Close to AP?

[Azatos]

Well I typed a whole goddamn topic but, my internet decided to cut out as I clicked the fucking post button Well last night after two attempts of projecting through SP, I finally got farther progress and much intense hallucinations, Screaming crying banging shattering glass. I was about to have a freak-out but, I managed to calm myself down... after that all the noises and feelings stopped except for the vibrations which got twice as intense and I heard a loud rushing noise in my ears. I managed to remember how to start APing, I visualized the location I wanted to go after I separated, well I visualized the vibrations as energy strands and saw two glowing arms come from my chest and start grabbing the strands. After that it got more intense and I tried every tip in the book, rolling out like how you would roll off the bed, imaging myself climbing a rope, well everything blacked out and I felt my arms raising up and I felt a very tough rope I also felt like I was in a centrifuge or something. But, after two minutes of struggling I just couldn't do anymore, so I told myself another day and managed to fall asleep. Was I close to getting AP, is there a specific method you use to separate? In terms of progress I've attempted this for two nights in a row with a total of 6 SP's achieved. EDIT: Also is it possible to achieve projection or an OOBE through a lucid dream?

[nina]

EDIT: Also is it possible to achieve projection or an OOBE through a lucid dream? I believe so, try meditating inside your lucid dream. From what I've learned, the type of AP you are attempting is the easiest way to achieve an AP on the lowest astral (earthly) plane. Meditation inside a lucid dream can result in projections to higher astral planes. Also...it's possible that you had such a difficult time because you were trying to jump the gun in a sort of way. When I first began consciously experiencing the vibrational state and hypnagogia I would occasionally get excited to start the dream and would make a bit of a more active, as opposed to passive, attempt at entering the dream world. Often it would end up in an "obe/ap-like" experience, but other times it just...wasn't happening. I learned that I had to be more patient and wait through the vibrational/HI states a bit longer sometimes than others. Eventually it will just sort of come more naturally to better judge when the right moment may be to either attempt to struggle out of SP and induce an OBE/AP or just wait it out until you actually enter a dream. And when you said it felt like you were in a centrifuge...I know exactly where you were. It may have just taken a little bit longer to wait. I've often wondered if that centrifugal motion is actually what allows the mind to separate from the body and float off. Sounds like you're super close regardless.

[Corello]

I personally think you are close to it, feeling like being in a centrifuge in a high intensity and all that. The only thing I do is to focus on my other/spirit/astral/imaginary body after relaxing my physical body. (I haven't even achieved it yet just so you know.) And, theorically, it is possible to achieve projection or an OOBE through a lucid dream. In practice, you just got to get the hang of it, IF, of course, YOU HAVE YOUR DREAM/SPIRIT GUIDE/GUARDIAN/GUARDIAN ANGEL/WHATEVER TAKES CARE OF YOU/THE PROTECTION OF YOUR SUBCONSCIOUS WITH YOU.

[kingofhypocrites]

You want to attempt OBE after the vibrations and rushing noises end and not a moment sooner.

[jessie1203]

Well I typed a whole goddamn topic but, my internet decided to cut out as I clicked the fucking post button Well last night after two attempts of projecting through SP, I finally got farther progress and much intense hallucinations, Screaming crying banging shattering glass. I was about to have a freak-out but, I managed to calm myself down... after that all the noises and feelings stopped except for the vibrations which got twice as intense and I heard a loud rushing noise in my ears. I managed to remember how to start APing, I visualized the location I wanted to go after I separated, well I visualized the vibrations as energy strands and saw two glowing arms come from my chest and start grabbing the strands. After that it got more intense and I tried every tip in the book, rolling out like how you would roll off the bed, imaging myself climbing a rope, well everything blacked out and I felt my arms raising up and I felt a very tough rope I also felt like I was in a centrifuge or something. But, after two minutes of struggling I just couldn't do anymore, so I told myself another day and managed to fall asleep. Was I close to getting AP, is there a specific method you use to separate? In terms of progress I've attempted this for two nights in a row with a total of 6 SP's achieved. EDIT: Also is it possible to achieve projection or an OOBE through a lucid dream? I SUCK at explaining stuff, but work with me... I'll give it a shot... Don't think about moving as you would in the physical body... Don't think about your hands... like, don't think as yourself like some sort of body leaving your physical body... you know like your "astral body" leaving your "physical body" NO!, forget about that... you say you see your 'astral arms going out' that means you're still thinking of yourself in your human form... this might be the reason why you are still attached to it... Think of yourself as some sort of energy... so when you're trying to go out just think of yourself as a chunk of energy leaving behind any physical form... Just give it a shot, think of yourself as this energy controlling that body of yours, and float out of it... after you're out, you can shape however you want... you'll be you again... I'm saying just when you're trying to get out... don't think of yourself as a body leaving the physical body... I hope you understood the idea behind this... I just think that you're still too attached to your physical... when you tell your mind to roll out in a body just like the one you already HAVE, the mind goes like huh?? so it won't let you go nowhere... So forget about your human form for a second and just get out!... I'm NOOO expert, this is just an opinion based on a lot of stuff I've been reading and well, based on the little experience I have... But anyways, It won't hurt to try, good luck!