Lucid Dreaming and the Astral Plane

[ashsashes]

I've kinda poked around at some people's dream journals and I notice that they describe a sort of... nasty humming when they LD. I believe that's the sound of the lower astral plane... NOT a pleasant place to be. The lower astral plane is where nasty people go upon their deaths and where all sorts of really negative crap just festers, rests and torments the living. You know the feeling when you wake up from a nightmare and you feel like someone is standing over you? It's those lower bodies on that astral plane who are doing it. LDing is really something that needs a lot of guidance in order to be safe doing it. Prefferably from a mystic who is knowlegable in certain stones to place under your pillow to protect you and whatnot, certain techniques and meditations to help you get to the right place. Even certain esoteric christian artifacts will protect you. But when you jump into LDing and have an OBE, unless you're protected by the white light (which is surrounding you, not the almighty end) you're opening up your astral body to disease, sickness, mental illness and all other sorts of nasties that you will bring into your physical body upon awakening. Not to mention the lower astral plane is where people who trip on any sort of drug go first on their trips. It's just a whole Pandora's Box of badness. If anyone wants any suggestions on books to read, I reccomend Bruce Goldberg as an author. Just, please be careful with these things. There's a lot more to the earth and life than we are truly able to see... and a lot of that we really DO NOT want to be messing around with.

[Walfe]

You know the feeling when you wake up from a nightmare and you feel like someone is standing over you? It's those lower bodies on that astral plane who are doing it. I've had that feeling, if that statement is true, I'm creeped out. But it's really cool to know that now, thanks for the info.

[Axel]

Holy crap. Although a lot of people don't really believe in astral projection and things of that nature. So I don't really know what to believe.

[Fox]

That sounds to me like lucids from a religious point of view. In reality it's caused by sleep paralysis and more specifically hypnagogic hallucinations. It's to do with the chemistry of the brain (which I can't explain as it's most likely degree or even post-graduate level chemistry). I've never heard scientific proof that these planes exist, and without redefining science in it's entirity I don't see how thay could.

[ashsashes]

Science hasn't been able to capture a WIMP of Dark Matter, but does that mean it doesn't exist? And as far as the Astral Plane goes, it's one of the least "Religious" terminologies or theories. Sure, it's spiritual, but so are many things on this earth.

[U-mos]

it looks like you aren't reliable in your information. its true that religious artifacts can protect you. but i believe that the only real guidance you need is 'don't do something stupid' and its fairly easy form there. now if you want to get around then maybe it would be important to consult some one more experienced

[C911]

Holy crap. Although a lot of people don't really believe in astral projection and things of that nature. So I don't really know what to believe. Go try both LD and AP yourself, and believe what your results are

[Axel]

How would you even AP yourself in a LD?

[ashsashes]

LDing is a step into AP. Once you become aware of yourself in a subconscious manner you become able to step outside of your body. Yes, this is an OBE... but, seeing as how you're a substance that no human body can see... you aren't in the physical earth, are you? Therefore the astral plane is the only logical place you can be. Bruce Goldberg describes it much better in his book "Astral Travels"... at least I think that was the title, I've let my sister borrow it so I can't go and check. Basically a lot of things in our subconscious mind are connected to the Astral Plane. Most people just don't feel the need to venture on out into it. Lucid Dreaming is a step towards the kind of consciousness within our subconscious to get there. At least, that is what I've gathered from who I've talked with -Members of the Dowsers Association - and what I've read. I haven't been able to achieve an actual travel, but I lucid dream all the time.

[Shark Rider]

Now I'm freaked out!

[dream kitten]

It seems like a lot of LDers believe an AP is just a weird lucid dream or OBE. They are all very similar, in terms of being "mind awake/body asleep". According to my knowledge, WILDing techniques are very similar to those methods used to have an AP. In a lucid dream, the person becomes aware when they are asleep. To induce an AP, you're supposed to stay conscious as you fall asleep in order to seperate the body from the spirit... but usually, I think people who try to LD allow themselves to fall asleep and slip into the dream state, while APer's are trying to eject their body into the non-physical realm. I know it sounds a bit ridiculous, but I fully believe in APs. the only reason I'm learning to LD is so I can have an AP, which I believe is more advanced. In an AP, not everything can be manifested purely by will, as most things you encounter are "real". Also, people tend to start out in a room similar to the one they fell asleep in with an AP. I'm not very experienced with either, but a lot of people seem to get these confused.

[tfpo]

a mystic who is knowlegable in certain stones to place under your pillow to protect you I really think that a stone under a pillow would hurt more than help.