Thread: Is astral projection (OBE) real? ...and other questions.

Hi. ^-^

I was wondering…is astral projection real? What I mean is, could it be proven? Or is astral projection sort of like the belief in ghosts, god, or UFOs...not necessarily nonexistent, but still very questionable? I just want an unbiased answer.

Also: When you astral project (assuming it's actually possible), are you still on earth? Would you be able to visit other places? ...What about going into a person’s house? This is going to sound strange, but I think if I were to ever astral project, I would want to visit an old friend who lives two hours away. Even if I'm just watching them sleep. 0.o Would this be possible? And....can people still see you when you astral project? Also, can anyone astral project, and is it dangerous?

Sorry. I know I have a lot of questions. Thanks for reading! ^-^

My take is that Astral projection is akin to a Lucid.
I mean the OBE induction techniques and WILDs are nearly identical. A bit of a give away.

But an OBE Is not quite a Lucid, because despite being conscious that you're Out Of Body, you believe you're doing something other than dreaming.
Yet dreams are driven by expectations. So if you want to explore the astral realm and find the orb of light, theres a good chance you will.
In the same was as I once summoned a talking dog during a Lucid, cos I thought it would be funny.
In other words, you're tricking youself.

If you really want to know the truth about all of this....smoke salvia. But be warned, if lady sage don't trust you, she won't let you be enlightened, and your trip will be horrific.

Smoke salvia and you will experience what it is like to exist in the 4th density. Willingly able to access other 3d worlds other than this.

And you need to really ask yourself this....do you really want to know the truth of the universe? what happened, the beginning of the universe, why do we exist, etc. ?

Are you sure? because if your not ready to be enlightened, the answers will obliterate you , and scar you for life. Seriously....saliva is a powerful plant, and it's not hallucinations if so many trip reports conclude the same thing.

I learned myself it's sometimes best to be ignorant of truth. Don't get too addicted to that red pill, unless you can handle it.

LD's, astral projections, O.B.E.'s.....their all in the mind. And all our minds are connected like an internet...i'll stop here, and let you experience the rest for yourself and come to your own conclusions.

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

If you really want to know the truth about all of this....smoke salvia. But be warned, if lady sage don't trust you, she won't let you be enlightened, and your trip will be horrific.

Smoke salvia and you will experience what it is like to exist in the 4th density. Willingly able to access other 3d worlds other than this.

And you need to really ask yourself this....do you really want to know the truth of the universe? what happened, the beginning of the universe, why do we exist, etc. ?

Are you sure? because if your not ready to be enlightened, the answers will obliterate you , and scar you for life. Seriously....saliva is a powerful plant, and it's not hallucinations if so many trip reports conclude the same thing.

I learned myself it's sometimes best to be ignorant of truth. Don't get too addicted to that red pill, unless you can handle it.

LD's, astral projections, O.B.E.'s.....their all in the mind. And all our minds are connected like an internet...i'll stop here, and let you experience the rest for yourself and come to your own conclusions.

Reminds me of something LaBerge said, It was along the lines of:
Lucid dreaming/Drugs etc. can show you very real convincing "truths", but just because something feels utterly real, does not mean, it isn't a very real, very convincing fantasty.

Or in other words:
An open mind is all very good, but If you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.

Or in other words again:

Don't believe everything you think.

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

If you really want to know the truth about all of this....smoke salvia.

Although I've never done any drugs myself, one of my friends tried salvia and had zero effects from it. I didn't see it, but have no reason to doubt those words. No visions, no sensations, nothing. It looks like salvia divinorum is not as divinely cool as rumored

Out of interest, what kind of visions you can get with it, are they like a dream you can find yourself in, or like hypnogogic imagery that you see superimposed on the waking world?

DMT>Salvia

Does anyone else feel that the evidence of your "senses" whilst getting ripped on mind altering drugs might not actually be.....how can I put this sensitively....100% reliable.

Originally Posted by Beeyahoi

DMT>Salvia

Couldn't agree more.
I'd also say that DMT is far far safer than Salvia.

I've known very experienced people have dangerous experiences with Salvia,
such as, smoking it, then waking up with no memories... on the other side of a motorway.

Salvia, tends to have a strange gravity/magnetic pulling effect. Often people want to follow or move with this force... which clearly can be a bit dangerous if there is a motorway between you and the pull.
Also Saliva to me has a very dark, gruby mood to it. It is certainly not a plant i would consider "friendly" to most humans.

DMT on the other hand, being endogenous to the human brain, feels overwhelmingly familiar. It's impossible to put into words.
But In general, however intense or mind bogglingly "out there" it gets, you tend to come away with a renewed love and appreciation of life and the universe.

Ironic that DMT is illegal whilst Salvia remains legal.


And just for the record, I am neither pro or anti the use of mind altering chemicals. I feel that if they are used as self exploration tools, and treated with respect, that they can be benificial. If however, they are used without respect and simply to "get wasted" then, well... you'll get nothing of use from them, and may even get burnt. Basically it'll tend to mirror your intent.

As with many things in life, any non addictive mind altering chemicals are morally neutral... it is your intentions, mindset, morals and intelligence that get amplified by them.

Much like money in some ways, which is also a kind of neutral tool. It's the person who is spending it that decides if it is going to be a positive or negative force in the world.

Well, that's my opinion at least.

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

If you really want to know the truth about all of this....smoke salvia. But be warned, if lady sage don't trust you, she won't let you be enlightened, and your trip will be horrific.

Smoke salvia and you will experience what it is like to exist in the 4th density. Willingly able to access other 3d worlds other than this.

