Thread: Clarification on Shared Dreams

Okay, no offense but i'm sick of new members coming in and asking the same questions. Did you read the threads on this subject, there are like 20 pages on this subject.

I'll try to explain it to you in a couple of different perpectives.

Belivers: It's when you are lucid dreaming and you try to go into another person's dream wheather their lucid or not. In order to do this (Very Hard) one must think of a door and try to imagine a white room on the other side with that person in it. Now if you get this far you then have to wake that person up in the dream. They will prbly see you as a demon. So..

Astral Projectors: You are actually in the astral plane when you meet up and in order to do this you must split you soul and body. (sounds weird but there is actually proof to back it up).

Non belivers: You are lucid dreaming and you manisted your friend into your dream. It sounds, looks, and acts like him because you know that person well enough to expect his answers.

My opinion: It's possible only on the astral plane. But then again I've never actually gotten somewhere with astral projection.

Edit: I don't feel like getting flamed for this,, "There is litmited proof on astral projection"

Now be nice to the newbs, but I see where you're coming from. There's alot of this already.

Simple put, shared dreaming is being in a dream with someone else.

I have begun my journy into Astral Project and Dream Sharing. I have done much research, and have experienced some of the features myself, so i will provide my information.

Originally Posted by durza2016

Edit: I don't feel like getting flamed for this,, "There is litmited proof on astral projection"

This is very true, the only way to confirm and have a hard base in your mind, is to experience it yourself. After you experience it, then of course you will believe in the subject. There is hard proof, of people holding up signs that say something, but its out of view of the patient, and once the patient says he/she is out of the OOBE or Astral Projected stated, they share what the sign says. Most often, they are very correct. But this off topic.

They two posting before me have made exellent definitions of shared dreaming. My two cents is, Shared dreaming is only possible if you believe it is. After saying that, Shared Dreaming is when you either

1. Go lucid and while in you're dream, you begin to travel using an OOBE, except for it seems that your soul and mind are still in your body. What i said may be totaly wrong, but its because its the way i said it. When your in a dream, if you already havent noticed, anything is possible. If your mind says "ok, its time for a dream share with so and so, so now its time to go to there dream", you well get one of two things. One is, you're mind will begin to "Imagine" that you are with the other person, but it will only be in your mind, not theres. The other, more rare one, is what i above stated, your mind sends you into a OOBE (OOBE= out of body experience, in case you havent read that before). Because anything is possible in dreams, you're physical mind will begin to OOBE. Once it does, your mind will travel to your disired object, and, if lucky enough, will begin to have a Dream Share. Most people belive only the first option is the case, but some believe that second option is also possible.

NOTE: The above paragraph is simply out of research, i have not performed a Dream Share yet, but this is what i have read and heard of.

2. Now, i wont get into how to Astral Project, or how to OOBE, hence that is not the question, but i will provide information on Dream Sharing with the two possiblities. Astral Projecting is so closely related to OOBE, that i will not differ the two on explaining how to Dream Share with them.

Once you are OOBE, or Astral, the person focuses on the person he/she wants to "share" a dream with. After focusing, and if done with the right technique (that i also will not get into), the person "teleports" to that spot. Of course, it is only the spirit that teleports, not the actual body. Once the person is next to, or in the same area as the person they wish to Dream Share with, the person then goes into the other persons mind, and then hence sees and shares the dream with that person. (so i dont get put down by Rainman again haha :p) I have heard that this requires other abilites, such as telepathic abilities. This is the combination of two minds, so they can interact. Also, again i havent been able to go Astral yet, but again off of research, i have learned that the other person you wish to Dream Share with, must have some telepathic awarness, and/or must allow you in. I have heard this many times, and without confirmation, I do not know if this is true or not. I strongly believe that people can go into other dreams without the consent. I believe this because, if not, dream walkers and dream invaders (no worries to you, so dont get frightend) can invade anyones dream, at any time. Again without confirmation, i cannot confirm.

NOTE: You can also "travel" once Astral, to the person, you dont HAVE to teleport to them.

