Thread: Finally, we rational people can discuss here

Originally Posted by Ghost94

...just shut up.
If you think that Beyond Dreaming is a rational sub-forum, then..... Awwwhhh.

i think that you're very irrational myself. deeply so. like, i didnt even need to hear more than a few online posts to determine that. ITS SCIENCE!!! can we talk about giant squids running through the streets of spain now? please? i heard pirate stories!!!

I don´t want to read your stupid posts cause you clearly can´t post anything sensible. If you post, post sensible things.

what's sensible? is that like; 'i make sense' or is that like; 'im trying to make sense'?

quick answer now!!!! PROOF OR NO PROOF!?!?!! naw, you probably missed that one.

(To the latter post of deathgell) You don´t need a lab.

but maybe something 'like a lab' (ie. experiment). but you missed that too. cause you're too damn thick. so just, shut up.

e; see weet_roof's post for your answers to these and other pertinent questions.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

If DreamViews and Lucid Dreaming wants to be taken seriously and not just as some kind of fringe group/subject that only the gullable crystal wearing, pick-and-mix spirituality crew buy into. I think that letting beyond dreaming be a forum for serious, skeptical, rounded and critical discussion, is a great thing.
fortress.

"gullable crystal wearing, pick-and-mix spirituality crew"
you obviously have no respect for most of the people who actively contribute to beyond dreaming...

I don't understand the decision to let you guys come in here and terrorize us. If a "skeptical, rounded and critical discussion" was possible then sure but if often goes beyond that.

the recent thread for example, titled "prove it"

"So, if any of you believe in "shared dreaming"..

Then prove it and come into my dreams. You can´t do it."


This guy ovbiouly does not want to have a discussion... It's like wtf, honestly... If you post in the Beyond-dreaming section you should at least be at liberty to accept the possibility of shared dreaming... if you simply cannot accept that anything beyond-dreaming and and, beyond our reality exists then why post at all. The only motive you have it to force your beliefs on others and continue a one-sided discussion where you laugh in the face of 'believers' and continue to disregard their contributions... hence my post about how 'It is rational to only believe what's been proven' somehow got twisted into ‘It is irrational to believe in anything that hasn't been proven’."

Originally Posted by juroara

rational? please

the truth is if you don't believe in the super natural, it is simply because you have never experienced it

it is rational to believe in that which you have experienced. it is however human nature to discard an experience if it doesn't fit in a predefined box of what reality is

I have had freaky paranormal things happen to me that i cannot explain, but the more i think about it...i just can't explain something that happened while labelling something that i think is paranormal. I've had visions, but there is a name for it now instead of "visions of the dead warning me" or whatever. Also, the whole spirit thing is fading on me...there are so many dead people, yet there is no evidence at all that spirits are real, just stories, and people listening to static trying to pick out noises when it's just static. NDE's are not proven, even ask people studying them, they don't know WHEN the person slips out of their body, just that they have a clear picture of what they think is happening in the room.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

I have never been to spain, but I believe in it because there is plenty of evidence to prove its existence.
Having not experienced something is not the reason we do not believe in such things as the paranormal, it's the lack of supporting evidence.

There are plenty of things I have not experienced that I will take as true, because there is evidence to support the claims.

Offer some evidence other than anecdotal stories and strong beliefs.
Thats not much to ask, you can do it with ANY other real phenomena, so why not the paranormal?

Why is the paranormal given special rights to avoid having to prove itself?

Well...we don't know how the mind works yet (atleast what i have gathered from some of the smart posters here who know their shit), the brain still has alot of mystery to it, so the paranormal can easily be some piece we have not yet discovered. If we somehow have a "spirit" perhaps it's able tocontroll parts of the brain, and we think it's how the brain works when it really is just the spirit controlling it or whatever. Far fetched theory, though.

