Maintaining lucidity and prolonging dreams

Ev · 08-05-2004 04:24 PM

few months ago I've read a ebook "do_obe" by some dude I dont remember

It's a pretty old book, and it's inclined towards occultism

so be warned.

Author discusses a lot of lucid dreaming concepts and one of them was particulary interesting. It was a "radio station theory of consciousness".
Basically author compared dreaming to radio - there are some dreams, but a lot of static, or "void". Scanning through void, dreamer can change dreams and reenter LD.

Tonight I had weird experience with void and "tuning" into a dream.

I had a dream with one of my major dreamsigns. It was a classroom and teacher was about to give us some major math test. Very soon I recognized it. As soon as I become lucid, I felt the overall instability of a dream.

I was fighting between staying in a dream and waking up... sure enough, soon I slipped into total darkness. However it wasnt an awakening or anything like that. It was "void" - a shaky state between dreaming and waking up. Usually LDs abruptly end and dreamer finds himself in the void. A lot of ppl (including me to this poing) just wake up.... But there's another solution.

Immidiately I started to concentrate on a dream. and brought it back.
Images emerged from the darkness and I was in the same dream again.

I got up and walked around. Feeling was incredible. attempting To prolong a dream, I said "it's a dream". unfortunately I woke up after that.

Same darkness and void. Once again, I focused on it and brought back images of the classroom. It was exactly the same with same people.

For the next 10 minutes I experienced full lucidity, interrupted by brief moments of "void", able to perform minor actions and telepathically converse with DCs... It was really cool.

During one of "void" periods I slipped into another school and pretty soon realized it's a dream. It was another cool experience.

At some point I decided to wake up and write the dreams down.

It was one of the weirdest experiences with Lucidity I ever had

Ev · 08-05-2004 04:26 PM

I'll post main ideas here:
"void" = total blackness around you, and you can either stay or wake up.

It is possible to navigate the dreams via "void"

You can prolong and reenter dream by rethinking it while in the "void"

Experiencing void doesnt mean the end of a dream...

Anyone had similar experiences?

**nightowl** · 08-06-2004 04:14 AM

that was pretty hectic. I dont think i can ever do that. I might've been in this "void" once, but i dont really remember it very well. and if i did, it was very fast.

**gameover** · 08-06-2004 04:27 AM

I posted somewhere earlier about going to "nowhere land" and slippinginto a non-dream non-awake state. But for me it would end with me losing lucidity and enetering a dream.

**Ales** · 08-06-2004 05:56 AM

Yes, I know what you mean by a void. I have experienced it quite often. Once after I fell asleep I felt like I was falling down, separating from my body. The darkness was all around me and all I could feel was a sound in my ears, as if the air was flowing past me as I was falling. At that point if you set your mind to a particular dream environment or scene, it will appear in front of you. So voids can be very usefull - if you know how to use them

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ALES

Ev · 08-07-2004 03:50 PM

Tonight I've tried "void" method again.
Results are absolutely amazing - I never lost lucidity, and prolonged dream to about 10-20 minutes real time (or 1-2 hours dream time).

Every time dream faded, I used very little willpower and reentered it in the same setting, with all the same dream characters.

During "void" periods, I attempted to control/set basic physics of a dream, such as gravity, inertia , and achieved some success...

looks like a new super method to me

**Jammy** · 08-08-2004 08:33 PM

Ive been in this "void" before some times to. Those times i managed to get back was when i just kept on feeling myself in the dream enviorment. Like when in the void, just keep on walking, starting to feel the underground and suddenly im in the dream landscape again, just trying to be there in the moment.

**Football86** · 08-08-2004 09:24 PM

I've read, and tried it, that when you get the darkness after a dream, just don't move or open your eyes and think about hte dream it will come back. Its probably the same thing your talking about.

Ev · 08-09-2004 07:49 AM

Originally posted by Football86
I've read, and tried it, that when you get the darkness after a dream, just don't move or open your eyes and think about hte dream it will come back. Its probably the same thing your talking about.

There's 2 quite close things:

1) you can break REM cycle, wake up and feel yourself on the bed with darkness behind your eyelids. If you lay motionless and relax, you will fall asleep again and most likely experience WILD or FA.

2)During a dream you can find your *body* in the middle of a "void" of total darkness. It is still one uninterrupted dream

**Football86** · 08-09-2004 07:45 PM

so the so called void is just you dreaming that everything is black. Does that happen when one dream ends, or one stage of sleep. I've never really experienced that, other than waking up and not opening my eyes or moving. Which i guess may have the same feeling. exept for the fact that you're aware of your body.

**lord soth** · 08-13-2004 05:42 AM

cool, i will have to try that, hopefully tonight...

**ironlung** · 08-13-2004 11:07 PM

Originally posted by lord soth
cool, i will have to try that, hopefully tonight... * *

Same. I keep going to voids and losing awareness. I remember doing this tonight very quickly, I wouldn't even consider it a LD because it went into the void so fast and got wisped away into another non-LD. I could barely remember doing this, like it didn't happen but then I remembered details about what I was trying to do: Get to my back yard. I don't even remember where I was before though.

The only difference between my first LD is I didn't look at my suroundings before trying to do something. I really need to just start moving/running next instead of issuing mental commands and losing it due to inexperience.

**Dragon** · 08-14-2004 05:26 AM

hmm the "void" thing sounds kinda like MILD
(where u put image of dream in ur head or whatever)
except a lot better

im gonna try that tonight sounds like it will wrk out good

Ev · 08-14-2004 03:55 PM

Originally posted by Dragon
hmm the \"void\" thing sounds kinda like MILD *
(where u put image of dream in ur head or whatever)
except a lot better *
im gonna try that tonight sounds like it will wrk out good

yeah, same concept, cause with void thingie you enter same scenery, so you know it's a dream.
and it can greatly prolong your LDs

**Dragon** · 08-14-2004 06:57 PM

oh man i rented a game yesterday and was playin it like till 4 am so i didnt even try a WBTB, but then i remembered reading about this before i went to sleep so I decided id try it out....The results were freaking amazing it kickd so much ass...
I was having sum dumb dream involving a weird place with lots of houses and then it ended but i remained in the "void" state where i realized i was asleep or sumthing because i tried the technique out and it worked! i almost immediately went lucid and i proceeded to fly around and go thru walls of buildings and such untill the dream faded and i lost lucidity..
Another dream l8er and i entered the void state, tried out the tech and acheived the same results! it was great, some of the best lucidity ive had(not much

)
Anywayz it sounds like Ev has hit upon a great new technique...
But what to call it?

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