Help, trouble with OBE?

[nina]

Hey guys....I don't usually post in this section but I have been having lucids nearly everyday now, usually several at a time...and would like to try an OBE but don't exactly know how. I am wondering why there are no tutorials about this. Anyway, while I was lying there after a lucid, ready to re-enter it or go into another one I thought I would try to get "out of my body" so as I lay there in this trance-like state I sit up and see my arm lying there, I have to keep telling myseld "that is someone else's arm" or else I couldn't get any further out of my body and the same goes for waist etc. I've tried this a few times but when I see my body lying there and I know its my body its like I can't get out. But this time by telling myself it was someone else's body I was able to get out...completely...I got out of bed and hesitantly turned around expecting to see myself lying there...but it was someone else...and completely random person...so obviously this couldn't have been an OBE. So I went ahead and enjoyed my lucid. After enjoying a few rounds of short lucids I came back to this trance like state and tried something simple, like raising my right arm...my eyes we closed and I raised my arm, I could feel it in the air...but when I slightly opened my eyes...there I was laying in bed as usual...arms at my sides. What does all this mean? Could someone with some experience help me out? Am I going about this all wrong? Thanks for reading...

[wer]

Preparing for projection Astral projection is a wonderful experience. But how do you do it? How do you prepare? Learning astral projection will take practice and discipline, but its worth it. First things first, why do you want to project? To comfort you about death? To experience something new? To enhance your psychic abilities? Or just to be able to tell your friends? Whatever the reason is, it must be a good one that will make you want to project. If you don’t want to project on purpose, you most likely won’t. OK. Now on to the second perpetration, fear. Fear will come between you and your goal many times, and its normal, but if you want to get any ware, you must eliminate these fears. There is no way to harm yourself in astral projection. Demons can’t take over your body, so don’t worry about that. You project every night while asleep without knowing, so if demons could take us over, it would have happened already, to billions of people. Fear is not the only thing that can stop you from projecting. There is also religion. The thing about projection being a sin. Well that’s simply not true. Nothing in the bible states that projection is a bad thing. Also, projection does not prove God is fake. Many see Angels while projecting into higher astral plains. Hopefully now your belief’s have changed a little, so lets go on. Relaxation On your quest to learn astral projection, relaxation plays a very important role. You must relax your entire physical body to enter the trance state. How to relax? Try this: - First I suggest a hot bath, or a good workout, to relax your mussels. This will prepare you for deep relaxation. - After you bath and/or workout, find a comfortable place to sit or lay down. Get in a comfortable position. - After your in your position, tense your feet and toes for five seconds, loosen them. Do this slowly up your body. Up to your thighs, buttocks, stomach, back, hands, arms, chin, neck, eyes, and cheeks. Then tense all your body parts at the same time, then loosen. Do this till you are totally relaxed. - Practice everyday and you will soon be able to relax without the exercises. - Good! You’ve completed the relaxation process! You have the relaxation down. Good work! Now to the next step. Clearing your mind After relaxation, you need to clear your mind. You always have annoying surface thoughts going through your mind. With practice, you can shut down your surface thoughts, and clear your mind. Surface thoughts are those random thoughts going through you mind (e.g. Today sucked. I need to walk my dog! What’s for dinner? Damn I got to go to work tomorrow!). These thoughts were my biggest obstacle on my quest to have a astral projection. For beginners, I suggest focusing on one thought or picture, such as picturing a square. This will put you in a trance state. But you have to try to block out you surface thoughts. Here’s what it should be like: Surface thought: I need to walk my dog! Day one: “I need to walk my do... Day two: “I need to walk my… Day three: “I need to wal… Day four: “I need t… Day five: “I ne… Day six: “I… Day seven: “???” The time this takes to clear you mind may vary, but if you really try you can get it done in a week. Having a clear surface mind my feel strange at first because of the silence, but learn to enjoy the peace. Once your done with clearing your surface mind, move on to the next step. Entering the trance state After clearing your mind, you need to enter the trance state. In our store we will soon have a tape to aid you in entering the trance state. But for now you’ll have to do it alone. Below are some techs for entering the trance state. Tech #1: This is the first tech on entering the trance state. First, relax your whole body by using the tensing tech. Now, clear your surface mind. After your surface thoughts are gone, picture a image in your head. Just one image. The background should be all white or all black. Hold this till other images appear. When they do, you are in the trance state. Tech #2: This is the second tech on entering the trance state. First, relax your whole body, as you do in the first tech. Now, lay on your back. Lift the upper part of either arm and keep it up. Once it falls, it will wake you up into the trance state. Note: This next thing I'm going to share uses the HILD tech, I know, I know, but thats the best way to enter the lucid state (I think at least ). Astral Projection and/or Lucid Dreaming Tech: This works best if you are EXTREMELY tired. So tired that if you closed your eyes you would fall strait asleep. So, either stay up till 5:00 am or set your alarm clock to go off after about 5 hours of sleep. You will wake up very tired. Just make sure that when you wake, you don’t move. After you’ve woken up, immediately close your eyes and start to move two of your fingers. Do moving as slightly as you can. After 10-30 seconds, plug your nose with your fingers and try to breath from your nose. If you can breath clearly, your in a dream, and knowing that you will turn lucid. Now, you have to choices: - Stay in your lucid dream and do whatever you want (See “Lucid dreaming” page) - Wake your mind from your dream and pop out from your body. If you want a astral projection, wake up your mind. You will pop out from your body!