This is all that i have reasearched and studied. I do not have proof of this, and i am not saying that what i typed up there is 100% legit. Lots of it could be myth, and lots of it could be fact. The fact that i havent experienced it, means that its impossible for me to confirm it with backed up self-proof. Don't take what i said as a permanent mark in your brain, if you really want to see what Shared Dreaming has to offer, and what Astral Projection and OOBE have to offer, then you will simply have to experience it yourself.

As for the noob-ish comments, yes wtfballin, please do search the site for information before you post, but as of now, i will copy this and save it on my pc, so when the next person comes and asks the same question, i can provide them haha.

Hope you found what ive researched helpful, if you have any other comments, PM me, im not too good at keeping up with threads.

My bad for being an ass, I just found out that metroid prime 3 corruption not going to have online.

Now I'm way to aggiated to read your post right now but I will later. But all I can say is that I think it's plauseibl. Because one time I pretend in my dream that I was driving on a bridge that let to anothjer person's dream And from my experience I would say that's it's pretty plausible.

First of all, very little of your post made any sense, confused_911. Second of all, I terribly hate to analyze and correct yet another set of your very odd, unbacked statements, but I'd hate even more to let someone assume that your misleading information is correct.

This is very true, the only way to confirm and have a hard base in your mind, is to experience it yourself. After you experience it, then of course you will believe in the subject.

No, that's not entirely true. Many people may have experienced OBEs and determine that the experience they had was a lucid dreaming anomoly. Second, validations, which you mentioned, are pretty solid proof that some degree of interactivity is possible with just the human mind, whether or not they are OBEs.

Because anything is possible in dreams, you're physical mind will begin to OOBE. Once it does, your mind will travel to your disired object, and, if lucky enough, will begin to have a Dream Share. Most people belive only the first option is the case, but some believe that second option is also possible.

Again, this is false. I think you take the phrase "anything is possible in dreams" WAY too literally. Any scenario is possible in your dream, but that doesn't mean anything is possible. Your human body is physically incapable of doing certain actions regardless of whether you're awake, or asleep/lucid dreaming. anything is possible IN THE DREAM. Your mind outside of the dream is exactly the same as it is when it's awake. Just because you wish you'd have an OBE in a lucid dream doesn't mean you'll have a real one.

The closest you'd get is having a false awakening and your mind would simulate what it THINKS an OBE would look like. An OBE is possible from a lucid dream, IF you know how to have an OBE, how they work, etc. You won't just magically have one.

NOTE: The above paragraph is simply out of research, i have not performed a Dream Share yet, but this is what i have read and heard of.

What "research" is it that you're doing? Most of this stuff was completely fabricated by you based on your hypotheses, not on fact. Just because this is metaphysics we're talking about, doesn't mean that any old rubbish you come up with is automatically valid.

Once you are OOBE, or Astral, the person focuses on the person he/she wants to "share" a dream with. After focusing, and if done with the right technique (that i also will not get into), the person "teleports" to that spot. Of course, it is only the spirit that teleports, not the actual body. Once the person is next to, or in the same area as the person they wish to Dream Share with, the person then goes into the other persons mind, and then hence sees and shares the dream with that person.

Confused_911, how do you know any of this is correct? You openly claim that you have never done any of these things. And clearly don't have an understanding of them, as not 1 week ago you were asking endless questions about very basic metaphysical ideas.

Dreamsharing from a lucid dream to another person dreaming is not possible, from what I understand. Confused_911 was on the right track saying that it is possible from an OBE. But the way he explained how it's done is completely inaccurate.

Confused_911, I do not have anything against you at all, so I hope there are no hard feelings, but your name suits you, as you are indeed QUITE confused. Most of the advice you give is VERY misleading, and the fact that you're giving it to people who are new to the forum is UNWISE. Do NOT try to give out advice on dealings with out of body metaphysics until you have a TRUE understanding of it!!

From what I understand, your posts are your way of trying to fit in with the small group of new age believers of the forum. You are trying to be like the others that you see posting about their experiences and information, but you are doing it without the actual information. Without the experiences, it is NOT your place to post things like your previous post, because in all reality (and I'm really not saying this to offend you), you don't know what the bloody hell you're talking about, and if someone follows your very misleading advice, it could be very DANGEROUS for them. Do you understand that?

