Thread: evil presence

My God, but we have a lot of potential demon possession on the Dream Interpretation page today, so let me past over exactly what I told the other fellow... you could really use some Spiritual Protection, and for that you can find no better expertise then can be found in the Catholic Church. For over a dozen Centuries they have been developing defenses against demons. No other Religion has put quite the same efforts into demon fighting as the Catholic Church (I think that Demons have been in large part attracted to attacking Catholics because of the great tension within the Church between the glorious influences of the Blessed Virgin Mary in contrast to the antichristical doctrines of paul which all of the Bishops prefer). But, yes, the Catholic Church has a great deal in it for fighting and repelling demons.

Find a Catholic Goods Store or Catholic Book Store and buy the following: get a crucifix for your front door and for the wall of the room in which you sleep. Get a Miraculous Medal http://www.amm.org/medal.htm and then get a Saint Benedict Medal http://www.osb.org/gen/medal.html . In a nice small Catholic Bookstore on the poor side of town, these will cost practically no money at all. Our Lady the Blessed Virgin again shows a special patronage and protection to those who wear the Brown Scapular http://www.catholic-church.org/apcarmel/scapular.htm

You might buy a small statue or picture of Saint Michael the Archangel, the enemy of Satan and the Commander of the Legions of Angels whose express purpose is the destruction of Demons. Other Holy Pictures and Statues might suggest themselves to you, as you look around. If you find just the right shop, where the owner is also the store manager, then you will have somebody who will be able to enthusiastically answer any of your questions.

I also wear the chords of both Saint Joseph http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintj01.htm who is not specifically mentioned as a Power against Demons, however, I've been assured that there are not any more powerful Intercessionary Saints in Heaven than Saint Joseph. I also wear the chord of Philomena http://www.philomena.us/story_of_filomena.asp

I say the Rosary daily and also wear a very sturdy set of Rosary Beads, wooden beads on strong chord -- not none of those flimsy chains that women have. The Rosary Beads will come with a Crucifix, which is protective. For a little more punch I added a Saint Bernard Medal (the Greatest Saint at the height of Catholic Civilization) and a Saint Vincent Ferrer Medal (personifying the Angel of Judgment who lived just before the Collapse of Catholic Civilization. They say he was capable of a thousand miracles a day... that a day without a 1000 miracles from his hand would have been a 'miracle').


So, you can infer by now that one should not have to go up against Demons alone, but that one can enlist the Aid of Intercession from the Holy Spirits and Heavenly Entities and Influences in order to combat those that are evil.

Wow! thanks for all the great information. I've never really been that much of a religious person myself, but once I really start to contemplate the matter perhaps the fact that I am not that religious is why the demons took advantage of the situation. It might be the reason why I felt like I was in some sort of hellish limbo.

Anyway I sure hope it works because these experiences I have can be pretty scary.

Originally posted by LiquidSky
Wow! thanks for all the great information. I've never really been that much of a religious person myself, but once I really start to contemplate the matter perhaps the fact that I am not that religious is why the demons took advantage of the situation. It might be the reason why I felt like I was in some sort of hellish limbo.

Anyway I sure hope it works because these experiences I have can be pretty scary.

Oh, I forgot to mention Holy Water. If you find a nice Catholic Goods Store run by somebody with some enthusiam, then they would probably keep Holy Water. Or you can get some from the local Catholic Church... it is usually kept in that little room where the Priest gets ready for Mass. You can ask. You only need to get Holy Water once, as you can multiply it up using the following Rule: you can refill a Container of Holy Water as long as it is not more than halfway expended. Correlory to this Rule is that you can fill up other containers as long as you are careful not to pure out more than half of the primary container at a time. I turned a 2 ounce bottle of Holy Water from Lourdes France into 20 gallons that I have sitting around.

You can sprinkle Holy Water about your house or apartment. Holy Salt also, only I have heard that you cannot multiply up salt the way you can water, and that you have to get a Priest to bless salt everytime, which makes it not nearly as convenient as Holy Water.

