i took the drug. i should note that these are pretty high doses. The 2 times i've taken mushrooms it was 3.5 grams and I smoke pot about once a week (on and off) but each time its at least 2 grams. The time i did ecstasy it was one pill but a very good one (orange yin yangs). I have read that, especially these types of drugs, trigger neurotransmitters in the brain, some of which are the same ones that are activated for dream scape. Does anyone have any more sources in which this was talked about? Do you think that if I ate a gram of mushrooms (not even enough to trip) it would inhance my dream state? Thanks guys, I'm glad to be on this board PLUR

[Michaelx]

Hallucinagens are psychoactive drugs that distort reality and scramble a person's senses. The best known hallucinogens include phencyclidine (PCP, "angel dust"), lycergic acid diethylamide (LSD, "acid"), mescaline from the peyote cactus and psylocybin ("shrooms"). The effects of hallucinagens are both psychological and physical. All of these drugs produce changes in the user's perception, thought and mood. Short- and Long-Term Effects of Hallucinagens: Persistent psychosis (only one that matters here) Hallucinogenic drugs are substances that distort the perception of objective reality. http://www.searchalot.com/texis/open/searc...allucinagens%22 <---- thatsw wwhere i got my info...look for more there if u want... looks to me like it wouldnt help real dreamin tho, since it alters reality instead of creating one...would kinda limit it wouldnt it? well im just a newb so i tried =) later

[imported_Berserk_Exodus]

While brainwaves may fluctuate and increase the scope of perception for the time of the peak, the base that tapers off tends to make brainwaves lower than normal than in the concious state for a BRIEF period of time after the initial high. Many of the times I get high is directly before I sleep, and it greatly degrades the quality of sleep itself.

[sleep_long_sleep_well]

I had a very vivid lucid dream once after eating about a gram of aborts. (if you don't know, aborts are baby mushrooms that stop growing early, and have a rediculously higher potency than bigger mushrooms). However, I've eaten mushrooms before bed since then and had no success, except that my dreams were very abstract. My suggestion is try eating mushrooms when your real tired and make sure you get to sleep BEFORE you get high, or you probably won't be able to sleep at all that night. About weed, when you smoke weed regularily (several times a day in my case) it screws your dreaming right up. However if your only smoking it once a week I think it could help you. I've had lucid dreams immediately after smoking weed in the morning but it could be coincidental. I don't recomend using ecstacy as an aid for lucid dreaming, because it keeps you awake and judging by it's effects I'd imagine your dreams would be WAY too intense to enjoy the experience. One thing I've been doing lately is every time I'm high on a drug (other than weed) I do reality checks constantly. Seems to help me recognize the dreamstate when it comes around.

[spudamore]

micheal you don't know if they scramble a person perception / senses or reality. drugs could take you to a higher perception taking away more filters of the mind which to a person with normal sense of reality and perception may seem scrambled.

[Aneas]

I haven't eaten any shrooms in about 18 years. Damn I miss that experience . Ecstacy wasn't around when I was a teen.

[The Truth]

I just want to say... (incase some people get confused.. because lots of people do) Pot is not a halucigenic... its a depressant like alcohol.. but yeah if you do get really really really fucked you do sorta halucinate... but not proper tripping Extacy (MDMA) is also not a halucigenic, its an aphetamine... MDMA stands for - methylenedioxymethamphetamine... but the other shit they put in it.. for example, Ketamin, is the stuff that gets you fucked. But I am sure, once again, that if you had PURE MDMA, and you took enough then you would also Trip. I have tripped from taking lots of E... but these days pills are cut with so much shit.. and are just stamped with whatever these day that you knever know what your getting. Your Mitzy Turbo could shit.. its not like the good ol' days when they had those Pure Doves that gave ya a propper bo buzz. Just remember... the DRUGS don't get you fucked.. your body reacts with them in a certain way, releasing the chemicals in your body... MDMA squeezes all the Ceratonin out of you petutry gland, and boom your fucked! If you can train your mind to release those chemicals on comand you would never have to buy drugs again. As for the Lucid dreaming... everyone has there own way.. if you find it helps you then go for it. Just dont do too many drugs and get your dreams confused with reality hehe. Also differant mushrooms have differant effects, I did 15 grams of the mexicans and Just laughed my ass off all night.. but did 10 grams of the Thai ones and I felt like I was in a dream. It was so much like a dream it scared me.. and I was on crutches at the time and everytime i swung my legs infront of me I was shocked at the fact that i had legs lol. But to be honest most of the time I am dreaming I am lucid dreaming, and i don't try to get there with techniques and things, i suppose i am lucky to just naturally do it. I do sometimes get in the mood for one, but most of the time I seem to start dreaming whilst i am still awake and i just sorta let myself flow into it... I don't know weather thats cause by an exesive drug history, or just that I am the sorta person thats always dreaming but thats the way it seems to work for me. I wish i found astral projection as easy... but i still haven't been able to do it.

[Rev. Pastora]

Cannabis hallucinations are possible with sufficient ingested doses. You'll never get there smoking it. If you make an oz or two into an edible extract, or into butter to bake something, you'll see what THC is really capable of.

[The Truth]

hehe yeah i have done that.. and it is possible to trip by smoking it.. just has to be some really good shit, or be a lightweight and take too much

[catrina]

i used to be into that kind of stuff. one time i got really high during lunch (we had off campus lunch) and i went back to school (kind of dumb, but pot helped me think really good) but anyway, i was soo high, i was sitting in class, and it felt like i was being sucked into a vacuum cleaner!! and the more i thought about it, the more i could feel myself leaving my body. I thought that if i would just completly let go i was going to die! i think i was having an out of body experience. I kept trying not to think about it and focus as hard as i could to listen to what the teacher was saying, that's how i was "holding on" but then i started "sobering back up" weird huh?

[sleep_long_sleep_well]

Ecstacy wasn't around when I was a teen[/b] you're lucky, it makes your friends stupid

[Rev. Pastora]

Originally posted by Aneas I haven't eaten any shrooms in about 18 years..... Ecstacy wasn't around when I was a teen. If you did the acid that was available 18-25 years ago, ecstasy would seem like baby aspirin. It's not worth the side effects.

[catrina]

my friend once told me that he was at a party and someone spiked the punch with acid or something, and he drank some. he said some mexicans came up to him and with their fingers, drew a box around him (my friend) and my friend said that for like 20 min he couldn't get out of this box! he was pissed!, then he said that the mexicans came and acted like they unzipped the box, and my friend was able to get out.

[catrina]

i also remember one time when i did shrooms i kind of blacked out, but well it wasn't a black out, i was just so deep in thought that i didn't even pay attention to what was going on around me. i remember sitting on a couch, with my elbows on my knees. and i remember that i kept having the feeling that i needed to go to the bathroom. and i felt that if i like rolled forward, kind of like a summer-salt, that i'd roll into another demension or something. Then i remember my friends handing me a lighter, and they were like, "are you alright? you seemed kind of out of it for a while" and i said, "i'm fine i just have to go to the bathroom" and they're like "dude, you kept saying that the whole while here" which i dont' remember. weird huh? i dont' do that stuff anymore. anyone else got weird stories like that?

[Seeker]

They may help you have more vivid dreams, but were they lucid or just vivid?

[catrina]

that wasn't a dream, that's how i really felt!