The danger in doing some of this stuff the wrong way is very real. The reason you say "and i won't list the techniques now" or "I won't get into this now" is because you don't KNOW the techniques or the details. Your are claiming what you GUESS to be FACT, and that could have a very NEGATIVE impact on new members who read your posts.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to spread information. It's very very admirable, but by dabbling and talking about things which you don't understand and trying to pass it off as valid information is not only not useful, it's also putting people at risk, and now that you know that, it's irresponsible for you to continue posting semi-tutorials on how to do this stuff.

Woah what a statement. Well if you think about it everyone on this forum does that in my opinion (not all but a lot).

I mean I tell people on this site the truth I'm good at LDing naturally and I abouslty 100% suck at astral Projection.

Not necessarily. And if they do, the inaccurate information is usually about lucid dreaming or other non-metaphysically related things, and it doesn't matter in the long run if those are inaccurate, because you can't be harmed by trying to lucid dream. You can fuck yourself up trying to do things with advanced metaphysical/psi concepts, and therefore information coming from someone who has 0% experience in any of this is completely unacceptable in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Rainman

First of all, very little of your post made any sense, confused_911. Second of all, I terribly hate to analyze and correct yet another set of your very odd, unbacked statements, but I'd hate even more to let someone assume that your misleading information is correct.

First of all, to you Rainman, if you pay attention and actually read my post, instead of analyizing my post just to pick out the bad parts, you would see that what i have in it, are soley true and i spent a long while to write what i have learned to share for wtfballin. The act of assuming my friend has been taken by your part, when you stated

Originally Posted by Rainman

Do NOT try to give out advice on dealings with out of body metaphysics until you have a TRUE understanding of it!!

and

Originally Posted by Rainman

The danger in doing some of this stuff the wrong way is very real. The reason you say "and i won't list the techniques now" or "I won't get into this now" is because you don't KNOW the techniques or the details. Your are claiming what you GUESS to be FACT, and that could have a very NEGATIVE impact on new members who read your posts.

Do you honestly believe that i would give out some advice without even a basic knowledge of it? I'm not one to make enemys, and i dont want to drag anyone into this, so i wont make any names. But i have been being tutored and trained, with basic and advanced knowledge, on how to do these things. The fact that you automaticly assume that since i have not been here for more then a meer 2 weeks, that i have no knowledge of the thing i am trying to state. This is entirely untrue in my case. I have read countless websites, and learned from the best so i can try to get myself knowledgeable enough to come to help someone. My work is not on lucid dreaming, but more on Astral Projections and OOBE.

When you say i dont "know" the details into getting to be Astral, and all of the techniques, again you are ASSUMING that i dont know how to do this. Simply, i DO know, and i do have confirmation and ACTUAL experience into getting into these Astral Projections. The fact that i havent gone totaly Astral, does not mean by any sorts that i dont know HOW to do it. Of course you may not agree with me when i say Astral Projectioning is true BUT i do not care at this point. Again i have been taught, and i have been told and have read to confirm that the experiences i have done where IN FACT the way to get to an Astral state. So before you go assuming that i dont know how to do anything, and that my techniques are not legit, get to know some facts.

Yes you have been here much longer then me, and i to do not wish to cause any tension between us, i just ask for some basic respect when it comes to what i have to say. The way i have read and the way i have learned things could very well be different from what you have read or learned, and this is understandable, but to call out someone elses conclusions to be in-accurate, is not a fair game. If you only believe that your methods work, and not anyone else's, then you are much mistaken.

Originally Posted by Rainman

No, that's not entirely true. Many people may have experienced OBEs and determine that the experience they had was a lucid dreaming anomoly. Second, validations, which you mentioned, are pretty solid proof that some degree of interactivity is possible with just the human mind, whether or not they are OBEs.

