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      Theory on why things dont work

      Many people say that when their dreams are very real they have a hard time with control, and nothing works. In a normal dream however, one your not lucid in, you can do anything. So this got me thinking.

      Maybe the more you think about something, the harder it is to do it. When your not lucid your not thinking about anything, you just do stuff like you have always done it, completely normal. When your highly lucid though you think more clearly and so think about stuff before doing it.

      Some times you learn to do stuff though, and you can do it all the time while lucid. This is because you expect them to happen. Its not because things happen because you expect them but because your so sure you put no thought into it, you just do it, like you would when your not lucid.

      Would also explain why you just can't seem to do stuff some times, even if you have done it a million times before. The more you keep thinking about it the harder it is. I don't think you can't do stuff, but they just get harder the more you think.

      What you think about that? Maybe someone who flys a lot can try standing on the ground before doing anything and say "I am going to fly, I am going to fly" over and over in their head, then think about how they are going to do it and try and see if it seems harder.

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      Actually, I was going to start a thread about a theory very similar to this.

      Recently I read a book about Avatar (it's just about being more blissful and stuff) and one of the main points that they stressed was: "Situation A is only difficult/easy/uncomfortable/etc only because I think it is" or "I'm unhappy/happy/etc only because I think I am"

      Now, if you use that philosophy for things other than dreaming it works well but if you say to yourself in a dream 'Flying is only hard because I think it's hard' then maybe it won't be that way and you could sore off into the sky.


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      Interesting, but my own experience goes agains this, it does not mean my way or the highway, this is possibly unique to me =D

      The more I know of something the more power I have over it, the more I know the underlying workings of something the easier it is to alter. The more I learn of natural laws the more I find I can bend them to my favor.

      Take a lock for instance, a long time ago, I could have tired willing it to open till I was blue in the face but it would not unlock, but learning of how locks work I am able to in a way become the lock and manipulate its inner workings and make it unlock, not by force not by miracle, but by simply actuating the mechanisms within using knowledge and will to move those mechanisms, telekenisis is not that hard in the dream world once you get the knack of it, and since it is a world higher in vibration it is easier to expend more energy there to perform such feats.
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      I agree, with Alric to certain degree.

      Example: few times I summoned a weapon *without* even thinking about it. I just reached behind me/ in my pocket and pulled out a weapon.
      But later, my weapon disappeared and I reached in my pocket again, consciously thinking it will be there... No luck.. I pulled out a bunch of random stuff tho

      Other time I found a locked door, looked away, looked back and door was open.

      I think the main idea is : dont doubt what you are doing. And dont think much about how you will accomplish something, just expect it to be done...

      maybe the logical part of our mind prevents us from getting what we want?

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      In real we don't have to control everything we do.
      We have light swiches to make it easy to control the electrisity that runs trough the lamp... In dreams we don't have any huge "server" that takes care of all the logical parts of the world around you, you are the world around you.

      If you think about it (and if you've read harry potter) you'ld see that it's quite the same when they are going to the track 9 and 3/4, they don't know how it works (at least not the first time), they just have to trust the persons that has walked trough there before, if they doubt if, they will get hurt (and a lot of people will look at them in a quite strange way).

      Same thing in the matrix, when neo are jumping between the roofs.
      It is in fact the doubt in his mind that makes his doubt correct. He cant fly unless he thinks he can.

      Same thing in the hitch hichers guide to the galaxy.. when they learn how to fly, they just have to not think about it... trow themselves at the ground and miss. If they don't expect to hit the ground, they won't.

      I think that you just have to make the same kind of connection in the dreams as you do for real. It's not the lock that stops you, it's not the door, it's defenetly not the wall. It's you!
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      For me, it is all about belief and not getting to tense about it.

      It is a lot like faith, you just sit back and have that calm assurance that what you will can come true.
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      i dont think dreams work like that there's another reason to it... it sall about thinking what is going to happen... turn on the light, and you think its gonna work... sometimes it does... (i could turn on my computer and chat to seeker in a ld)

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      I find that its a recipe of a little doubt and a too much focus on the thing in doubt that causes this.

      Eg. sometimes if its something that you KNOW will just happen... easily.. and you take it for granted and 'whip it out' for example (weapon)

      But if you are 'trying' to make it work, and you are watching intently for eg pulling the weapon out your pocket, then theres a higher likelihood it wont work.

      Just my experience of it...

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      This is my theory that i will use in my first self induced lucid dream, i'm guessing that you must just acept that thing being there like the weapons i want to summon are twin samuri swords, i will just thak the atitude that, "Oh, there is a sword in each of my hands" I guess I'll take the same aproach withflying "Oh look, I'm flying, how nice."
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