[nina]

First of all, thank you for answering my post so in depth, much appreciated...but I still don't think I have the info I need...In my quest for lucidity it sounds like I have already done everything you have explained. I am able to ignore those annoying thoughts by thinking of a tranquil pond...everytime a thought enters my mind the pond ripples, the more my thoughts are the more the pond is rippling and I can work to quiet them down until the pond is completely serene with no ripples. I've had WILDs this way and entered lucid dreams. But I still don't know how to OBE...I don't understand what you mean when you say either go lucid or "wake up your mind and pop out of your body"...I've completely followed everything you've said up until that point, and that's the most important part...how exactly to AP or OBE??? I've been at that stage where I am able to choose to become lucid or not, and when I choose not, I don't "pop out of anywhere", I try to sit up to get out of my body but it doesn't seem to be working.

[Howie]

I am certainly no expert when it comes to OBE"s. But could it be as simple as not believing you can. All the same principle of Lucid dreaming - trying to hard bla bla bla. Maybe when you get this feeling you need to let go. Are you relaxed when you reach "the point?" I have only had two and they were brief. because I new what was happening, or so I thought, I let it flow which led my mind to seperate from my body. It was bizzare. well good luck. Maybe try the search method -OBE's under the beyond dreaming Forum.

[Sparky]

OBEs are not real. Its a dream or a drug induced hallucenation. I've had one.

[nina]

Originally posted by Sparky OBEs are not real. Its a dream or a drug induced hallucenation. I've had one. Ok guys...I'm interested in getting others feedback about this now. Sparky, that is just your opinion...as for me...I'm not sure. Maybe its hard to believe in something we have never experienced? You say you've had one...then how can you say they aren't real? You are contradicting yourself.

[imported_Berserk_Exodus]

Originally posted by Sparky OBEs are not real. Its a dream or a drug induced hallucenation. I've had one. If you've actually had one then how does the dream/hallucination account for the immense sensations whenever trying to do a wake induced OBE? My OBEs are much more rational and clear than my dreams or lucid dreams. I DO in fact know the difference because my dreams are usually VERY degraded in visual parts of them. I have spent months on (and mostly off) messing with meditation and my energy body and I am absolutely sure they are real. I've had dramatic sensations in a completely concious state where my body felt like it was spinning out of control (close to the described state of Vertigo) and others where my bones felt energy surges so deep I had to stop because it tickled too much. What were the conditions of your OBE? (Or dream/hallucination)

[Sparky]

Originally posted by lucidnina+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lucidnina)</div> <!--QuoteBegin-Sparky OBEs are not real. Its a dream or a drug induced hallucenation. I've had one. Ok guys...I'm interested in getting others feedback about this now. Sparky, that is just your opinion...as for me...I'm not sure. Maybe its hard to believe in something we have never experienced? You say you've had one...then how can you say they aren't real? You are contradicting yourself.[/b] I'm not contradicting myself at all, lol. I said that they were hallucenations or dreams, not actual reality.

[nina]

Originally posted by Sparky+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sparky)</div> Originally posted by lucidnina@ <!--QuoteBegin-Sparky OBEs are not real. Its a dream or a drug induced hallucenation. I've had one. Ok guys...I'm interested in getting others feedback about this now. Sparky, that is just your opinion...as for me...I'm not sure. Maybe its hard to believe in something we have never experienced? You say you've had one...then how can you say they aren't real? You are contradicting yourself. I'm not contradicting myself at all, lol. I said that they were hallucenations or dreams, not actual reality.[/b] Well, that is YOUR opinion, do not try to sound like the authority on something you know nothing about. If your OBE was a "dream or drug induced hallucination" then you've never had one. Anyone that knows anything about OBEs knows that they are different than dreams. Can someone with some experience with this help me out here??