Woa, take a look at what i said. I stated that the only for sure, with no skeptizism, way of believeing these Astral Projections and OOBE's are true, is if you experience them yourself. Everyone in the world could tell you something, but until you see or experience it in another form by yourself, how do you know it is entirely possible? Believing is one thing, but knowing for fact is a totaly different thing. Yes i know that people have false-awakanings and then they "think" they are OOBE, but once they confirm that it was just a LD, or a regulare dream, how else but to TRULEY experience it themselfs, would they know what is right?

Originally Posted by Rainman

Again, this is false. I think you take the phrase "anything is possible in dreams" WAY too literally. Any scenario is possible in your dream, but that doesn't mean anything is possible. Your human body is physically incapable of doing certain actions regardless of whether you're awake, or asleep/lucid dreaming. anything is possible IN THE DREAM. Your mind outside of the dream is exactly the same as it is when it's awake. Just because you wish you'd have an OBE in a lucid dream doesn't mean you'll have a real one.

Oi again with the assuming. I do for fact know that any scenerio is possible in dreams, but when your in a dream state, people have been reported to go into an OOBE or AP, while IN a lucid dream. Im not saying that its possible, i dont have 100% proof that it is, but there is enough to back me up from the people that have experienced it, to know that you CAN go OOBE from a lucid dream. It may be a false one, and it may be a real one. Once i remember the name of the writer who proposed this in his work, i will give it to you so that you can see what i mean when i say you CAN go OOBE in a lucid dream. And what you say by "Magicily" going into an OOBE, not every person who has experienced an OOBE knew how, and tried to experience one. Many people just happen to have one, and i thought you of all people would understand this.

Originally Posted by Rainman

What "research" is it that you're doing? Most of this stuff was completely fabricated by you based on your hypotheses, not on fact. Just because this is metaphysics we're talking about, doesn't mean that any old rubbish you come up with is automatically valid.

The fact that you assume again that all i have learned and read is "rubbish", again puts you at a downfall. I did say in my post that what i typed was not 100% legit, i agree with you about alot of my writing to not be true by your standards. Alot of it, or very little of it, could be true, but in the same respect Alot or very little of it is also 100% true. The works that i have done to aquire this knowledge i dont have to share to you, but i will, because if i dont again you will point an assuming finger and say that i havent really done any of this. From websites, to books and even a private to not be named team mate, i have learned and researched alot about Astral Projections and Dream sharing. You dont know why, or what i do, so dont assume that what i do is all junk, because even though some may be, i firmly believe that i know ALOT about what im talking about.

Originally Posted by Rainman

Confused_911, how do you know any of this is correct? You openly claim that you have never done any of these things. And clearly don't have an understanding of them, as not 1 week ago you were asking endless questions about very basic metaphysical ideas.

Further back to two weeks ago, yes i was asking questions, but not endless, just about 3 or 4 to be entirley exact. I dont KNOW this is correct, because again from what i stated before im a believer in experience to know, but i do believe in what ive heard. "And clearly don't have an understanding of them" GAH again how do you know i dont have an understanding of them??? Just because i asked questions before, does not mean i have sat on my ass and done nothing since then.

[QUOTE=Rainman;497457]Dreamsharing from a lucid dream to another person dreaming is not possible, from what I understand. Confused_911 was on the right track saying that it is possible from an OBE. But the way he explained how it's done is completely inaccurate.[QUOTE=Rainman;497457]

I know that you have your own beliefs, as well do I. But dont tell anyone that something is not possible, its just believed not to be, but there is always a chance of everything being possible. There are so many things that havent been done yet, but are going to be done and going to be experienced, how can you possibly say that something is not possible? I know that you believe it is not possible, and everyone has there own right to an opinion, but do not tell things that you dont know for sure. Saying "from what i understand" protects you this time, but dont say it isnt possible.

Originally Posted by Rainman

Confused_911, I do not have anything against you at all, so I hope there are no hard feelings, but your name suits you, as you are indeed QUITE confused. Most of the advice you give is VERY misleading, and the fact that you're giving it to people who are new to the forum is UNWISE.

