Mind Time Travel?...

[OnceADreamer]

So, I was reading some pages of a book that talked about traveling to past with your mind. Apparently, if this were true you can't mind travel to the future (only see it) and your memories of the past you have here would vanish, thus replaced with 'new' memories in this 'parallel universe'. The book is called "The Yoga of Time Travel: How the Mind can defeat Time" that has a lot on this. Now, some would say that you can change your "perception" of your past with a ripple effect on your present just based on memory and your recollection of what happened, but in this book, the author speaks of how you can literally "alter" your past. Kind've hard for me to take seriously, but I don't know for sure. So have any of you thought of the possibilities that there can be a way(s) to literally time travel and alter the past with a ripple effect on the present through deep meditation? And that there is such a thing as "parallel universes"?

[IZ]

I've read books on mind time travel too. But can't be sure that if you did travel back in time with your mind. That it was an actual time travel and not just yourself having visions of the past. Like how a coma patient relives his past when in a coma. Would be great if we had some people actualy succeed in this theory.

[Keiju]

"That it was an actual time travel and not just yourself having visions of the past." how are you sure you are not doing this now?

[High Hunter]

Maybe this talks about travelling to one's own past...and reflecting upon it...and perhaps, in a state of deep meditation, even change some of the events in your memory, in order to modify a behavior, habit, or state of mind caused by a certain memory? Just pondering, heheh.. Very interesting stuff though, thanks. I will look up the book.

[Through the Looking Glass]

Kind've hard for me to take seriously Kind of impossible for me to take seriously... what a crockpot author.

[G0MPgomp]

No need to defeat ..

[Exhalent]

Maybe we are in the future remembering what is happening now?

[saxonharp]

So, I was reading some pages of a book that talked about traveling to past with your mind. Apparently, if this were true you can't mind travel to the future (only see it) and your memories of the past you have here would vanish, thus replaced with 'new' memories in this 'parallel universe'. The book is called "The Yoga of Time Travel: How the Mind can defeat Time" that has a lot on this. Now, some would say that you can change your "perception" of your past with a ripple effect on your present just based on memory and your recollection of what happened, but in this book, the author speaks of how you can literally "alter" your past. Kind've hard for me to take seriously, but I don't know for sure. So have any of you thought of the possibilities that there can be a way(s) to literally time travel and alter the past with a ripple effect on the present through deep meditation? And that there is such a thing as "parallel universes"? Can't speak to parallel universes, but I have Journied back in time. I've never tried to go forward, but have definitely gone back. When one accesses the Nagual, one has access to all times and all places. During a Journey, I once visited my father when he was about 12 years old and helped bring back a part of his soul he had lost at that time. I've also helped a close friend who is about 64 go back to when she was six and do the same thing.

[moe007]

Can't speak to parallel universes, but I have Journied back in time. I've never tried to go forward, but have definitely gone back. When one accesses the Nagual, one has access to all times and all places. During a Journey, I once visited my father when he was about 12 years old and helped bring back a part of his soul he had lost at that time. I've also helped a close friend who is about 64 go back to when she was six and do the same thing. How?

[OnceADreamer]

How? I think he/she was joking. ...Right? Haha. IZ: I do know that yoga can be dangerous if not done correctly. Maybe the author was kookoo and all that deep meditation messed with his psyche? Because the author seems to believe in 'actual' time travel of the mind with a rippling effect on the present. It would def be great if someone succeeded, but then again...how would we know for sure if they did or didn't?

[saxonharp]

I think he/she was joking. ...Right? No. I wasn't joking at all. It's called soul retrieval and its a fundamental part of the Shaman's craft. Once you enter into the Nagual, you have access to all times and all places. Stepping into a time that happened 20 mintes ago is no different than stepping into a time that happened 20,000 years ago. From that vantage point, time and space are irrelevant. How do I know it was successful? My father (and friend both) confirmed the incidents that I witnessed during their healings which I could have had no way of knowing about and both have been healed as a result of retrieving that part of their souls.

[G0MPgomp]

No. I wasn't joking at all. It's called soul retrieval and its a fundamental part of the Shaman's craft. Once you enter into the Nagual, you have access to all times and all places. Stepping into a time that happened 20 mintes ago is no different than stepping into a time that happened 20,000 years ago. From that vantage point, time and space are irrelevant. How do I know it was successful? My father (and friend both) confirmed the incidents that I witnessed during their healings which I could have had no way of knowing about and both have been healed as a result of retrieving that part of their souls. True!