[Sparky]

I wasnt trying to sound like an authority. I was just saying my opinion, believe what you want http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/...olsc.outofbody/ Just some random bit. Its my opinion, I wasnt trying to convince you not to. lol, sorry. Maybe my skeptism is because my obe basically sucked? It was a dream, I'm pretty sure. Maybe what I experianced wasnt the real thing, as it didn't feel real.

[Sparky]

http://www.robertpeterson.org/keys.html http://www.near-death.com/experiences/para...ranormal11.html http://www.spiritual.com.au/articles/astra...obe3_jasmed.htm http://www.spiritual.com.au/articles/astra...obe1_jasmed.htm http://brain.web-us.com/oobe/oobe.htm Did a little peekin around on google for you

[imported_Berserk_Exodus]

You never told me the conditions of your supposed OBE. Wake-induced OBEs are real as my current perceptions in the concious waking state. In the solipsistic sense you pretty much could argue that they are as real as anything else regardless because you're still experiencing them just like with the dream state. But the argument itself is pointless because truth can only be found for one's self.

[Sparky]

I wasnt trying to sound like an authority. I was just saying my opinion, believe what you want http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/...olsc.outofbody/ Just some random bit. Its my opinion, I wasnt trying to convince you not to. lol, sorry. Maybe my skeptism is because my obe basically sucked? It was a dream, I'm pretty sure. Maybe what I experianced wasnt the real thing, as it didn't feel real. I said. But the argument itself is pointless because truth can only be found for one's self. Exactly. Lucidnina: I'm sure there are more people around the forum who will post in here and help you out.[/quote]

[nina]

Hey thanks for the feeback and the links...I'm just trying to figure out how the heck to do it, if it's even possible.

[Sparky]

Hell, its definitely possible... maybe ill even try to have them

[CT]

Most methods to induce OBE's are strikingly similair to the WILD technique. This and my own experience with a WILD/OBE lead me to believe that those experiences are a different form of Lucid Dreaming. Dreams work so much on your anticipation and expectations, if you think you're having an OBE, the 'symptoms' will most likely be exactly like the experiences/tutorials/books you have read and so the myth perpetuates itself. People are just really keen on believing in it because its such a neat concept and seems to validate most peoples beliefs about souls and spirits. I highly doubt OBE's are real, but even if they are I really dont think you can induce them in the way most books and websites claim you can.

[nina]

Originally posted by CT I highly doubt OBE's are real, but even if they are I really dont think you can induce them in the way most books and websites claim you can. After looking around, I'm starting to think like you on this one...unless someone is able to convince me otherwise? I'm always open-minded...

[imported_Berserk_Exodus]

Originally posted by CT Most methods to induce OBE's are strikingly similair to the WILD technique. This and my own experience with a WILD/OBE lead me to believe that those experiences are a different form of Lucid Dreaming. Dreams work so much on your anticipation and expectations, if you think you're having an OBE, the 'symptoms' will most likely be exactly like the experiences/tutorials/books you have read and so the myth perpetuates itself. People are just really keen on believing in it because its such a neat concept and seems to validate most peoples beliefs about souls and spirits. I highly doubt OBE's are real, but even if they are I really dont think you can induce them in the way most books and websites claim you can. One could argue the same but in reverse. What if WILDs are astral projections? Arguing the metaphysical has no progressive result.

[Sparky]

But...doesnt SP make a whole lot more sense science-wise than leaving your physical body?

[imported_Berserk_Exodus]

Neurology is a very new science. There's a lot that's unknown, science does not explain all. Just being more scientifically plausible does not make it true. May make it more likely, but not set in stone.

[Awaken]

Originally posted by lucidnina After looking around, I'm starting to think like you on this one...unless someone is able to convince me otherwise? I'm always open-minded... I reserve a little faith on the premise that OBE's are in fact real...The government has apparently used remote-viewing techniques to gather information about enemy whereabouts or other information, with striking accuracy. There was also a story a while back here on DV where the member's son was able to astral project, and could describe things he hadn't seen, which in fact turned out to be true. I don't want to take it all as gospel but it lends credibility. It's usually difficult to believe stories. Better to find out for yourself

[Kaniaz]

Originally posted by Awaken There was also a story a while back here on DV where the member's son was able to astral project, and could describe things he hadn't seen, which in fact turned out to be true. Heh. I reserve a little faith on the premise that OBE's are in fact real...The government has apparently used remote-viewing techniques to gather information about enemy whereabouts or other information, with striking accuracy.[/b] Nah, the project was discontinued because the results weren't of any use.

