Thread: Awakening The Third Eye

Originally Posted by Specialis Sapientia

It's not for me to say, nor can I guarantee anything.

I think you now the answer yourself.

I can recommend a great book, that will cover most of your answers I believe.

It's called "Shaman, Healer, Sage" by Alberto Villoldo.
http://www.amazon.com/Shaman-Healer-.../dp/0609605445

hmm, I thought you needed to start working at the bottom from the root chakra which is why I thought that opening it shouldn't affect me negatively. Thanks for the recommendation It seems like a really good book, although, is shamanism similar to Reiki or how do they differ because I was thinking about giving Reiki a try

Edit: hmm, I looked at the reviews and more on shamanism and it looks interesting, but, do you of any books that are specifically on chakras without the healing component because I would much rather looking at Reiki

Originally Posted by BigFan

hmm, I thought you needed to start working at the bottom from the root chakra which is why I thought that opening it shouldn't affect me negatively. Thanks for the recommendation It seems like a really good book, although, is shamanism similar to Reiki or how do they differ because I was thinking about giving Reiki a try

Edit: hmm, I looked at the reviews and more on shamanism and it looks interesting, but, do you of any books that are specifically on chakras without the healing component because I would much rather looking at Reiki

It shouldn't affect you negatively, just go ahead.

Well, I don't know much about Reiki, so can't tell the relations to shamanism, but I guess they are not far apart.

If you wan't to know about the chakras in-depth, I still recommend Shaman, Healer, Sage. It has a whole chapter only for the chakras, and then more.

Read it, and then come back and tell what you think about

What do you know about Reiki? And how did it get your attention?

Originally Posted by Specialis Sapientia

It shouldn't affect you negatively, just go ahead.

Well, I don't know much about Reiki, so can't tell the relations to shamanism, but I guess they are not far apart.

If you wan't to know about the chakras in-depth, I still recommend Shaman, Healer, Sage. It has a whole chapter only for the chakras, and then more.

Read it, and then come back and tell what you think about

What do you know about Reiki? And how did it get your attention?

That what I was thinking as well, but, it just feels better with some kind of confirmation. I'll give the book a try if it has a chapter on chakra I read about Reiki sometime back(2-3 years) and haven't read on it since but I remember liking the idea of healing. To me, it seems like Reiki is a method that you practice to be able to heal others while shamanism is a religion with healing as one of its components, so, I would much rather focus on a method. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong

wow, nice video. Aaanndd...i know the negative effects that can happen...now, what about all the positive ?

Originally Posted by Shark Rider

wow, nice video. Aaanndd...i know the negative effects that can happen...now, what about all the positive ?

You mean positive of opening third eye chakra? From what I recall, precognition and some psychic stuff. One of the reasons that most people are interested in the third eye is because of the psychic component
Link: http://indistinctunion.files.wordpre...0/chakras1.gif

thanks for the site. I thought it would be something like that. However, what i meant was what happens when you open all the 7 chakras?

Originally Posted by Shark Rider

thanks for the site. I thought it would be something like that. However, what i meant was what happens when you open all the 7 chakras?

I have no clue, lol. According to Specialis Sapientia, I think he said that only a few yogis we ever able to open all 7 chakras, not really sure why, but, that's what I think he said

You might want to read this thread, and see the documentary.

It should be interesting for anyone.
http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=75481

He appears to be working with the seventh chakra or "above".

Here is something from his preach in November 10, 2008:

"In the beginning, starting from the seventh chakra while reaching at Brahma chakra. klesha and Mara were destroyed and invisible lights entered into the body. The knowledge of Maitri of Lok and Alok has been gained."