[nina]

No. I wasn't joking at all. It's called soul retrieval and its a fundamental part of the Shaman's craft. Once you enter into the Nagual, you have access to all times and all places. Stepping into a time that happened 20 mintes ago is no different than stepping into a time that happened 20,000 years ago. From that vantage point, time and space are irrelevant. How do I know it was successful? My father (and friend both) confirmed the incidents that I witnessed during their healings which I could have had no way of knowing about and both have been healed as a result of retrieving that part of their souls. huh?

[saxonharp]

huh? What part don't you understand? I'll happily clarify anything I can.

[13redfan]

What part don't you understand? I'll happily clarify anything I can. How about, for a start, how your father lost a piece of his soul? Where did it go? Who took it? Why only a piece and not all of it? What did this piece of his soul look like? Where did you find it? How did you get it back? How did he know it was gone? What was it like when he had a piece missing, and could he tell the difference when he got that piece back? Did he know his future son had come back in time to get the piece of soul? If you hadn't been able to retrieve the piece of his soul, what would have happened? How did you learn that your father had lost a piece of soul all that time ago, considering that he would have had a fully present soul at the time (when he was a child, his unborn son came back from the future and fetched his soul, so now as an adult his soul is there)? Did he tell you?

[Keiju]

hm some of these questions seem unfair, its like, having a baby, then asking the parents all kind of questions about how it happened, how did you know teh sperm and egg would fuse to make a baby, how did you direct the sperm to the egg, how did you get the sperm to fertilise the egg, how did the egg know when it was fertilised, how did you know the sperm succesfully fertilised the egg, where did you get the soul for this creature, etc etc, im sure he will try to answer to the best of his ability though, maybe in time he will be able to answer all of those questions, but your asking for him to write a book with all those questions,

[13redfan]

hm some of these questions seem unfair, its like, having a baby, then asking the parents all kind of questions about how it happened, how did you know teh sperm and egg would fuse to make a baby, how did you direct the sperm to the egg, how did you get the sperm to fertilise the egg, how did the egg know when it was fertilised, how did you know the sperm succesfully fertilised the egg, where did you get the soul for this creature, etc etc, im sure he will try to answer to the best of his ability though, maybe in time he will be able to answer all of those questions, but your asking for him to write a book with all those questions, Well, the difference is that with the baby, you understand what's going to happen when you put it in there, and how the baby will come about. Everyone knows, or has at least a basic idea, of how the egg is fertilized. But, I don't think I'm wrong in saying this, most people don't know where the soul for this creature comes from. And likewise, most people won't know the answers to majority of the questions I asked (I think). I'd really like to know the answers to those questions, sarcasm aside.

[Keiju]

But, I don't think I'm wrong in saying this, most people don't know where the soul for this creature comes from. And likewise, most people won't know the answers to majority of the questions I asked (I think). I'd really like to know the answers to those questions, sarcasm aside. if you ask a question, then the answer is limited by the limits imposed by the original question, the question is in linguistic language form so the answer is limited by the boundarys set within this language, since no word has an actual definition we can only go round in circles and hope we have enough objective reference points to have a vague understanding of what we're trying to communicate to each other the answer can have several meanings, he can tell you what he did, he can tell you how he did it, and even tell you why he did it, but he cannot tell you how he can do it.....what is it that allows me to percieve? what is existence? your questions are along this line of thinking?, ur questions seem answerable, just time consuming i like to babble on to clear things up in my own head =], id also be interested to see the answers to these questions, but much of what saxon talks about sounds like shaman stuff, alot of it sounds familiar from carlos castenadas books and they dont discuss this stuff in the manner you would like to, instead of questioning it, you just go with it and experience it, as much of it is still a mystery plus we're looking into a very subjective reality of saxons, the words he used, the stuff he did, its just a representational model of what he experienced, maybe someone else would experience what he did but in a much more "acceptable" manner, theres no point denying someones else subjective reality due to a discrepency in comparison to your own, When once you have tasted flight, You will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, For there you have been, And there you will always long to return gah beautiful, but i hate it, to taste flight or not? guess thats the whole point, we live in a reality of positive and negative balance,

[13redfan]

the answer can have several meanings, he can tell you what he did, he can tell you how he did it, and even tell you why he did it, but he cannot tell you how he can do it.....what is it that allows me to percieve? what is existence? your questions are along this line of thinking?, Let's not argue semantics, or try to sound clever. How did you learn that your father had lost a piece of soul Seems a simple enough question to me, nothing along the lines of "what is existence". Where did it go? If he found the soul, it logically follows that he must have known where it went. Again, simple enough. Why only a piece and not all of it? Agreed, perhaps he wouldn't know this one. But if you're gonna go flying through the nagual and collecting souls, I would imagine you have a little more knowledge than me, so perhaps this question is answerable even in said "linguistic boundaries". I could go on, but I think you get my point. I'm keen to hear is answers. Basically, I'm skeptic. If you claim to have gone back in time through the nagual, collected a piece of your father's missing soul, and returned it to him, I would think people are interested in hearing some juicy details, myself included. So, saxonharp, unless my questions are too linguistically and questionably limiting, please enlighten us

[Keiju]

im not trying to sound clever, if you percieve me to be trying to do so, then i can only take it as compliment

[Sandform]

It's called soul retrieval and its a fundamental part of the Shaman's craft. No offense but so is taking psychotropic drugs (or plants).

