Controlling DCs

[Infraredkelp]

I had a lucid last night where I could actually control my friend! It started when we were having a conversation. I said something, then knew what he was gonna say (becase he always says it in waking life) and he said it. I then wondered if I could control his talking. I was suprised that it was extremely easy to do. I just thought about it in my head, then he said it! It was like he was reading my mind. I then went on to making him fly in circles and do all kinds of stuff. I then got bored and turned him into a giant pillow and then I flew off into the sunset on it.

[Lucidbulbs]

Haha, I love taking control of people, lucid or not it's wonderful to make them have to do things for ya

[Clairity]

I then got bored and turned him into a giant pillow and then I flew off into the sunset on it. .. .

[Snooze]

can you make them sing? *terrible idea cooking..*

[Oneiro]

I had a lucid last night where I could actually control my friend! It started when we were having a conversation. I said something, then knew what he was gonna say (becase he always says it in waking life) and he said it. I then wondered if I could control his talking. I was suprised that it was extremely easy to do. I just thought about it in my head, then he said it! It was like he was reading my mind. I then went on to making him fly in circles and do all kinds of stuff. I then got bored and turned him into a giant pillow and then I flew off into the sunset on it. According to Castaneda, there are two basic types of DCs: "phantom" projections of our minds, and "energy-based" independent entities. Sounds like you met up with a phantom projection, which are easy to control, seeing as they're a product of our own psyches. No big deal.

[BadStarr]

HAHAHA thats pretty funny, I'll have to try it. I love when my friends are there in my dreams because they act like themselves but at the same time, they do whatever I want them to. For example, if I'm fighting badguys and we're pinned down, I'll give one friend a gun and tell him to cover me. I'll tell the other one to run out and act like a diversion. They always do it, even if its suicide.

[Clairity]

I love when my friends are there in my dreams because they act like themselves but at the same time, they do whatever I want them to. I have never actually tried to bring people I really know into a lucid dream.. it just never occurred to me until reading yours and Infraredkelp's posts! * Clairity adds this to her "things to do while lucid" list.* .

[Infraredkelp]

According to Castaneda, there are two basic types of DCs: "phantom" projections of our minds, and "energy-based" independent entities. Sounds like you met up with a phantom projection, which are easy to control, seeing as they're a product of our own psyches. No big deal. You can catorgerize them however you want, but they are still in head. You can control anything you want. There is no such thing as an "independant DC" that you cannot control. Unless of course you are very inexperienced.

[Oneiro]

You can catorgerize them however you want, but they are still in head. You can control anything you want. There is no such thing as an "independant DC" that you cannot control. Unless of course you are very inexperienced. Well.. I'm very experienced and I tell you that you are wrong. There are plenty of "uncontrollable" DCs. Maybe you need some more experience. That's the thing with LDing.. just when you think you've got it all sussed, along comes something new which whacks you over the head. "Never say never" is a good phrase that applies to LDing. All the best.

[Infraredkelp]

Well.. I'm very experienced and I tell you that you are wrong. There are plenty of "uncontrollable" DCs. Maybe you need some more experience. First of all, I am a natural Lder and have been having LDs my entire life almost every night without even trying to have them, before I even found out about "lucid dreaming". Second of all, how can I be inexperienced when I can control all of my DCs? If there uncontrollable DCs in your dreams, than maybe it is you that needs more experience. "Never say never" is a good phrase that applies to LDing. It looks like your argument totally f*cked up right about there You're absolutely right, everything is possible. Which means you can control all DCs.

[Oneiro]

I genuflect before your magnificence. Yoiu're obviously a "lucid god". Heh. How old are you? 15?

[Infraredkelp]

Wow, nice comeback. Even though it's completely irrelevant.

[conisag]

Lol, were all friends here lads, everything is possible in your dream i think are all different and some are easy some are hard to control, but all can be.

[BeSomebody]

You can catorgerize them however you want, but they are still in head. You can control anything you want. There is no such thing as an "independant DC" that you cannot control. Unless of course you are very inexperienced. Either I'm inexperienced, you're wrong or Freddy Kruger is real because I just had an axe wielding psychopath survive my trying to make him vanish and crush him. He also followed me throughout the dream and spoke to me.

[Caradon]

It all depends on your mind set at the time. You obviously believe you can't control some dream characters. So obviously you won't be able to. The fact that something does not die when you try to kill it, really has no meaning at all.

