Can I explore 'higher' places through dreams?

[Idolfan]

I have taken a fascination recently (well, more like fear) of paranormal, or seeminly supernatural things such as mutual dreaming and telepathy. Dreams, both in REM sleep and however else they manifest throughout the conscious day, seem to be a key. I cannot shake the idea that there is a higher subjective plane out there. Some of you might call this the astral world, or the etheral plane or whatever; I can't deny that it is real. Is it possible to explore these places through my dreams and by interviewing dream characters? If so, how do I know if I am being deceived? Or worse, infected (I'm paranoid like that). I'm being very serious too, that is a worry of mine.

[Corello]

The very best way for you to get -infected- as you say by pretty much anything in the reality of dreams and such is thinking it -whatever it is- can do something to you, so as long you believe you are safe you'll be pretty much safe. Also, in freaky experiences all you have to do is to use up a willpoint/man up/believe you can do it or whatever you call it, if you are safe with your action, it will work. Since dreams are a manifested reality of your unconscious, the more you stay tunned up on a deeper and steadier balance between it and your ego part of mind by understanding their meaning (one way or the other), I guess you'll end up getting yourself into some other place when you're ready. In shaman culture, the dream world is also seen as the spirit world you see.

[Specialis Sapientia]

Yes you can, in theory. However, since you have a fear of it (maybe general unknowns) it will either hinder your success or manifest itself in those travels. One has to be ready, and it's easy to test it. Since you are paranoid of "parasites" and have general fear, they will manifest, but only if you require "access" which is difficult with fear. Either you will be terrified and don't try it again (Which is part of the self-regulating "access") or defeat it. Generally if you won't grow, or get anything good out if it you won't get to it, mostly by your own fault, which is the fear. It is better that you grow, while in the body, than going OBE and then impeding your growth. Short summary: You will "infect" yourself because of your fear, or you will attract it. Being fearless is very important in that environment. A good analogy would be: The parents putting the dangerous items on the top shelf, it is for the best of the child and it's out of reach.

[Specialis Sapientia]

Any response from Idolfan?

[Corello]

Guess not for now.

[Idolfan]

I am still here! My internet connection was axed by means of life. So basically as long as I am not scared nothing can hurt me? Was also wondering. I have studied astral travelling and whatever you want to call it a little, but people seem convinced that your own mind can change the surroundings. So, is your own unconscious sort of 'plugged in' to the higher plane?

[EdgeWizz7]

I have taken a fascination recently (well, more like fear) of paranormal, or seeminly supernatural things such as mutual dreaming and telepathy. Dreams, both in REM sleep and however else they manifest throughout the conscious day, seem to be a key. I cannot shake the idea that there is a higher subjective plane out there. Some of you might call this the astral world, or the etheral plane or whatever; I can't deny that it is real. Is it possible to explore these places through my dreams and by interviewing dream characters? If so, how do I know if I am being deceived? Or worse, infected (I'm paranoid like that). I'm being very serious too, that is a worry of mine. Ill tell you an experience I had a while back Ill try 2 keep this level I live in New Zealand and whether youve heard of Maoris(Indigenous People of NZ) or not they are a very spiritual and can be a superstitious people, not all though. Now I lived on a farm where apparently there was a sacred maori burial ground not far from this farm. Three of us lived on the farm, a good friend and my cousin. We had heard stories the house was haunted and there was a Makuta (phon: Mah-ku-tah)or curse/black magic placed on it. We would call this place" House on haunted hill " because it was on a hill and the movie had just come out...lol Alot of strange and very scary things happened at this house but ill just relate a dream I had while living here. I am asleep and at some point I reach a dream state and I am standing face 2 face with my cousin. We are outside beside a paddock and my cousin is wearing a pair of those goofy glasses- the ones with springy eyes. I look at my cousin as he struggles to pull them off his face so I decide to help him. By waving my arm in front of his face they fall off. This is non lucid by the way. Ill keep it short because there is more stuff that happens but all the same it is very freaky. The next morning I wake up and my cousin an I are in the kitchen about to have breakfast. He starts 2 tell me his dream he had. This is what he tells me." Hey cuz I had this out of it dream. I was wearing these glasses the ones with springs and I couldlnt get them off my face but you were there and you waved your arm and they fell off " I almost fall off my seat!!! He continues on and I start 2 fill in the rest. We both start freaking out because we are both able 2 recall with great detail everything that happened. The dreams I would have while living at this house were alot different 2 any other I have had in the past or after...they seemed twisted or evil and some were just straight wierd like this one. I also had an LD where i made a person appear, then shot him in the head...extremely vivid. Never have I entertained the thought of murder while dreaming. I also had an OBE that scared the shit out of me but ill post that another time. So yes I believe it is possible to dream share and sometime in the future I am going practice and train how 2 do it.