You might not be a Catholic, but you may wish to take advantage of the Catholic Sacraments. You could officially convert to Catholicism, which would take more than a year, at this point on the Calendar, or you could do the following: go to a Catholic Church outside of your neighborhood by a good distance where people do not know you, and observe. Sit in the back, and just watch. Do NOT take the sacrament. If the Priest or anybody asks, tell them as little as possible. When you know exactly what to do and how to blend in exactly, then you can go to your Parish Church in your neighborhood, tell the Priest that you are new in town, and pretend you are Catholic and take the Sacraments like everyone else. But do make certain you read a few books first so you know alittle bit about what is happening below the surface.

Great thanks for the help

had a dream like that scared the hell out of me felt like i was in the room with the devil

Originally posted by Don128
had a dream like that scared the hell out of me felt like i was in the room with the devil

Yeah, Don, I've been telling you to get some Protections, just as I've been telling these other people, but you seem to crave the excitement of Demon Possession more than you fear it.

Originally posted by Don128
had a dream like that scared the hell out of me felt like i was in the room with the devil

Heh...It's good to know there are others who had the same experience.

Curiously, Pope John Paul was unable to cast out a demon from a girl in an impropmtu exorcism. (Unless, he, like Paul, was an "antichrist".)
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/popedemon.html


Seeing a demon behind every post and pillar is good for church coffers.


I saw a supposed exorcism on the telly a while back and it was laughable...

Originally posted by Worlds Within
Curiously, Pope John Paul was unable to cast out a demon from a girl in an impropmtu exorcism. (Unless, he, like Paul, was an \"antichrist\".)
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/popedemon.html


Seeing a demon behind every post and pillar is good for church coffers.


I saw a supposed exorcism on the telly a while back and it was laughable...

It often takes great deal of work to perform an exorcism, and, as you said, he was in an impromptu situation.

I read of one Exorcism which took a Bishop 21days, after the demon has put two of his priests in the hospital. He had to go to the Religious Orders within his parish and ask for assistance of their Prayer and Fasting, and he himself stopped eating, as a Penance that would give him that extra edge of Power he felt he needed.

And what is the Pope but a Bishop that was able to become popular among other Bishops. A Pope is simply an Administrator and an Executive. No special magic accompanies them. yes, there was the silly doctrine put forth, no so many years ago that states that Popes are Infallible, but that was perhaps the most Fallible of Rulings, since it has been used to make an Anti-Pope out of any Pope who ever happens to disagree with whatsoever another Pope might have said. It was silly for any Pope to claim anything but Executive Control of a Unified Church.

Oh, and regarding your comment that the Church popularizes demon possession. No, it really doesn't. Most Catholic Families live in well protected homes and so the issue rarely comes up.

Paradoxically, one sees the most of Demons with people who also see the most of Angels and who have the greatest exposure to Beatific Visions. One would suppose that there is something a bit Manic Depressive about it... or Bi-Polar. it is as though a person who is very Spiritually Sensitive is very much open to both the Positive and the Negative Influences. In History we hear a great deal of Sainted Monks and Nuns having contentions with Demonic Spirits, and within the districts of their Monasteries, which should have a great deal of spiritual protections, and so it seems odd that they should have become vulnerable. this is why I often suspect that Catholicism has exposed itself by incorporating some certain fatal flaws into its otherwise pristine set of Doctrines. The Paulist notion that Humanity is Saved by the Torture and Murder of Christ is nothing better than a criminal idea which Demons can do a great deal toward exploiting. We may have the Golden Rule at play here. Now take a Saint -- one with a very open Spiritual Temperament -- who supposes that it was ultimately a beneficial thing that Christ, the Messiah and Son of the Blessed Virgin Mary, was cruelly slaughtered, and that one should personally benefit from such criminality. The Golden Rule, here, which states, in the inverse, that one will receive to one's self as one wishes upon others, then we can only suppose that these Souls will receive some great deal of suffering in some of the same proportions as they wished upon Christ. If Christ must be tormented for Sin, then it only makes sense that any Holy Person should be tormented for Sin. These good and decent Saints find it difficult to escape from this moral logic. And the Demons step in and exploit it.

