Thread: Do you believe in OBE's?

Are OBEs real? It is not easy to explain...
Me, I can say I have more than 150 times that experience others would
call OOBE.
Sometimes it's realy easy to do and sometimes not.
I have seen things that I found real after I woke up. And I saw things I would say its more like a lucid dream.
One thing is always the same: I know if it is a lucid dream or an obe or a dream, or if I am awake.
But to say, that I leave my body "real" I can not.
Why?
Am I where my consciousness is?
Am I where my body is?

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

How can you tell you post at DV? you hear "PROVE IT!" on every single thing, even if it's unproveable right now. This place is starting to suck now.

That's a little but harsh. At DV, we pride ourselves on being a little skeptical, it goes a long way toward establishing credibility and differentiates us from a lot of other lucid dreaming sites.

I'm sorry, I'd love to believe in OBE. I've heard all kinds of SUBJECTIVE proof, but never seen any OBJECTIVE, scientific proof.

Originally Posted by Seeker

That's a little but harsh. At DV, we pride ourselves on being a little skeptical, it goes a long way toward establishing credibility and differentiates us from a lot of other lucid dreaming sites.

I'm sorry, I'd love to believe in OBE. I've heard all kinds of SUBJECTIVE proof, but never seen any OBJECTIVE, scientific proof.

Harsh but true, i'm tired of people saying prove it because they have nothing else to say.

I saw Elvis today

PROVE IT!

Lots of evidence of things all over the net, look up the evidence, or lack of evidence and make your own conclusions, and there you go. DON'T PROVE IT! because the nets infront of you, and you looked it up, and made your own mind up on things that we have no proof for, and no proof against.

How would you prove there is such things as "dreams" to a person who's never had one?? (supposing for the sake of argument that person exists)

Or easier: prove LD to somebody who's never woken up in a dream??

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OBE's are fairly easy to prove...I heard my brother a while back talking about how they tried to find proof in them. The scientists preforming the experiment wrote numbers on paper and put them face up in different sections of the room, and one person attempted to have an OBE. Theoretically if OBE's are real they should know what the number is on the paper. I forgot how the experiment turned out, but I think that people who claim they have had them are simply dreaming, as others said.

Originally Posted by Explode

OBE's are fairly easy to prove.... I forgot how the experiment turned out, but I think that people who claim they have had them are simply dreaming, as others said.

I heard about this. A women found the numbers while having an obe.
It's no prove for obe, because it could also be clairvoyance

These questions about evidence let me always recall Plato's Cave Allegory.
You can not prove for everyone. You first have to define exactly what you want.
If it is a prove for you if someone could read the numbers, then you should be
happy. Otherwise you should say exactly what you want.

Originally Posted by pepsibluefan

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Have you ever had an OBE before?

and I don't know why the sky is blue either

The sky is blue because gaseous molecules in the air absorb light from the sun. Light with smaller wavelengths (blue light) is absorbed more frequently. After absorbing the light, the molecules will then release them in random directions. In this way, blue light is scattered around the atmosphere more frequently than longer wavelengths, and so the sky appears to give off blue light.

Now, how is this related to OBE's again?

Originally Posted by Sorn

I heard about this. A women found the numbers while having an obe.
It's no prove for obe, because it could also be clairvoyance

The bigger move, masks the smaller one.
So...
...seeing as clairvoyancy is an illusion,
and obes are as well...
let's label her the one which she's not trying to prove.

Then let's beat her old-school style.
Back of the bus, bitch, with all those other non-conformists.

"And woe to him inside a nonconformist clique who does not conform
with nonconformity" - Eric Hoffer

Let's ignore the fallacy...
I feel like doing some labeling.