Originally Posted by pojmaster17q

I think one of the greatest benefits of this is that new members won't come in here, excited about lucid dreaming, and then start believing in all this stuff without question. Thus they won't become disappointed/delusional. I'm not calling anyone here delusional, but eventually it's going to come to one of those ends. Dreamwalkers/Nightstalkers? Come on. The whole thing is just so erratic and disorganized that it's hardly believable. Not to mention how pretty much there's no explanation but it's all created by your dreaming mind.

Holy shit, I just realized that Ghost94 said about the same thing.

EDIT: also, I've read a few OBE/whatever guides and if you switched "OBE" with "LD" and "OBE induction" with "WILD" I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between it and a shitty WILD guide.

It's only delusional because there is no evidence for shared dreaming, if there was shared dreaming then this really would not be as crazy as it seems. But all we got is peoples stories, and you know how people are. They think the dream they have is real, when it really was just their dreams reality, not a waking life reality.

Ok I am going to put my 2 cents in and this all from first hand experiences....

I have been interested in the paranormal since i was a child, specially ghosts...

I am 24 years of age now, and I am currently a member of a non profit Ghost Hunting Team in the state of North Carolina.. If any of you ever get the chance to visit North Carolina, I'd advise you to go visit the USS Battleship North Carolina, and talk to the night watchmen who sleeps on the ship.. He will tell you some interesting stories...

I had the chance twice..with the team i am on, to take about 9 other people on the ship and do an investigation.. I caught many EVP's, and had a few strange experiences happen..

One that stands out the most, was when the last time i was there a few months ago.. I was going to take 2 people down to the brigg of the ship (prison) and we were standing by the steps to go down to it, and we heard a hatch door slam shut below us.. We stood there for a minute trying to debunk it..thinking maybe somebody above where we had our command post was going to the bathroom... Well a minute later, it happened again, this time it slammed so hard and so loud, you could feel the vibrations in your feet... So we went down there and investigated... didn't find anybody down there... I went to talk to the team leader our of group and I had asked them if there was anybody inside around the time we had heard the doors slam shut.. He said everyone was outside for about 10 minutes talking about what they were gonna do next and nobody had came inside....

I will tell you from first hand experiences, and working in the field of Paranormal, that there are strange things that go on..but our group tries to debunk a haunting before saying it actually is.. Even then if you say its haunted..what is it haunted by?

These are questions that are still left unanswered.. Even if a place is haunted...what is causing the haunt..

For people who don't believe..You could have the assumption your all alone in your bed room reading this, but yet, you really aren't...

It will take a first hand experience for a non believer, to become a believer...that is really the only way...

I can only share my story....

Originally Posted by wet_roof113

"So, if any of you believe in "shared dreaming"..
Then prove it and come into my dreams. You can´t do it."[/I]

Asking for evidence to support outlandish claims.

HOW DARE THEY!

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Lol, your head would explode if you saw what was going on in there!

What like in the movie Scanners?
Yeah, I'm sure Psychic assasination will be on their to do list.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

Personally, I find the whole thing (the deep dreaming forum) a little eliteist, and harking back to schoolyard mentality "Do you want to be in our secret gang?"

It's not a secret, and anyone that asks can join....

Either that, or verging on the cultish.

Do you know what a cult is?

On the positive side, it acts as a kind of asylum, and keeps the new newer and possibly more easily led members away from the very distorted one sided view of psychic phenomena that the original setup for beyond dreaming had.

Yes because experiencing something and not believing other people who haven't experienced its opinion as fact... when the only "evidence" people provide is statistics or a lack of it being discovered by science...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...?dopt=Abstract <--- Strange

If DreamViews and Lucid Dreaming wants to be taken seriously and not just as some kind of fringe group/subject that only the gullable crystal wearing, pick-and-mix spirituality crew buy into.

I don't say this much but this really deserves a strong f*** you. I don't know what is wrong with being spiritual, their is nothing and this post shows nothing but your utter lack of respect and disdain for people who aren't "atheist" as yourself.. Their is nothing gullible about experiencing something or believing in something. You are really just being inconsiderate of others.