[Awaken]

Hmm I thought they had some convincing data? Oh well, faith it is then...

[Xisdence]

Since Obe and Astral Projection are similar, i thought id copy a definition from Astralpulse. The OOBE (out of body experience) is a real time projection close to the physical world. This often occurs as part of a near death experience. This is where a person is knocked out of their body as a result of some kind of severe trauma, i.e. car accident, surgery, heart attack, child birth etc. OOBE'ers are aware of things happening in the real world, in real time; such as conversations and events centred around, or near to, their physical body. In many cases, these events and conversations are accurately reported by the person after they have returned to their body. Note: The OOBE is slightly different from astral projection or lucid dreaming because of its real time, objective aspect. This is caused by the astral body containing a large amount of etheric matter, which holds it close to the physical world. There are two main causes of real time OOBE: A person's body is near death, or thinks it is, which causes a large amount of etheric matter to be channelled into the astral body in preparation for the death process. The person has active chakras which are doing a similar thing,i.e. channelling etheric matter into the astral body. Having active chakras can be a natural ability, or it can be developed by training. Note: You can project consciously, and have a real time OOBE if enough etheric matter is generated by the chakras. In an OOBE, reality is perceived as objective (real) and time is normal (real time). Technically, when you project into the physical world in real time as in an OOBE, it is really into the boundary area of the buffer zone, between the physical and astral dimensions. If the astral body contains enough etheric matter it can exist only slightly out of phase from reality. This means the projection is in real time and so close to the physical dimension as to be indistinguishable from it. Note: I have checked this many times, by projecting, in real time, during the day and scouting my local area for road works, accidents, incidents etc, then verifying the accuracy of my findings afterwards. There are strong natural barriers to conscious, real time projection, the OOBE, in the physical world. The amount of etheric matter generated and channelled to the astral body, is one of them. It limits the duration of any real time projection to the degree of chakra development and control. The Astral Projection This is where the astral body is projected into the astral dimension, where things are quite different from the real world. Time is distorted and extended, i.e., an hour in the astral can be like a few minutes in the physical dimension, depending on what part of the astral you are in. Reality is fluid and changeable. The Lucid Dream This is where a person becomes fully aware that they are dreaming during a dream. They either take some kind of conscious control over the course of events, or they convert the experience into an astral projection. Lucid dreaming is more similar to an astral projection than to an OOBE, as time and reality are distorted. Astral Projection Or Lucid Dream? Many astral projectors black out before making a conscious exit from their body and return to awareness in the astral dimension. You become aware after the actual separation from the physical body and are usually already in the astral dimension. If you miss the conscious exit from your body you are technically having a lucid dream, not an astral projection as you have become aware after separation. The astral is the closest dimension to the physical. It overlays and permeates the world like a huge mind net, catching and holding all thought. Its contents are created by the collective consciousness of the world mind. It contains all the thoughts, memories, fantasies, and dreams of every living thing in the world. In it, the laws of sympathetic attraction, or like attracts like, causes this ocean of mind stuff to strata and settle into layers or pools. These pools of thought are more commonly called astral planes, astral worlds, astral sub planes or astral realms. The astral dimension is composed of astral matter and is aptly described as mind stuff. It is extremely sensitive to thought and can be moulded into any shape or form. These creations can be so perfect as to be indistinguishable from reality. ok after all that copy and paste, here is the link to be able to Obe http://www.astralpulse.com/guides/oobe/oobe_3.htm This following technique is mainly used for astral projection, but i believe it's just as useful for an Obe. Ive used it a few times, and the first time it had a huge impact. Astral Rope A key ingredient to the new projection techniques is an invisible, imaginary ROPE hanging from your ceiling. This ROPE will be used to exert dynamic pressure at a single point on your astral body to force its separation from the physical. The ROPE technique is similar, but more direct and hence more effective than other more passive and indirect methods, such as reaching out and pulling vibrations into you, or visualizing yourself in front of yourself. The idea of pulling vibrations into you is vaguely illogical, if you understand the mechanics of projection. The vibrations are an effect and NOT a cause of projection. When enough pressure is exerted on the astral body to loosen it sufficiently, the energy body expands and energy flows through the chakra system to be stored in the energy body. This flow of energy through the hundreds of chakras and their connecting web, or meridians, CAUSES these vibrations. This normally happens, unnoticed, during sleep. Putting The Pressure On The more passive, indirect methods of projection do exert some pressure on the astral body to separate, but over a wide area. They still shift the point of consciousness out of the body, albeit obtusely. Any mental action that exteriorizes the point of consciousness will exert some pressure on the astral body. The action of pulling yourself hand over hand up a rope is a strong, one pointed, natural action that is easy to imagine yourself doing. The ROPE technique concentrates ALL your mental resources into one strong, DYNAMIC action which exerts a high level of pressure directly on a single point of the astral body. There are many other, more subtle, ways that exert pressure on the astral body as well. Many of these are unsuspected for what they are. Most meditation exercises, for example, exert PASSIVE pressure on the astral body. You may imagine you are going down in a lift, falling, climbing down a ladder, or just floating downwards. Whatever the technique, it is designed to reduce brain activity. Any self induced, inward falling sensation places passive pressure on the astral body, which will cause brain activity to lower and bring on the trance state where a deeper level of the mind is revealed. The action of inward falling obtusely shifts the consciousness out of the body, exerting passive pressure on the astral body over a wide area, but in the reverse to that needed for projection, i.e., general downwards pressure. This, in a way, is like trying to get your astral body to FALL out of your physical body on