My knowledge on the eastern chakra system is limited, but I found some information:

"One would naturally expect that the series of chakras would come to an end here. But the picture on which the above account is based, mentions 6 chakras more beyond the Sahasrara, viz. (a) Urdharandhra, (b). Bhramaraguha, (c) Akunthapitha Punyagara, (d) Kolhata, (e) Vajradanda and (f) Niradhara Paramajyotischakra. The Urdharandhra, called Talu chakra in the Ms, is seated in the Talima and is a 64-lobed chakra, presided by Goraksanatha and Siddhanta sakti. This statement is interesting as it gives us an idea of what the followers of the path thought in connection with the founder of their school. The Bhramaraguha, also called Alekha, i. e. Alaksya chakra (called Brahma Chakra in the Ms), is the place, where samadhi-yoga ensues, and prana and manas cease to work. The lotus is described as furnished with ten millions of lobes and wonderfully brilliant. The presiding God of this centre is Alaksyanatha, the Sakti called Maya (= Mahamaya?; Akula in the Ms.) and the Rsi Mahavisnu. "

http://www.shivashakti.com/gorchak.htm , very cryptic for someone not used to the the word meanings and terminology.

You can read his speeches here: (there are four)

http://www.paldendorje.com/index.php...&id=5&Itemid=2

thanks for the info Specialis Sapientia. I`ll read those...when i get more time.

Originally Posted by Shark Rider

thanks for the info Specialis Sapientia. I`ll read those...when i get more time.

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Originally Posted by BigFan

hmm, I thought you needed to start working at the bottom from the root chakra which is why I thought that opening it shouldn't affect me negatively. Thanks for the recommendation It seems like a really good book, although, is shamanism similar to Reiki or how do they differ because I was thinking about giving Reiki a try

Edit: hmm, I looked at the reviews and more on shamanism and it looks interesting, but, do you of any books that are specifically on chakras without the healing component because I would much rather looking at Reiki

Reiki and shamanism are rather different since shaminism is a form of religion. Both have to do with utilizing the chakras and energy body though. I believe that anybody with basic energy body control can heal but for reiki specifically one has to be "attuned" to heal by a master. Reiki has a benefit over traditional energy healing in that it can be used distantly and it does not use the healers energy but rather so called "cosmic energy" that they are attuned to channel.

To the posters asking about opening all chakras, it is indeed possible. each of your chakras are active at some times but being able to willingly control and stregnthen them is a skill that takes time to learn and takes a lifetime to master for most people. For example any person who's crown chakra is termporarily active may have some kind of spiritual experience. The fact that these experiences can be described by science and chemicles such as DMT does not disprove their spirituality. Given the fact that if any of the scientific constants in nature or masses of sub atomic particles were different by even the smallest amount the universe and consciousness would never exist, it seems that science seems to support some higher power planning things out in a way.

Finally there are far more than 7 chakras in the body. there are hundreds of minor chakras, some of which arnt even inside your physical body. consentrating on one of them is far less constructive than working from the ground up. it is the only way to make sure your entire energy developes and functions the way it should. When this is achieved, i believe in individual becomes enlightened so to say.

I agree with your post ichigo.
Except, that shamanism is not comparable to the term and word "religion" that we are used to.


The cosmic energy is not only used by reiki, but in almost every healing method I am aware of, the healer is really just a channel of energy, the healing power does not come directly from the healer.

About tempering with your subtle energetic system:

You are dealing with great energies that can both destroy or heal. You are dealing with life force itself. Suicides, insanity, destroyed relationships, serious mental and physical problems or diseases lasting many years. Those are the risks if you don't know what you are doing.

Asking RANDOM people on Internet about extremely rare and specialized knowledge that is potentially more significant then your choice of life-time partner is... at least unwise.

For example, playing with your Muladhara (root chakra) can trigger a major release of Kundalini energy. That can lead to serious problems like those listed above. That's why you shouldn't base your knowledge on "RANDOM people on Internet about..."

I'll give you a tip: ask yourself WHY do you want to work with subtle systems?

Originally Posted by Ajnaeye

About tempering with your subtle energetic system:

You are dealing with great energies that can both destroy or heal. You are dealing with life force itself. Suicides, insanity, destroyed relationships, serious mental and physical problems or diseases lasting many years. Those are the risks if you don't know what you are doing.

Asking RANDOM people on Internet about extremely rare and specialized knowledge that is potentially more significant then your choice of life-time partner is... at least unwise.

For example, playing with your Muladhara (root chakra) can trigger a major release of Kundalini energy. That can lead to serious problems like those listed above. That's why you shouldn't base your knowledge on "RANDOM people on Internet about..."