I think that letting beyond dreaming be a forum for serious, skeptical, rounded and critical discussion, is a great thing. It shows that not all lucid dreamers buy into the creepy pseudo-science and superstitious bunkum that has plagued the subject of dreamng, and publications on dreaming for far too long.

Originally Posted by spacehead

I feel superior even though I have no proof that everything you guys talk about is fake I'm going to claim they are by calling them pseudo-science and superstitious because I am awesome and my views on the world are static, and I'd make a terrible scientist because real scientists go into something with an open mind, I on the other hand already have decided what is bunk and what is not!

Open and free discussion is the hallmark of the truely open minded and those who do not fear that their world views would crumble under the slightest scrutiny. Something that those in DeepDreaming obviously fear, demonstrated clearly by hiding themselves away in their little cotton wool padded fortress.

You don't scrutinize, you insult and demean. You come in calling it pseudo-science and spiritual bunk. You don't come in here curious and ready to find holes in theories but ready to attack the people behind the beliefs.. Also known as an AD HOMINEM ATTACK. No one fears you, don't get so full of yourself. We just don't want to listen to people who don't know what mutual respect is.




If you ever wonder why people don't want to discuss things with you and others like yourself.. This post is the reason.

You have no proof that spirituality is bunk, or that anything we are talking about is superstition.

You come in here spewing your superiority and expect us to listen to you? No one fears you, wish I could see you face to face so I could see some real fear. (You do realize this is the internet, by yours posts I'm unsure)

You don't bring skepticism but a feeling of knowing better than everyone else.

Dreamviews taken serious, this is a forum? Are we trying to become an institution and I wasn't aware.. rofl.

Originally Posted by DeathCell

If you ever wonder why people don't want to discuss things with you and others like yourself.. This post is the reason.

You have no proof that spirituality is bunk, or that anything we are talking about is superstition.

You come in here spewing your superiority and expect us to listen to you? No one fears you, but sometimes people want to just discuss something without having people like yourself coming in and saying everything we are talking about is nonsense..(With nothing to back it up)

You guys don't bring skepticism but a feeling of knowing better than everyone else.

Dreamviews taken serious, this is a forum? Are we trying to become an institution and I wasn't aware.. rofl.

Can you stop refering to YOURSELF as "people"
You are welcome to your opinion of me, but don't try and tell me you know what other people think. Otherwise you're just spewing your superiority.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

Can you stop refering to YOURSELF as "people"
You are welcome to your opinion of me, but don't try and tell me you know what other people think. Otherwise you're just spewing your superiority.

Does anyone agree with me, that spaceexplorer is being unnecessarily rude? I was speaking for those using the "cult" forum.. If they don't agree I'd love to know.

We are actually planning right now as how to exterminate you and others like yourself, we were going to conduct a ritual that will open the gates to hades.. All we need is 7 virgins and one dumbass..., if we kill them all at 11:11, with blades that have been dipped in the river styx, Diablo, Baal, and Mephisto will be released from their enternal slumbers to ravage society and spread pestilence across the land.

Damn I should write novels.

Originally Posted by DeathCell

Does anyone agree with me, that spaceexplorer is being unnecessarily rude? I was speaking for those using the "cult" forum.. If they don't agree I'd love to know.

We are actually planning right now as how to exterminate you and others like yourself, we were going to conduct a ritual that will open the gates to hades.. All we need is 7 virgins and one dumbass..., if we kill them all at 11:11, with blades that have been dipped in the river styx, Diablo, Baal, and Mephisto will be released from their enternal slumbers to ravage society and spread pestilence across the land.

I'd not be suprised.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

I'd not be suprised.

And that is what is wrong with you.

Go outside and make some friends.

Originally Posted by DeathCell

And that is what is wrong with you.

Go outside and make some friends.

