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    1. 03-02-2004 12:49 AM #1
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      Dealing with fear

      I've been thinking more and more about this recently, and after past experiences I'm pretty sure that I could succeed with AP but one thing stops me - fear.

      The whole idea of it just seems so esoteric and improbable to me, yet I can't deny what I felt during my first attempt, and it was this sensation that made me stop abruptly, terrified. Let me try to explain; I'm a very scientific person, I used to hold open beliefs in what we are capable of and the potential of the untapped human mind but, predictably I suppose, these have been tempered as I've grown older - I undertook the AP exercise fully expecting nothing to happen, then I could scoff and shrug my shoulders, but since something did happen I find myself frozen and totally unable to take the next, logical step.

      Is this something that should be forced, an instinctive reaction to overcome? Strangely, knowing that I could probably AP if I wanted to is almost enough, it gives me a kind of peaceful reassurance, but at the same time I remain certain that unless I work at trying to desensitise myself to the experience it is something I will never try again.

      How did you overcome this fear? After experiencing it I would be impressed if anyone was calm and controlled enough to just 'go with the flow', as I felt like I was losing control of my body, did the enthusiasm and sheer stubborness of wanting to achieve AP push you past the fear, or did you have to chip away at it over a number of weeks, months, or even years?
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    2. 03-02-2004 03:49 AM #2
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      Sorry, but what do you mean by AE?
      astral something?
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    3. 03-02-2004 04:17 AM #3
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      sound out of body what ever AE is.. how to drive out fear.. pray and ask God to remove the fear and to shower you with protection. You have nothing to fear but fear itself.... nothing can hurt you so stop whining (just kidding) but nothing will hurt you.... bad things try to overcome you by giving you fear... if they don't have that then they have nothing on you.


      Works for me...

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    4. 03-02-2004 06:58 AM #4
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      Praying to God works. But the fear comes from the intense vibrations and conscious moving into seemingly uncharted territory. The 1st time I successfully Astral projected, if thats what you mean, I was rising out my body but immediately jumped up out of fear. No matter how much you try to prepare yourself with words, they can never truly prepare you for the actual experience.
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    5. 03-02-2004 02:22 PM #5
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      Originally posted by Ev
      Sorry, but what do you mean by AE?
      astral something?
      D'oh, sorry I meant AP! Astral Projection.

      Thanks for the advice Jinzo and Blissful, I suppose there is no real preparation you can do for it, I'm willing to bet most don't succeed their first time trying AP as they are shocked out of it by these sensations - it's just a case of getting used to to them to the extent that they don't disturb you so much.
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    6. 03-02-2004 02:58 PM #6
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      I tried it again last night and fell asleep while my mind was awake, and I started spinning really, really fast and my heart started beating like crazy. I pressed on and continued through it, but I couldn't get deeper and then I came out of the trance.
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    7. 03-02-2004 06:09 PM #7
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      That same thing happened to me. I wanted know why and found out that the reason was because I had no intentions of where to be or go. You're in the state you're supposed AP and dream in but you don't go anywhere like when you don't dream. You're expectancies and excitment probably woke like in lucid dreaming. you must have a fixed denstination whether you're forcing it or taking the natural approach. When I try to force myself out I visualize the view from from my roof while pushing. I focus on being teleported and believing my consciousness to be on the roof and I dont think of the distance I just believe myself to be there. It can be diffilcult since you're losing consciousness but this is how conscious AP is induced. BTW, when you're sleep your magnetic field and chakras expand. Sometimes you must do this on your own. If the chakras are closed 8x out of 10 you aint going no where. I did this by imagining 2 spiraling white drills of energy clockwise and c-clockwise stretching the base chakra to the crown. Imagined each chakra in color expanding as the spirals were opposite directions 1 left and the other right. I immediately felt a loosening and then a structureless and paralyzed Astral body but then was awakened by a call.
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    8. 03-02-2004 07:36 PM #8
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      The great thing is is that you can lay down and go into trance at any time.

      I should of just kept concentrating... But I liked that spinning feeling. It seems I'm going to have to let myself fall asleep a little...
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    9. 03-03-2004 06:22 AM #9
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      It took me some time to overcome that fear, its freaky letting go of your self...
      "A knight is sworn to valor.
      His heart knows only virtue.
      His blade defends the helpless.
      His might upholds the weak.
      His word speaks only truth.
      His wrath undoes the wicked."

      Impossible is only that which has yet to be imagined
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