I'll give you a tip: ask yourself WHY do you want to work with subtle systems?

hmm, to be truthful with you, while I am interested in the chakra concept and think its quite possible to be true, I'm still not 100% sold on it though. Anyways, the reason I wanted to try and open any of the chakras was because I was interested in seeing the feedback, as in proof that it does exist. That's pretty much the major reason. The only other reason I want to open the chakras and this reason is pertaining to the third eye one to be exact, is because I've always be interested in psychic stuff and wondered how come we can't just do things like telepathy, telekinesis, etc.... and that specific chakra is *supposed* to be responsible for this kind of stuff. At the moment, I've put a hold on opening any of these chakras until I can at least make sure I know what I'm doing along with confirming their existance and instead concentrating on getting some LDs, OBEs, etc.... because, at least with those, I have had some experience(LDs)

with just a little bit of practice meditating on the chakras you should be able to physically feel the energy pulsing inside you and moving up the system.

Isnt it up to the person to decide to learn it? just saying, i dont get why we ALL would have a third eye if only some people were meant to open it/use it? anyways on topic! Nice Find gonna check that out now

Originally Posted by Skydreamer707

Isnt it up to the person to decide to learn it? just saying, i dont get why we ALL would have a third eye if only some people were meant to open it/use it? anyways on topic! Nice Find gonna check that out now

Everybody has a third eye. Everybody can open it. It's up to them to decide. The questions is...are they ready?

Originally Posted by Jozeh

Blue_space that is the same view i have on the subject,mostly realting to your endocrine system and hormone release.

I would say there always open, some working more efficently than others thats where the imbalance comes from. You have to get each one working efficently together by getting to know yourself through meditation and find out which ones need to be worked on.

I wouldnt be scared about "opening" them if their not ready they wont "open" however ther fear of doing such can lead to the syptoms previously talked about.

“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." Yoda says it best.

Yes, this is what I was looking for. However, it would be interesting to know when the chakira stuff originated (e.g. if it originated before we learned of the endocrine system, then this may supplement the spirtual perspective) - however, that is a little off-topic and is mostly related to origins of spirituality in correlation with biological sciences.

I wouldn't mind stimulating my prostate gland however, perhaps to umm.. experience a nice big orgasm!

The bottom text you quoted from Yoda mostly relates to power; although the only way in which one could become "corrupt" by stimulating the glands of the endocrine is by a change in emotion and self-perception (e.g. ego inflation). However, power mostly directs to power of an individual over other individuals; we all consist of power, even when we're playing a videogame, we can do whatever we wish in that given environment to its given limits. A dictator of a country however, is powerful; this type of power, is the power in which corruption can arise (Power that can harm; that is the power that is related upon).

How can you open one of the chakiras, or the third eye? (I haven't read the book; it's... too long )

Alright, I presume the third eye is the pineal gland, and that the pineal gland is you - the conscious perception. Here, you experience both external and internal perception (Awareness of the physical world and internal environments; dreams, and others as such). Although the thalamus is believed to be the rudiments of awareness due to its connections to cognitive systems (The cerebral cortex), the pineal gland may also be our fundamental perception; during our conscious wakeful experiences, we percieve the physical world; it is perception of the physical world - the present - that prevents ourselves from percieving with our third eye (Or at least I would presume so). When our brain occludes our external perception, we percieve with our third-eye; as a result of this however, and due to the deactivation of the prefrontal cortex, we don't know we're dreaming and this is why we have odd experiences. However, with lucid dreams, prefrontal activation is pertained and external perception is occluded; as a result, we can become aware our internal perception; we can consciously analyze unconscious memory, and can clarify our desires (e.g. experience wealth in a lucid dream). The conflict between external/internal perception, and an equilibrium results in our imagination appearing transparent clashing with our literal perspective.