[Keiju]

No offense but so is taking psychotropic drugs (or plants). i dont understand this, if you take a sleeping pill and it makes you sleepy does that mean the sleepy feeling is different from the one you naturally feel without the pills? the states that are induced by these plants can be attained without their use,

[saxonharp]

How about, for a start, how your father lost a piece of his soul? Where did it go? Who took it? Why only a piece and not all of it? What did this piece of his soul look like? Where did you find it? How did you get it back? How did he know it was gone? What was it like when he had a piece missing, and could he tell the difference when he got that piece back? Did he know his future son had come back in time to get the piece of soul? If you hadn't been able to retrieve the piece of his soul, what would have happened? How did you learn that your father had lost a piece of soul all that time ago, considering that he would have had a fully present soul at the time (when he was a child, his unborn son came back from the future and fetched his soul, so now as an adult his soul is there)? Did he tell you? Thanks for asking. These are all great questions. Sorry it took me a couple days to realize you'd asked them. Let me start to answer with a story: A few years ago, I was on vacation with my family down in Florida. We were sitting on the beach, soaking up the sun. I was lying there on my beach towel, listening to the susuratation of the waves surging back and forth against the shore, the sound of the gulls crying just above our heads, the wind whishing through the scrub plants on the dunes behind us, and my six year-old daughter going, "Daddy! Daddy! Daddy!" over and over again. Now, don't get me wrong; I love my daughter immensely. But at that moment, all I wanted was to relax and let the sounds, smells, and feelings of warm sun and wind brush my skin. I did NOT want to play with sand castles, frisbees, or beach balls. Selfish I know, but even a parent has to be a little selfish every once in a while. So, there I was, trying to figure out a way to keep my daughter entertained enough that I could get just a few more minutes to myself before I had to jump back into the role of Daddy again. And it hit me: I picked up a plastic mesh bag that had contained some sandcastle molds we had gotten on our way to the beach. I handed her the bag and told her, "Here honey... go fill this up with sand and bring it back. We'll build a sand castle with the sand you bring back." My daughter grabbed the bag and ran off, excited to gather the sand. Thinking how clever I was to have engaged her in a task that was almost impossible - (I mean, how was anyone going to carry sand in mesh bag??) - I settled down for what I figured was at least another ten minutes of relaxation before she got too frustrated and I'd have to go be dad again. Imagine my surprise then, when my daughter, who couldn't have weighed more than 60 pounds herself, comes back in less than three or four minutes and drops what must have been 20 pounds sand in a mesh bag on my chest. She had gone to surf where the sand was wet, packed the wet sand into the mesh bag, tamped it together, and lifted it in her arms to carry back to me by the dunes. The water in the sand had increased the cohesional coefficient of the sand to the point where it could be contained by the mesh. The soul is just like that. It is a form of energy that permeates our physical existance like water in a sponge. And like sand in a mesh bag, or water in a sponge, it leaks out bit by bit all the time. That's called "aging". Sometimes we lose larger portions of our souls and that manifests as illness. Then, sometimes, we lose big chunks of our souls through trauma - either physical or emotional. Those are called "emotional scars" or "Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder" and manifest in a thousand different ways. A small soul loss early in life may not be traumatic in and of itself, and may not be the result of any huge tragedy, but it can cause a person to behave in a way that is self-destructive over time. What a Shaman does in soul retrieval, is to go to the point where that part of the soul was lost and help it return to the physical being; like packing sand back into a bag and adding a little water to help it stay there. In the case of my father and friend, I went, with the aid of my Guides and Benefactor, to the point in their lives where there was a trauma that separated part of their soul. I brought that part of the soul back and reintegrated it with their physical being - again, like "repacking" their bag of sand. I knew - and they knew - it was successful because they felt and knew that part of their spirit had returned and the illnesses and emotional problems and the bad behaviors they had been suffering from since they lost that part of their soul were no longer issues for them. They were healed. To Sandform: Ingesting certain sacred herbs and plants to gain their Medicine as Allies is certainly one way some Shamans perform their role. Not all Shamans do this, not all need to. But it is, when done with honor, respect, integrity and intent, a very effective means of working in the spirit realm.