I'm the one being unnecessarily rude?

Oh ok.

Well now you say it like that, so charmingly and all.

You're probably right all along, I should go outside... I mean, it'd be nice to meet real people.
Yeah you're right.
Maybe people outside don't think they can see the future whilst on magic mushrooms.
That'd make a nice change.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

I'm the one being unnecessarily rude?

Oh ok.

Please read your post, I really don't care if that was rude.. You didn't seem to care when you made your rude posts.

You called us a cult.

Than called it an asylum(implying insanity)

only the gullable crystal wearing, pick-and-mix spirituality crew buy into.

Very rude, I happen to have a necklace with a CRYSTAL on it OMG!!!!!! Science-dammit!!!!

buy into the creepy pseudo-science and superstitious bunkum that has plagued the subject of dreamng, and publications on dreaming for far too long.

Than calling any random beliefs of people in that forum as pseudo-science and superstitious bunkum, when that statement fits the definition of bunkum.

A. You don't mention specifics
B. You have no proof.

You need to go outside and make some friends, by your posts in here I'm surprised you don't get slapped as soon as you walk out your door.

Maybe people outside don't think they can see the future whilst on magic mushrooms.
That'd make a nice change.

Their was no thinking about it. I did see the future, why is the only question.
Exactly the same in my vision and after, and unless you can prove otherwise.

Maybe people outside will show the same amount of respect you show others.. I hope so.

Originally Posted by spacerude

I know everything about the logical world and in my bubble of pre-conceived notions seeing the future is impossible or just a statistical fluke! I have no proof as to why, but since it hasn't been proven I MUST BE RIGHT!

Spacequest = The Death Of Science.

Originally Posted by DeathCell

Please read your post, I really don't care if that was rude.. You didn't seem to care when you made your rude posts.

You called us a cult.

Than called it an asylum(implying insanity)

Very rude, I happen to have a necklace with a CRYSTAL on it OMG!!!!!! Science-dammit!!!!

Than calling any random beliefs of people in that forum as pseudo-science and superstitious bunkum, when that statement fits the definition of bunkum.

A. You don't mention specifics
B. You have no proof.

You need to go outside and make some friends, by your posts in here I'm surprised you don't get slapped as soon as you walk out your door.

You sir.
Are a turd.

Have a lovelly life.

I have had quite enough of your self serving ramblings.
Bye.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

You sir.
Are a turd.

Have a lovelly life.

I have had quite enough of your self serving ramblings.
Bye.

I've had quite enough of your holier than thou attitude. Take your inability to discuss issues and instead attack our characters to Randis forum I'm sure you'll fit in better over their.. As you said yourself humans love confirmation bias.



That sir, is a turd.

seriously.
That;s just horrible.
Seriously dude.

Photos of yourself at the pool, naked... i mean, do we want to see that?

Is it just me or can anyone else smell testosterone around here?

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

*fingers in ears* nah nah nah iiii caaant heeearrr you

Childish but effective.

And indicative of your personality.

Originally Posted by DeathCell

And indicative of your personality.

I think you'll find i edited that to:

seriously.
That;s just horrible.
Seriously dude.

Photos of yourself at the pool, naked... i mean, do we want to see that?
__________________

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

I think you'll find i edited that to:

seriously.
That;s just horrible.
Seriously dude.

Photos of yourself at the pool, naked... i mean, do we want to see that?
__________________

Too bad it's already my signature.

And I found the party you were at!!


I'm not going to waste any more space on this forum with a pointless discussion.
(you called me a turd, didn't know they pieces of poo could type!!, MR. HANKY!)

Originally Posted by DeathCell

Too bad it's already my signature.

Oh my god, how will i live with the shame?

I'm going to go live in a darkened cave for the rest of my existence.

Oh the shame... the terrible shame.


still, at least im not posting images of human faeces, that'd be really embarassing.

Originally Posted by sleepingdog

That was pretty pointless.