[-Almost]

I am inexperienced. But from what you just described, if you CANT do something in your dream, then your obviously not the 'Lucid God'. Everything is controllable in your dream. Its all about how lucid you are in your dream. As described in the 'Dream Levels' Tutorial.

[Utherr]

Can some1 explain me the differences between "phantom projection DC" and "energy-based" DC?

[conisag]

Yeah me to please

[Oneiro]

Can some1 explain me the differences between "phantom projection DC" and "energy-based" DC? When you point your little finger at a DC, one of two things will happen: 1) Nothing. The DC remains unaltered. This is a "phantom projection"; 2) The DC morphs into a light structure that somewhat resembles an enlargement of a microscopic organism. This is an "energy-based" DC.

[Fiducio]

Well no matter what, DCs are still only a projection of what's in your head. So you shouldn't have a problem getting control over them over time.

[KuRoSaKi]

I can control the vast majority of my DC's although on occassion there are those who do not listen or have no effect on. And I am also a natural LD'er been having them since I was 4 and can still remember LD's from way back in the day and I am 18 now. Although I would have to say that the majority of the time I have not been able to control an DC it was mostly my fault for not being as lucid as I thought I was.

[Oneiro]

Well no matter what, DCs are still only a projection of what's in your head. So you shouldn't have a problem getting control over them over time. What's your evidence for that?

[TheUncanny]

One could ask you the same question. Although I do like to leave room for the unknown, currently I do not ascribe to the energy-based DC theory. It’s the result of two things, my personal experiences of course and my otherwise “scientific” way of thinking. First and foremost, you cannot have any sort of credible evidence that DCs are energy based, other than that which can somehow be validated in the waking world. But even to this day, I do not know of a single experiment that could substantiate such a claim. here's the long and short of it: Energy based DCs are real argument: -Simply being able to control most or all of your DCs is not sufficient proof that no DCs are independent beings. Perhaps you have yet to run into a genuine energy-based DC. Or maybe you have, but when attempting to take control of it, your mind manifested your expectations, in effect, masking the energy based DC with a controllable, but illusory DC replica. Or in other words, the entity was still there, but it became hidden “underneath” the dream-facade you created by trying to control it. -Beliefs, doubts, and expectations all have a way of manifesting themselves when in a lucid dream. Thus believing that all DC’s are under your control could keep you trapped in a world of your own creation, simultaneously making you blind to the energy-based DCs that are there, but not seen. Energy based DCs aren’t real argument: -Even with experienced LDers, one or more aspects of one’s dream can seem to be hard or impossible to control, even if in reality they can be. Thus, simply because you cannot control certain DCs does not mean that such DCs are independent beings. -Beliefs, doubts, and expectations all have a way of manifesting themselves when in a lucid dream, thus believing (or even having the slightest suspicion) that some DCs are independent of yourself can manifest DC’s which seems to be beyond your (conscious) control. -A dream, by nature, is a creation of the mind. We have plenty of physical evidence suggesting this. Thus, unless having sufficient evidence otherwise, there is no reason to assume that anything in a dream is other than a creation of the mind as well. Given that, what reliable evidence do you have that DCs are independent beings, aside from thinking that you’re too “skilled” to be mistaken? As you can see, there are good reasons on both sides of the argument but in my mind the independent DC theory is wholly theoretical, whereas the dependent DC stance has a bit more actual hard evidence on its side. The truth is that you can’t really know for sure either way, and so its a matter of belief. But one thing is for sure, an individuals beliefs will manifest in a lucid dream, potentially hiding the truth as a result. And this is equally true for those who do not believe in energy-based DCs as it is those that do.

[Adrenaline Junkie]

Oh boy, as soon as i have a good lucid i'm gonna make them bullies from school do the most humiliating things, maybe even beat each other up, so satisfactory for me.

[trigotron]

Ok, i'm not very experienced with LD, however this matter is getting into the "oogy boogy"/newage aspect of this. If you actually believe that energy beings enter your head and present themselves as DCs in your LDs then that's your opinion, there's no proof of it or against it, it's "oogy boogy" (as mythbusters would say). However, there will always be something that even an experienced LDer cannot control, there are things that you simply can't make your mind do, it's different for every person but there will always be a mental barrier somewhere, and if you think you can truely do "anything" then you're lying because you have never tried "everything", see my point.