its own, i.e., your point of consciousness tries to FALL, downwards, out of the physical body. What most people do to project is to either exert forward, passive pressure on the astral body, by visualizing themselves floating out of themselves, and HOPE, they can make it happen, i.e., trigger the projection reflex. Or, they try a more direct method, such as visualizing themselves out of their body, which is very, very, difficult. Lets face it, 99% of people can't visualize for peanuts and the act of mentally visualizing yourself OUT of your body, AND shifting your consciousness INTO this visualization is almost impossible for most people. The other popular method is to try to pull vibrations into you. This method is slightly more effective than most as it exerts some pressure at a single point, but it is still an indirect mental action and, therefore, obtuse. All the above, and the general lack of information about the mechanics of projection, i.e., HOW it happens, accounts for the extremely high failure rate amongst people learning to project. Holding passive pressure, over a wide area, on the astral body, for long enough, WILL activate the projection reflex, eventually. But this can take a long time and can be mentally exhausting. I have developed, through recent research, a better, faster and more dynamic method of projection that is very effective. I call this technique simply ROPE. It is not that using an imaginary rope for projection is such a new idea, it's not, but the understanding of the mechanics of it and the application of this knowledge to ROPE is. If you fully understand how a thing works, you can use that thing more efficiently and, therefore, get better results. The new ROPE method overcomes the general misdirection of mental resources and the chronic waste of mental energy caused by the usual lengthy procedures needed for projection. ROPE shortens the time needed to cause a projection and optimizes the use of available energy. One of the most important ingredients for a successful projection is to be properly motivated. Without this motivation you will not have enough mental energy to succeed and will either fall asleep or forget the projection afterwards. It is, therefore, important to keep preparation time as short as possible so it is not such a daunting and mentally exhausting task. One thing a new projector has in abundance is enthusiasm. Enthusiasm is pure mental energy. ROPE, plus the understanding of HOW it works, harnesses and makes better use of this energy resource and vastly improves the success rate. How To Use ROPE This is a complete projection method in itself, if you have good powers of concentration. I suggest beginners concentrate solely on this method until they have more experience. This projection method will give you a normal Astral projection. The duration of this projection, in real time, will depend on the level of chakra development and energy flow you have attained. Do the relaxation exercise thoroughly, until you are completely settled. This should only take a few minutes, don't overdo it. Reach out with your imaginary HANDS and pull yourself, hand over hand, up the strong, invisible, imaginary ROPE hanging above you. Try and imagine the feel of a strong, thick, coarse rope in your HANDS. Don't try and visualize this ROPE! I want you to imagine you are reaching out and climbing this ROPE in the pitch dark, so you can't see it at all, you just know where it is and can imagine the feel of it. Visualization wastes valuable mental energy that can be better put to use exerting direct pressure on your astral body. You will feel a slight dizzy sensation inside you as you do this, specifically in your upper torso. This is caused by exerting dynamic pressure on the astral body. The dizzy sensation comes from the astral body loosening. This feeling of vertigo will intensify the more you pull on the rope. Very Important Note: This dizzy feeling and any feelings of pressure or vertigo, etc, caused by your mental action of pulling on the ROPE MUST be carefully noted by you. Learn the EXACT mental action you are doing to cause this vertigo. You will have to train your mental climbing action to cause this feeling. So, the first few times you try this ROPE method, concentrate on finding the right mental action to do this. Once you learn what it is you are doing to cause this, and can recreate it at will, you are really starting to get somewhere. IGNORE *ALL* SENSATION YOU FEEL DURING PROJECTION or it will distract you, break your concentration, and ruin your chances for projection. Concentrate on the single act of climbing your ROPE to the TOTAL exclusion of everything else. Put everything you have into this one action, but don't tense up, it must be all mental. Keep climbing, hand over hand, ever upwards, and you will feel the heavy sensation come over you. The pressure you are exerting on your astral body will force you into the trance state. Ignore this when it happens and concentrate on what you are doing. Keep climbing and you will feel your chakras open in response to the pressure, don't stop. Next you will feel the vibrations start, your whole body will seem to be vibrating and you will feel paralysed. Concentrate, single minded, on climbing your rope, don't stop. Next you will feel yourself coming free of your body. You will buzz slightly as you pull yourself out of your body. You will exit your body in the direction of your imaginary ROPE and will be hovering above your body. You're free at last! Note: Do *NOT* allow yourself to break concentration when the vibrations start. They are a natural EFFECT caused by energy coursing through all the hundreds of major and minor chakras in your body. If you do find yourself being distracted by this, spend more time and effort doing the concentration exercises until you overcome this problem. If you have not mastered using your imaginary HANDS for relaxation, raising energy and chakra work, you may have difficulty using them for climbing the ROPE. This does not mean you have to be able to open your chakras successfully to project using this method, you don't, it just helps if you can. This method is very direct. It shortens the time needed to project dramatically! Once you start pulling in earnest on your ROPE you WILL enter trance, your chakras WILL open, the vibrations WILL start and you WILL project, very quickly! The speed of this method may frighten you, the first time you try it. Everything will seem to happen TOO fast. You will get used to this, though, and will appreciate having plenty of mental energy to use during your projection. If your powers of concentration are good, you have a better chance of getting out with this method than any other, even if you haven't mastered deep relaxation and trance skills. What is needed, apart from the ability to concentrate, is the ability to carry out strong mental actions, without any corresponding muscular action, i.e., you have to be able to separate mental and physical actions. If you have trouble with any part of the ROPE method, analyse it, find the problem area, then go back and concentrate on the related training exercises until you overcome the problem. Not directly pointed at your post lucidnina, but information nevertheless