Christ, in Apparition, has often commented upon the subject of His Suffering. Each of the Stigmatic Saints was offered a Choice, as He appeared to them, of whether they would choose his Glory or His Suffering. As good Catholics, they all choose Suffering. Well, Suffering was indeed imposed upon the Christ, but we need to wonder whether that had been quite so inevitable as the Church under Paul had assumed. The Three Kings of the Orient and a great deal of Messianic thought at the time supposed a King of King was to rise up from the Seed of Abraham and the House of David. Nobody supposed it was all to end in a premature political assassination... not until after the fact. Everybody had been expecting a Glorification of the Messiah. And when Christ came in Apparition to these His Saints and again presented them with the Choice, what would have been so terribly wrong with choosing Glory for the Messiah. Why repeat the same mistake over and over and over.

You know, I would be much more aboard the Notion of Forgiveness of Sin if I could look at History and Civilization and discern that there has been any great deal of Forgiveness. But there has been none. After the Messiah was murdered, God destroyed Jerusalem. It was rebuilt and God destroyed it again. It was rebuilt and God destroyed it again. The Temple was eradicated, and the Murders of the Messiah were stripped of Prophecy and sent off in a Diaspora, forbidden their Promised land. Then those who adopted this Doctrine of Forgiveness by Messianic Murder and Suffering faired little better. Plagues and Wars ever assailed that Civilization. Would a Divine Forgivensess of Sins had brought a Universal Joy and Prosperity. But no, that is not what we have seen. We do not see Forgiveness, not even when Catholic doctrine was almost Universally adhered to at the very height of Catholic Civilization... indeed, that was when we had the Onslaught of the Black Plague. So, NO, God has not Forgiven a single Sin because Humanity Murdered the Messiah. In fact it seems that He may still be harboring a very serious Grudge.

This is something I thought of in my own personal dealings with similar experiences.
First, the inability to move sometimes is known as dream paralysis. Simply, its when you have slowed your body rythem down to what is concidered a meditation-like state. Your breathing slows and thus your heart rate slows.. same thing happens in self-meditation and so your muscules also become some what paralytic. Now as far as the evil presence that seems to surround you this may be the feeling of fear or panic from not being able to move. Your mind is awake but your body is asleep and this causes fear and to some extent you almost induce your own nightmare..

This is just a thought. I have also found that I can not have any noise other than a fan blowing while I sleep. Radio's, t.v.'s are off limits because for me it causes my mind to become too active while dreaming and I become restless in a dream state and this usually ends in a nightmare.

It is called sleep paralysis. Until you understand it the first response is almost always to be terrified and feel some evil presence. Yours seems to have a religious or spiritual overtone. These things can also have cultural forms, the old hag, alien abduction. Its nothing to be afraid of and if you learn to manage it it can be a portal to lucid dreams.

DreamKnight31, thanks for pointing out the simpler explanation.


I will mention the "Old Hag Syndrome" as interesting and pertinent.
http://www.castleofspirits.com/sleepparalysis.html
http://www.visionaryliving.com/articles/oldhag.html


Sleep paralysis is something I have never experienced. I speculate that since I am generally a light sleeper and easily aroused from sleep, that perhaps I am not physiologically disposed to sleep paralysis, as I immediately have muscular control back when awakened from a dream(which happens frequently.)

My wife, who is a sound sleeper, occasionally experiences sleep paralysis.

It was a thought based more I think on personal expierences. Its a strange sinsation and for me induces the nightmares more so than dream control. I physically have to fight myself to wake and avoid a night of nightmares.

wow! thanks guys thats pretty cool. thanks for all the great information this forum is great