Blind people have OBE's

[Matt5678]

ive discussed this on another thread but just wanted to discuss it in this forum to see what people think. ive read about OBE/NDE cases where blind people report being able to see in their OBE/NDE. Dr. Kenneth Ring conducted a study on this some years ago. to rule out some possible naturalistic causes he only included people who were blind from birth. so he could make sure the experience was not just a memory from when they could see. one very interesting case was from Vicki Noratuk. she reports all the normal features of an OBE/NDE. seeing her body and the doctors working on her. going through a tunnel and seeing a bright light. meeting what she identified as god and so on. the bad thing was she couldn’t identify any colors that the doctors were wearing because she had never seen any colors before. i can only imagine how amazing it must have been for someone who has never seen light before to see this unimaginably bright light as she describes it. i just thought this was very intriguing and wanted to share it with people

[Rainman]

That is indeed very interesting. Yes, it's quite logical that blind people are able to see via OBE, because most OBEs have a large amount of external imput, and you don't see through your physical eyes. I don't know why I didn't mention that before as proof of OBEs. It would be pretty hard for a group of people blind from birth to accurately describe something visually and detailed if it were a lucid dream. Because lucid dreams are internal sensory only. Blind people have never seen, therefore their brains can't remember what things look like. OBEs don't rely on internal input. This is interesting. Wish I would have thought about mentioning it, but glad you did nonetheless

[wer]

Yes, it is one of the many wonders of the out-of-body experience. I can only imagine how amazing it would be to project when you've been blind your entire life... Robert Bruce has done some work with the blind and OBEs.

[Matt5678]

That is indeed very interesting. Yes, it's quite logical that blind people are able to see via OBE, because most OBEs have a large amount of external imput, and you don't see through your physical eyes. I don't know why I didn't mention that before as proof of OBEs. It would be pretty hard for a group of people blind from birth to accurately describe something visually and detailed if it were a lucid dream. Because lucid dreams are internal sensory only. Blind people have never seen, therefore their brains can't remember what things look like. OBEs don't rely on internal input. This is interesting. Wish I would have thought about mentioning it, but glad you did nonetheless thank you. vicki Noratuk has said in an interview that in her regular dreams she doesnt see any visual impressions. only taste, touch, sound and smell. those must be pretty boring dreams........

[Diablo Mablo]

very boring dreams indeed. But since they have the sense of touch can't they figure out what things look like and kind of make a mental picture of it. Although without colour, or random colours lol.

[Matt5678]

very boring dreams indeed. But since they have the sense of touch can't they figure out what things look like and kind of make a mental picture of it. Although without colour, or random colours lol. i suppose it is possible to make a mental picture with touch. but she reports never seeing any visual impressions. your saying her mental pictures finally became active with extreme detail at that moment when she crashed her car and was reported "dead"? not only does the being "dead" thing raise questions but id think if she could make mental pictures odds are she would have come across another visual impression before that. also there is a major difference between seeing a dark shape or a slash of random color than flying above a city seeing cars traffic, people and buildings. as she described it. im not trying to attack and say that its impossible that thats the case. but its questionable at best. i applaud your free thinking though

[Rainman]

Amen to that- free thinking that is...But I doubt she'd have a realistic idea of what things looked like simply by touch. Go to a weird ass warehouse full of things you've never seen, and see if you can create an image of it in your head simply by touching it. It wouldn't be very accurate, I daresay. I mean obviously you'd have somewhat of an idea what it looks like, but in a dream it wouldn't be enough to have any sort of physical appearance to you.