The reason I believe it is the pineal gland that is you - or we - or the rudiments of awareness, is due to the many references to this component, both of which are historical and recent; spiritual and scientific. Spiritual referes to this as a third eye, a chakira, whilst science refers to this also as the third eye, and a mere gland. Additionally, the pineal gland is also connected to the thalamus, from where it may possibly be recieving some for of perception; the pineal gland also consists of photoreceptors, the same cells consisted on the physical eye.

Interestingly, it is our pineal gland that causes ourselves to dream and is also responsible for NDE's (Near death experiences). The pineal gland releases a banned hallucigenic chemical known as DMT during both, the process of dreaming and death. Personally however, I believe altering the balance of this chemical is responsible for altering the balance between internal/external perception. To clarify, excessive amounts of DMT being released by the pineal gland may be responsible for strong hallucinations, whereas too little may be responsible for a lack of "imagination". An equilibrium of the chemical may pertain a healthy perception. However, if this is so, then it should also be possible to restore balance after committing to excessive amounts to be released; the result of strong hallucinations, the occlusion of external perception and lucid dreaming can be healthy for our ID - to supplement the clarification of our conscious desires.

Furthermore, I do believe we're fundamentally metaphysical; that we don't exist physically, and that our physical third-dimensional existence is not ourselves and is a support structure for 3D perception and interaction. I believe that we exist in the forth dimension and are interacting with the third. There are few reasons as to why, some are due to individual NDE's and one is due to one of my ideas for the existence of free will (Yes, I also believe in compatabilism; you can have detirministic and indetirministic properties throughout existence).

More recently, it has been found that the pineal gland is one of the most active components of the brain during meditative states. Additionally, brainwaves drop to theta; theta waves are supposed to be a state during which the brain is active unconscious (e.g. dreaming). As a result, it may be a state in which conscious perception can access unconscious regions of the brain, and furthermore, the instintual systems of the brain. Theoretically, it may be possible for an individual to alter bodily function, to access an infinite (Not literally, but a myriad) of information due to the data stored in bodily cells and interaction of instintual systems in minitia; consequently, they may be capable of healing various aspects of the body - and it may even be possible for them to alter their genetics! It has been speculated the belief may affect genetics, altering the function of our autonomous systems, and the effects of external influences on both, our unconscious and conscious perception.

(Two articles on the effects of meditation on the pineal gland)


http://www.realitysandwich.com/meditations_pineal_gland
http://precedings.nature.com/documents/1328/version/1

right on, moving across the threshold,without preparation a normal moral life will take 2 more incarnations,a person that can take the swamp rd, sampling darkness and leaving with an essence ,on and on until at age 54 when the physical body weakens.there are 4 paths leading to higher cognitions, where ive not encountered speech because there are no human forms or answers only questions for u to solve steve

I apologize ahead of time if I repeat anything anyone else said here. I'm too tired to read this whole thread as thoroughly as I would like. Plus I need to get to bed. Anyhow I have a book recommendation for anyone who wishes to work with their chakras. Its, "Meditation, Path to the Deepest Self" by Michal Levin. This book teaches some of what others like Ajnaeye have already stated, you must start with the root chakra. This book teaches you how to meditate on each one, moving up when all issues of the current chakra you are working on have been exhausted. I have e-mailed the authoress to ask about transitioning to this from the mantra based meditation I have been using. This author also teaches that there are eight chakras, and the eighth is only visible when you are near death. She also explains why you should start at the base. I would only add that you need to be careful here, because working in your chakras will bring forth many hidden issues and memories you will have to deal with. Keep a journal of your chakra meditation time, not to translate or understand, but simply to record your experiences.

Robert Moss in "Active Dreaming" advises you explore the landscape of each chakra and get to know any animal guardians/spirits/guides there. He includes an exercise for this.

One more thing to note here... One of the earlier projectors, Muldoon or Fox - can't remember who exactly, was said to concentrate on the third-eye chakra as a means of attaining a very detailed projection from the body. But they received headaches and stopped using it for some unknown reason. One other experiences projector recommends against using it in his book. Others recommend it. I have no opinion either way and little experience. But I have avoided using the third chakra as an exit point just in case. This is something else I asked Mrs. Levin about. I will come back here with her response, if any.

Thank you for the e-book deXtrous!
- DreamBliss