[Idolfan]

So yes I believe it is possible to dream share and sometime in the future I am going practice and train how 2 do it. I'd rather know how it happens. I wouldn't dream of trying to do it because I don't know anything about it... that's just out there, but apparently it happens to everyone. No one can give me an explaination of how someone's neurological firings can just suddenly mimic another person's on the grounds of subjective matching. It doesn't make any sense. It's like me being in the living room and watching my TV walk up and down the house. But still, to clarify; if not being scared really is the key to security, and this mutual dream was caused by the matching of two pairs of subjecive thought... then in such a higher subjective world are we clear that there is some sort of rule of attraction? That certain thoughts and emotions will attract entities of different sorts?

[EdgeWizz7]

Yeah it does sound out there that I would even attempt 2 practice it but I am so curious as 2 how such a phenom could possibly happen. Its probably something that should be left alone and quite frankly may never be understood but ill never know unless I try. It could be quite dangerous unlocking the ability to do this as someone may try to inflict harm on another person in this state so I do not take this lightly. But like you said about the tv, there probably is more chance of an inanimate object coming 2 life and breakdancing or whatever. The amount of coincidences that have 2 be achieved in order for this 2 happen is extreme. What if my cousin were still awake would it have happened then?? The thought you brought up about being in relation to what so ever is quite good, I never really thought about it in that sense. oh well thats me im out.

[Elem3nt0]

wow nice story. i am falling more and more towards the conclusion that shared dreaming relies on being in a close proximity of the second dreamer, and maybe similar thoughts? Someone on here said that to pull this off you would both have to really KNOW and memorize the layout of wherever you are in your dream. This way, you both are having dreams of the same place, thus more likely to meet at that place in a dream. Dont read too far into what i am typing however cause this is only what i have heard.

[Naiya]

The short answer is, yes you can, and I highly recommend Robert Waggoner's Gateway to the Inner Self.

[Idolfan]

Ugh... I've just had people on the Astral Society forums tell me that smoking pot lets demons in... now I feel soooo kumpfdubble... I'm actually getting quite an interest into how the spirit world is divided. I have read that 'hell' is just supposed to be a place where souls are in torment because they cannot quench their deepest passions. Like, they were only concerned with worldly things in life so when they die they don't have a clue what to do, who to trust or where to go. And then there's supposed to be other levels. I've been thinking perhaps just being scared about bad spirits makes the whole thing worse. What can they really do to harm me if they are pathetic enough to go around doing the things that they do?

[EdgeWizz7]

Dont get me started on the topic of fallen angels (I dont like using the D word-Ill start freaking myself out) but yes they can hurt you and yes they do feed off fear. If you try 2 not be afraid of them, they will try to make you afraid. No one has 2 believe this but I do. If you believe in God then its logical there are angels and the other guys. If your mind is strong then you shouldnt have 2 much problems. Also drugs in ancient times were used by mediums of ancient Babylon 2 allow easier access 2 ones mind then they could perform there mumbo jumbo stuff through the help of the "D" guys. So I guess getting wasted before you sleep would have them rubbing there hands in anticipation. But thats just me so dont read to much into this if you dont believe it.

[Idolfan]

Dont get me started on the topic of fallen angels (I dont like using the D word-Ill start freaking myself out) but yes they can hurt you and yes they do feed off fear. If you try 2 not be afraid of them, they will try to make you afraid. No one has 2 believe this but I do. If you believe in God then its logical there are angels and the other guys. If your mind is strong then you shouldnt have 2 much problems. Also drugs in ancient times were used by mediums of ancient Babylon 2 allow easier access 2 ones mind then they could perform there mumbo jumbo stuff through the help of the "D" guys. So I guess getting wasted before you sleep would have them rubbing there hands in anticipation. But thats just me so dont read to much into this if you dont believe it. The Lucifer thing is a hoax. Have you read Isaiah chapter 14? Does it reference the devil at all? Who is Lucifer? Lucifer is the king of Babylon. Is Babylon symbolic? Well if it is then so must be Assyria, Lebanon, Phonecia, etc. etc. in the rest of the chapter. Very unlikely. Lucifer was never a fallen angel, it's bogus. Satan in the Hebrew scriptures is actually a servant of God. This changes all of a sudden in the New Testament for no apparent reason. But still, drugs. You can't put them into one big category unfortunately. All a drug does is change your brain chemistry, that's it. If drugs are bad then every time we go to sleep we might be in danger of something terrible. I smoke weed because it helps me appreciate my sensuality, which for me is the one thing that keeps demons away. Well, at least my inner ones.

[Asherah]

It can be very scary if you do not have complete confidence in your ability to control the situation. It's really cool once you learn how to though, for instance i entered a house and inside was a demonic old lady, and she told me that her son was coming down the stairs and was going to hurt me, so I immediately conjured up a huge giant to go after him. It's circumstances like this one that would have kept me from going higher in my lucidity. One day I just had enough of being scared and I looked a demon in eyes and made myself feel some sort of power, it enveloped me and i just knew that whatever this power was that i was feeling was making him back away from me, every since that day i've had no problems of anykind. Anyway good luck you'll eventually learn how if you stick with it, for me it was a must because i lucid dream every night almost.