Again, no harsh feelings to you either Rainman, i dont wish to cause a fight between us, and i am just telling what i know. I am not however Confused for what i know. The advice that i give is only misleading to you because you have experienced, or heard of an experience, different from mine. Just because i do something different doesnt mean its wrong.

Originally Posted by Rainman

From what I understand, your posts are your way of trying to fit in with the small group of new age believers of the forum. You are trying to be like the others that you see posting about their experiences and information, but you are doing it without the actual information. Without the experiences, it is NOT your place to post things like your previous post, because in all reality (and I'm really not saying this to offend you), you don't know what the bloody hell you're talking about, and if someone follows your very misleading advice, it could be very DANGEROUS for them. Do you understand that?

I do understand that if someone does something like this in the wrong way, it could end to a dangerous outcome. But again for you saying that my methods are un-legit and that im not informed enough to post here, really again puts you at a downfall. For the last time, i HAVE learned many things, and i HAVE been able to perform many things. Just because you assume that i havent, doesnt give you the right to tell someone not to post on a forum. When you say i dont know what the bloody hell im talking about, you are VERY mistaken. My post has already been approved by a very succeful person on this board, again to save hate and enemys, i wont say his name. Dont say i dont know something, you have no idea what i've done.

Originally Posted by Rainman

There is nothing wrong with wanting to spread information. It's very very admirable, but by dabbling and talking about things which you don't understand and trying to pass it off as valid information is not only not useful, it's also putting people at risk, and now that you know that, it's irresponsible for you to continue posting semi-tutorials on how to do this stuff.

Semi-tutorials? dabbling? again.. dont understand? Listen to what your saying Rainman, if what you say is true, then i have been sitting on my ass and not doing anything to help myself out. But in reality, again, you have no reason and no right to say that i dont know what im talking about. Just because i do things differently then you, does not make them wrong. And i hope you understand that, and stop assuming that i dont know anything.



After that, i will say that i always have, and always do admire you Rainman for your constant advice on this forum. Just for future preachings, dont assume, and get facts before you bury yourself with idiocy. I do not mean for my post to sound mean, it was simply put into the dialog that you had yours in, and i dont want to cause a fight. What i posted is what ive learned, what ive been taught, and i have already said that its NOT 100% legit. So dont assume that i dont know anything, and dont make in accurate guesses about my knowledge. If you truley are experienced at this, you would know there is not only one solid way to do things.

Like i have been saying, im not going to start a fight, and a argument over who is right, would be pointless. We both have our own beliefs, and because of that we cant change each other. Dont flame what i have to say, and i wont flame what you have to say. I dont want to make this a fight between us, and so i will no longer post a reply to your answers in this thread. Just please next time, think before you type, and dont assume. You know what it does.

Sorry for spamming with this post, but i had to let everyone know that there is not only one possibility for things, and that anything is possible.

Originally Posted by Confused_911

I have begun my journy into Astral Project and Dream Sharing. I have done much research, and have experienced some of the features myself, so i will provide my information.



This is very true, the only way to confirm and have a hard base in your mind, is to experience it yourself. After you experience it, then of course you will believe in the subject. There is hard proof, of people holding up signs that say something, but its out of view of the patient, and once the patient says he/she is out of the OOBE or Astral Projected stated, they share what the sign says. Most often, they are very correct. But this off topic.

They two posting before me have made exellent definitions of shared dreaming. My two cents is, Shared dreaming is only possible if you believe it is. After saying that, Shared Dreaming is when you either

1. Go lucid and while in you're dream, you begin to travel using an OOBE, except for it seems that your soul and mind are still in your body. What i said may be totaly wrong, but its because its the way i said it. When your in a dream, if you already havent noticed, anything is possible. If your mind says "ok, its time for a dream share with so and so, so now its time to go to there dream", you well get one of two things. One is, you're mind will begin to "Imagine" that you are with the other person, but it will only be in your mind, not theres. The other, more rare one, is what i above stated, your mind sends you into a OOBE (OOBE= out of body experience, in case you havent read that before). Because anything is possible in dreams, you're physical mind will begin to OOBE. Once it does, your mind will travel to your disired object, and, if lucky enough, will begin to have a Dream Share. Most people belive only the first option is the case, but some believe that second option is also possible.

