Astral Projection achieved.

[TheCheat]

hey guys, last night is the second time I have achieved astral projection or out of body experience. The first time happened about a month or so ago after me and my buddy had a long session of blazing chronic. It ended around 2 am. After about a good 20-30 minutes I suddenly woke up in the feeling that my body started going up, "floating" if you will, slowly. The same happened last night. But this time, I woke up 5 hours after i feel asleep and stayed an for a good hour drinking hot chocolate and surfing in diffirent lucid dreaming sites. When i decided to back to sleep, I focused on deep breating and focused my energy on my chi. I dont know exactly when but i suddenly "woke up" in a feeling of "floating" sensation, and my first thought was "here we go again...", it was sweet because I had logical thinking and everything. I was floating in my room in my own command. The experience is just so surreal. My room looked very different but yet the same. Last night I tried looking back at my body when I was in the ceiling floating, something I've never tried prior to last night, but there was NO BODY. I could see my bed, my lamp, but not a body. But something that bothers me though is that I can't get out of my room, I tried going thru the ceiling and the walls but the other side is nothing but abyss. It's just "black", this kinda scared me. Another thing about this experience is I had logical thinking, sort of, because I realized I was having an OBE while it was happening and I floated wiht my own command, but I still wasn't able to get out of my room. anybody had similar experience? It's funny because I've been trying to have lucid dream for awhile now, practicing differnt techniques because they said the lucid dreaming is like "stepping stone" before astral projection. And it's funny because every night, my goal is to lucid dream not to OBE, but so far I had 1-time experience of lucid dreaming and 2-time experience with astral projection in my lifetime. If, someone had a similar experience of being trap in your room while out of body, and think you can help me out on this issue, feel free to reply

[Crucible]

The reason you could not leave your room is because it was an astral projection, not an OOBE. You were inside your head in that experience. In an OOBE you are supposed to be technically outside your body. In an OOBE everything should look exactly as it would otherwise.

[nina]

I'm still not really sure about the whole OOBE thing or Astral Projection thing? I've had weird experiences also where I will find myself floating in my room. One experience I floated out of my body, and up through the many layers of ceiling and up through the roof...eventually I started floating up through rooms that weren't even there and when I looked down I could see about 20 layers of rooms that I had floated through and my room at the bottom level was just a reflection in a beautiful christams tree ornament. I'm just saying, that what you might think of as an AP, or OOBE...could really just be another form of lucid dreaming. A different time I floated out of my body, I had no control, something was pulling me, my arms were outstretched...I floated up off my bed, rotated 90 degrees so that I looked like Christ on the cross sort of, and floated forward...expepecting to go through my wall, I instead, just kept bumping into my closet and couldn't get out of my room either. I've also had many experiences where I have tried to "climb" out of my body during that light trance-ish sp vibrational state...all resulting in fake obe like experiences. I'm just saying...call it whatever you want...but you can't really put a label on stuff like this.

[Crucible]

And you can't remove a label from things such as these. Trying to disprove theory with theory is impossible and stupid.

[TheCheat]

And you can't remove a label from things such as these. Trying to disprove theory with theory is impossible and stupid.[/b] haha thank you!. thanks for the input, but i seriously don't think the experience was all in my head, And besides, what makes you think OOBE/OBE/Astral projection experienced by others is the same with you. OOBE/OBE/Astral projection,lucid dream is all a phenomena of sleep. and most of the things we know about it is infact just theories since the study about these subjects are very limited. I'm just saying that what I have experienced twice is fairly damn close of how people desccribe astral projection. I mean, the experience was sooo surreal. When it happened the first time, i was still really skeptical and didn't even talk about it much, but after my second experience happened, I was sure that I have achieved something I haven't been able to do before. While "floating" around, I coulda sworn I had an almost full logical thinking, something I can't do in a dream. I've been reading up and practicing Lucid Dreaming for quite awhile now but I've only done that once, and after I became lucid, i woke up, but not while i was "astral projecting", i knew I was floating and I controled where i floated, I spun and scanned the room wiht my own command. I have experience with hullucenigenic substances, I know the feeling of a lucid dream, but the nearest "feeling" that i felt when I was astral projecting is what i feel right now, perfectly sober and confused. haha But damn, I wish I could get out of my room and fly around.

[nina]

Sometimes when you get stuck in your room like that you have to do something logical (I know it makes no sense). But go to the window, open it...and fly out. Sometimes that's the only way I can get out...if the door isn't working for some reason.

[Crucible]