And you need to really ask yourself this....do you really want to know the truth of the universe? what happened, the beginning of the universe, why do we exist, etc. ?

Are you sure? because if your not ready to be enlightened, the answers will obliterate you , and scar you for life. Seriously....saliva is a powerful plant, and it's not hallucinations if so many trip reports conclude the same thing.

I learned myself it's sometimes best to be ignorant of truth. Don't get too addicted to that red pill, unless you can handle it.

LD's, astral projections, O.B.E.'s.....their all in the mind. And all our minds are connected like an internet...i'll stop here, and let you experience the rest for yourself and come to your own conclusions.

Oh come on man, don't be telling people they need to do drugs to expierience the truth when we really have no idea what the truth is. Also, if you really are gonna tell him to do drugs, atleast tell him to study it before he does it, and do small doses. Last thing you want is some new guy doing a major dose and being fucked up for life because some guy on the net did not tell him to study it first, not that he has to know from us, as it's pretty common knowledge to study things you are wanting to do, and don't know anything about it to begin with.

Start off studying it for a month or so, learn everything about the drug, learn a shit ton of expieriences from other people who have done it, and start off by doing the smallest dose for a beginner. I have no idea about the smallest dose, never done drugs, and not alot of study but i'm not doing it because of personal reasons i will not mention. Also, if you are to do this drug....sit in a chair, and have a buddy watch you just incase. I don't think there have been any cases of deaths by this drug though, but just because there has not been, does not mean there wont ever be by some dumbass who deserved it.

As for knowing the secrets of the universe....i have for many many years, i wanna know everything before i die so i wont die not knowing anything, it's not really fair.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

Oh come on man, don't be telling people they need to do drugs to expierience the truth when we really have no idea what the truth is. Also, if you really are gonna tell him to do drugs, atleast tell him to study it before he does it, and do small doses. Last thing you want is some new guy doing a major dose and being fucked up for life because some guy on the net did not tell him to study it first, not that he has to know from us, as it's pretty common knowledge to study things you are wanting to do, and don't know anything about it to begin with.

your right. if you want more information.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia.shtml

To all of these people calling it a drug...i don't think it deserves that..i mean it's a natural occurring plant...from the earth..that's still legal in the U.S. in some states...that's like calling a tree a drug.

Also you don't even want to be sitting in a chair, just lay down in your bed after you take your hit, close your eyes and relax. Once you hit salvia, you will be completely disconnected from the physical world, if your at the high enough dose. It's supposed to be used in a spiritual manner, not as some party drug. Which is why it's banned now in some states, because idiots want to act like fools on youtube. If you do use it as the latter, your going to be on the floor looking like you have down syndrome, drooling and babbling like a complete idiot.

This is my opinion, but I believe Salvia to be the single most intense psychedelic experience, maybe most intense experience in general, one can experience, with maybe the exception of DMT.

If your not ready, one hit of 60x extract , your mind could be recoiling in pure, panicked terror at the state of awareness and the perceptions of true reality that this plant launches you into. A 17 year old boy committed suicide, he found out the answers to the universe and concluded our life is pointless. Which is pretty sad, I think maybe he was already depressed.

I think once you DO know the answers, you should cherish life, enjoy it while it lasts. We are all here to experience.

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Your absolutely right lucidflanders...everything is created by the brain..or rather decoded.

When you look at an object, the object gives off a vibration, and sends light particles to the back of the brain. When it's sent to the back of the brain, the signal is decoded, and you register it as an object.

In my own opinion ( not based on scientific fact, well kind of in a way ), I think that decoding is "belief".

It ties in perfectly with "wave-particle duality" and the double slit experiment. If it is belief..than there is no way you could prove that scientifically, because you can't determine what someone else believes on a subconscious level...at least not at this time. But their getting closer.

When you did this, what did you find the meaning of life was? just that we are bacteria? I don't really care what it is myself, just that i know the truth before i die. I think it's better to know the truth, then to be ignorant to it.

It's only considered a drug because it's not what you see in the waking reality, it's some other reality, and can blind you from seeing the waking reality. They will say what is stopping you from walking off your balcony on this? nothing, you will be in a different kind of reality and die because the waking one is the right reality. Atleast that is what i think they will say why it's illegal, and why it's called a drug.

I know salvia. It was just a gentle local scintillating brilliance, among everything else at the time. But it may have helped to trigger these dreams...anomalous, unfamiliar, detailed, vivid, otherworldly.... hi-tech... beyond tech.

It's an old warning to mystics, the risk of losing one's sanity.

Your intellectual instincts seem good, though I wonder about your ethics. Maybe you'll end up on the other side of the counter, when you LD to rob the convenience store.

The "Path of Return", they used to call it in high western magic. The "Law of Attraction" post-quantum new-agers tout.

Rules rules. The Golden Rule works. Don't pollute. Don't trespass. Don't be a hypocrite, inflict what you wouldn't want to suffer.

Read. Read. Read.

These days, we have access to esoterica that only the highest earthly Mason poopahs could access back in the day, and much more beyond that. We have much advanced science showing "how". Information flows backwards in time, in quantum physics. Now we know. But we have relatively much less advanced history, showing what was. We have salvia, sativa, MDMA and GBH. And all that, then, was only for shamans.
And they had to have both ethics and learning.

So, there is probably great danger, in that explosion of erstwhile secret / sacred information. Can we popularize without vulgarizing?

So handle with care.

Read non-fiction. Read your ass off. Science. History. Logic. Economics. Information. Ethics. Chaos. Game Theory. Neurology and cognitive theory.

Let me know if you want suggestions.

PQ