NOTE: The above paragraph is simply out of research, i have not performed a Dream Share yet, but this is what i have read and heard of.

2. Now, i wont get into how to Astral Project, or how to OOBE, hence that is not the question, but i will provide information on Dream Sharing with the two possiblities. Astral Projecting is so closely related to OOBE, that i will not differ the two on explaining how to Dream Share with them.

Once you are OOBE, or Astral, the person focuses on the person he/she wants to "share" a dream with. After focusing, and if done with the right technique (that i also will not get into), the person "teleports" to that spot. Of course, it is only the spirit that teleports, not the actual body. Once the person is next to, or in the same area as the person they wish to Dream Share with, the person then goes into the other persons mind, and then hence sees and shares the dream with that person. (so i dont get put down by Rainman again haha :p) I have heard that this requires other abilites, such as telepathic abilities. This is the combination of two minds, so they can interact. Also, again i havent been able to go Astral yet, but again off of research, i have learned that the other person you wish to Dream Share with, must have some telepathic awarness, and/or must allow you in. I have heard this many times, and without confirmation, I do not know if this is true or not. I strongly believe that people can go into other dreams without the consent. I believe this because, if not, dream walkers and dream invaders (no worries to you, so dont get frightend) can invade anyones dream, at any time. Again without confirmation, i cannot confirm.

NOTE: You can also "travel" once Astral, to the person, you dont HAVE to teleport to them.

This is all that i have reasearched and studied. I do not have proof of this, and i am not saying that what i typed up there is 100% legit. Lots of it could be myth, and lots of it could be fact. The fact that i havent experienced it, means that its impossible for me to confirm it with backed up self-proof. Don't take what i said as a permanent mark in your brain, if you really want to see what Shared Dreaming has to offer, and what Astral Projection and OOBE have to offer, then you will simply have to experience it yourself.

As for the noob-ish comments, yes wtfballin, please do search the site for information before you post, but as of now, i will copy this and save it on my pc, so when the next person comes and asks the same question, i can provide them haha.

Hope you found what ive researched helpful, if you have any other comments, PM me, im not too good at keeping up with threads.

This is of no offense what so ever to you, Confused_911, but what you've written is very, well, confusing. I think you misunderstood some of the things we talked about, or just had trouble writting it all out. My personal advice to you: don't try to write tutorials on things that you are new to yourself, I know you have good attentions, but its best to stay away from helping people out with things you still need help with

From my limited experience with dreamsharing and dreamwalking, I believe its possible to enter someone else's dream relatively easily through a normal lucid dream, or even in a deep trance. I also would think it possible to enter someone's dream while out-of-body, although I really don't know how you would go about doing this and wouldn't recommend doing it this way until you are more experienced and know how dreamwalking works to a greater extent. I've only shared dreams a couple of times and have never done it attentionally, so can't really say how you would do it, but there is a article on Psipog called "Dreamwalking" by Rainsong that seems like it would work. Just do a search on the site for "dreamwalking" and it should come up.

Originally Posted by wer

This is of no offense what so ever to you, Confused_911, but what you've written is very, well, confusing. I think you misunderstood some of the things we talked about, or just had trouble writting it all out. My personal advice to you: don't try to write tutorials on things that you are new to yourself, I know you have good attentions, but its best to stay away from helping people out with things you still need help with

From my limited experience with dreamsharing and dreamwalking, I believe its possible to enter someone else's dream relatively easily through a normal lucid dream, or even in a deep trance. I also would think it possible to enter someone's dream while out-of-body, although I really don't know how you would go about doing this and wouldn't recommend doing it this way until you are more experienced and know how dreamwalking works to a greater extent. I've only shared dreams a couple of times and have never done it attentionally, so can't really say how you would do it, but there is a article on Psipog called "Dreamwalking" by Rainsong that seems like it would work. Just do a search on the site for "dreamwalking" and it should come up.