[nina]

Wow thank you so much for all this information. Actually it is EXTREMELY relevant to my post...yesterday during a nap, I guess I had a WILD...anyhow, I got the vibrations and this painfully loud vibrating and ringing in my ears almost to the point of scaring me awake (its never been this intense before). I wanted to prove if I could OBE/AP so I sat up and was able to get out of my body. Now this is the part that really really interests me, because it was talked about in your post Xis. When I got out of my body...I didn't feel complete, things were missing, I think I could only see out of one eye, my arms were kinda lifeless at my sides and I swear to God I was walking like Quasimotto the Hunchback (sp). Anyway, I walk in this extremely awkward way to my bed room door, and I think that since I am not a physical thing that I can just go through the door so I start running and actually bang right into the door. It didn't work. So I turn the knob and open the door and leave my bedroom...I wanted to make it upstairs to where my parents were to see if I could see what my dad was wearing, b/c he had just come home and I hadn't seen him earlier and I figured if I saw him and remembered what he was wearing I would be able to prove that I had an OBE/AP? But I only made it out of my bedroom and halfway through my tv room, didn't even make it up the stairs. But I think this was because I wasn't completely "there", like all my chakras didn't come with me? Maybe this was why I was walking like a freaking Hunchback/Frankenstein? It was so strange. Now I have decided to make an easier test for myself, I will pick a playing card at random, without looking at it, face up, on my nightstand before I try to OBE/AP (face up so I don't have to deal with turning it over, that might be a little too complex for a beginner), then all I will have to do is sit up and turn my head and try to read the card and try to proove if this is real or not. I will post my results. Either way, this all kinda freaks me out.