The reason astral projection and lucid dreaming are seperated, is because when I say OOBE I actually mean leaving the body. Maybe I should call it an out of body projection instead. With astral projection you often will have an OOBE, but not actually leave your body. If you believe in any kind of afterlife, then you should believe that leaving the body is possible. Without standards on what an OOBE is and what an AP is, people would tend to get the two mixed up. I wish I had some links handy to refer you do AP/OOBE forums I have seen in the past. They are really good at telling you the difference between the two. Here on this forum we have a huge group of people who constantly post that it is not possible, etc etc. Then you have the people who actually had an OOBE and not just an AP or LD. These people are probably somewhere around 1% of the people that claim they actually did. The rest are all of the people who often get OOBE and AP mixed up. We need a specific definition for them, as I often try to push onto people. Take blackholes for instance. It may just be theory that they exist, but we do give it a name and definition to avoid confusion between other unknowns in space. Astral projection should be taken right from the way it sounds. Astral or astral plane has to do with the dream world. Now astral projection should then mean forcing oneself onto the astral plane. You may have done this by accident once already, but with practice, you can do this whenever you want through meditation. An out of body experience is one that has problems. People will generally try to say that any experience that causes you to feel like you leave your body is an OOBE. This should be true, so this needs to be seperated into two subcategories. There should be OOBP (projection) and general OOBEs. Now for OOBPs, I would refer to the actual physical detachment from your body as it would happen during death. For everyone that this occurs, it should be exactly the same. It would be the same as comparing actually waking up from sleeping. I actually have had one of these, only once. There are other times I have tried and failed. It is very difficult to achieve. Now after I had this experience I decided to go and look it up. I found that everyone claiming to have had this experience, had the same exact results as I had. This tells me that it most likey was me actually leaving my body. This also makes it impossible to prove without someone else actually having experienced it. It is like nothing you would have happen to you in the waking or dreaming world. Only in an actual OOBP can you know what it is like. People getting into bad "accidents" often claim they had a NDE. This would be their body forcing the "soul" out, instead of you consciously pulling it out in an OOBP. In the OOBP I had, I had the strangest feeling of having no body. This was not like being weightless in a LD. It was so much different and it almost impossible to describe the feeling. Just like any other form of energy, you can sense heat. You do become etheral however so you pass through everything as if it was not there. To move you simply will yourself to go. From what I can tell, there is no limit to how fast you can move. Another thing about this is, you will remember it like it actually happened in real life, because I think it really did. Because OOBPs are actually leaving one's body, the experience should be very similar to this. Now of course, this is all theory, but from what I have experienced, it has been proven for me. I hope this information helps. Also, before anyone starts replying with posts just claiming they are not true, remember that would be no different than trying to argue about God existing. Because this requires the experience to believe in, it would be pointless to argue it. It would be like trying to argue with someone who thinks he met God. Chances are he is crazy, but it is going to be next to impossible to prove him wrong.

[nina]

Thanks for trying to clarify that...I am extremely open-minded. I believe in LDs, APs, OOBEs, even shared dreaming, etc. I think anything and eveything can be possible. But it DOES get annoying when people tend to have mixed definitions of what exactly an AP is or an OBE is...etc. It is pretty much impossible to put definitions on these things, though I appreciate your attempts to, and I pretty much agree with it...for the most part. I defer on a few things...but that's to be expected.

[Waking Life]

I've never heard that before, I always thought that OBE's and AP were the same. I just figured that there were different names for the same experience, or that OBE's was more accidental while AP was intentially seperating out the astral body. I don't think that AP is "in the head" though. By your definition (isn't one I know) OBE is really leaving your body, and AP is more of a mental world (dream,) but I disagree. OBE is the same as AP as far as I know. When you first leave your body the world looks "normal," as in what we see with our physical eyes, but we can raise our vibrations to begin to see and explore the astral plains. I think the above example was more then likely falling into a lucid dream pool, not an AP or OBE.

[Crucible]

In an astral projection, it should look like the normal world at first. When you roll yourself out of your body where do you expect to me? You know you are in your room, so that is what you see first. Of course, since this is a dream world or in your head, whichever you believe, things will change from reality. Now, in an out of body projection as I call it, would be physically leaving your body. You obviously have not experienced this yet. You may have had experiences of leaving your body in dreams, I have too. This is different, much different. Anyways, nothing else to say here...

[Waking Life]

OBE/AP agree's with physics string theory as well.

[z-stars]

I just wonder... why people who think that have "real" OBEs never check to see if they are really true OBE's? Just going to a shelf with some books and reading some titles twice (to see if they change) and trying to remember the order (to check when you wake up) should do.

[Kaniaz]

Originally posted by Waking Life OBE/AP agree's with physics string theory as well. You can find any theory that agrees with another theory. Put two and two together and get five.

[bradybaker]

Originally posted by Waking Life OBE/AP agree's with physics string theory as well. I happen to know a fair bit about string theory. Would you care to elaborate on that statement?

[SleepSpirit]

I don't think u would see anything really in an actual OBE... because, your leaving your Body, it would be something complelty different.. just a feeling.. maybe a few glimpses and smells and.. it would be soo unbelievably different... . The thing i like about lucid dreaming, is that it has been proven, (they did some studies in sleep labs where they hooked EEGs up to people who said they could lucid dream.. . they had the people go to sleep and told them when they're lucid in their dream to do a sequence of eye movements or breathing patterns, like left left right left right, or somethin.. i dunno, to show, that they were conscious in their dream world, and they did it.. the eeg showed typical dream brain freqencies. theta or wahtev, proving they were in a dream.. and lucid..) so when ever someones tries to argue lucid dreaming.. I can bring that to the table.. unlike OBEs there's nothing.. not saying obes aren't possibe just.. i duno, i don't think anyone here can do them with any control, sorry guys, but i don't. I typically fall....as a oppose to float, and floating and falling does seem a lot different.. but that's just the dream world.. that's how it works.... . it's a fickle thing,

[Number 6]

I started having WILD/OBE's by accident when I started using what I thought was a technique to help me get back to sleep. It was actually a WILD inducing technique. The first time I tried it, I had an "OBE". I got up and saw "myself" in bed. I didn't know what to do so I just thought of someone that I wanted to see. I floated through the wall to the outside but like "TheCheat", it was all black for me as well and I woke up. This was the only OBE I've had in which I felt that I was floating all of the time. In all of my other OBE's, I walk, jump, or fly...no drifting or floating! The next time I had a WILD/OBE, I got up once again, looked at myself, but then leaped through my bedroom window to the grass outside. I lifted my arms and flew away. There were all kinds of strange aircraft in the sky with me, including the flying Chinese Junk from the movie: "The Fifth Element"...hardly reality but a very cool dream. I don't know how to classify these things and with all due respect to everyone, it doesn't matter to me what they are called. I just hope I never stop having them! 6