Ahhh yes yes wer, thats what i was talking about, the article from Rainsong. Yes i know it does sound kind of confusing, but still, Rainman had no right to do that. But anywho thats old buisness and im not gonna weep over it. I agree to the confusing part, but im not agreeing to anything else he stated.

Anyway, yes thanks, i wont write anything else until i get to actually go places while being astral, last night however (i im'd you but you are offline now, ><) i did get 2 very severe vibrations. I just got done doing some riding and when i went home i was too pooped to go back to my bedroom so i slept out in my living room on my couch. I tried going astral, and i remember actually getting up, moving around, and when i went back to bed i tried again to go astral, and when i was trying i got the same sensation i had told you about before, and then when i kept my self calm, i waited and what seemed to be about 1-2 mins after i got another one, and my fingers and toes were tingaling. I waited agian and i didnt get anymore, but i still was calm and everything, so i tried to stand up... but to my dismey i just stood up in real life. haha, But the 2 vibrations is definatly another step up on the latter, and the tingaling (whether it was just in my head or actually going on) is another step up.

Originally Posted by C911

Anyway, yes thanks, i wont write anything else until i get to actually go places while being astral, last night however (i im'd you but you are offline now, ><) i did get 2 very severe vibrations. I just got done doing some riding and when i went home i was too pooped to go back to my bedroom so i slept out in my living room on my couch. I tried going astral, and i remember actually getting up, moving around, and when i went back to bed i tried again to go astral, and when i was trying i got the same sensation i had told you about before, and then when i kept my self calm, i waited and what seemed to be about 1-2 mins after i got another one, and my fingers and toes were tingaling. I waited agian and i didnt get anymore, but i still was calm and everything, so i tried to stand up... but to my dismey i just stood up in real life. haha, But the 2 vibrations is definatly another step up on the latter, and the tingaling (whether it was just in my head or actually going on) is another step up.

Nice

Stick with it, your a natural, you almost had it.

Originally Posted by durza2016

Okay, no offense but i'm sick of new members coming in and asking the same questions. Did you read the threads on this subject, there are like 20 pages on this subject.

I'll try to explain it to you in a couple of different perpectives.

Belivers: It's when you are lucid dreaming and you try to go into another person's dream wheather their lucid or not. In order to do this (Very Hard) one must think of a door and try to imagine a white room on the other side with that person in it. Now if you get this far you then have to wake that person up in the dream. They will prbly see you as a demon. So..

Astral Projectors: You are actually in the astral plane when you meet up and in order to do this you must split you soul and body. (sounds weird but there is actually proof to back it up).

Non belivers: You are lucid dreaming and you manisted your friend into your dream. It sounds, looks, and acts like him because you know that person well enough to expect his answers.

My opinion: It's possible only on the astral plane. But then again I've never actually gotten somewhere with astral projection.

Edit: I don't feel like getting flamed for this,, "There is litmited proof on astral projection"

I have a new hero!

Confused_911, your lengthy retort to my criticism of your post was full of invalid points. I was not trying to insult you. I don't "assume" things without reason as you claimed I do. I don't have to assume you don't know what you're talking about, because I KNOW that you don't know what you're talking about, as all of the things that I corrected you about were there for a reason. The information you had in your post was WRONG. Therefore I don't need to "assume" anything. LOGIC says that if you "research" something that you have admitted your newness with, and you try to write a tutorial on it, and generally ALL of it was wrong or inaccurate, then you don't know what you're talking about. There's nothing to assume. I already know.

And as I've said, there's nothing wrong with that, just do not post info on it. You claim to have a true understanding of these concepts, but you do NOT. This type of knowledge comes from a combination of reading about the history of it AND doing it yourself. Your little tutorial was completely misleading. I'm sure that Wer and other experienced metaphysics persons would agree with me that your tutorial contained a lot of false information.

You do not have the experience or the knowledge to write a tutorial of any kind about metaphysics, and therefore it is not your place to do so. Period.

Originally Posted by wer

Nice

Stick with it, your a natural, you almost had it.

Haha thanks, we keep missin each other on IM, but owell haha. i will try to catch ya sooner or later.