Old dream: What's it all mean?

[JadeTora]

The dream starts simply. I'm me, as I am now.. In my 20's maybe 19 or so which was odd because at the time I was about 11 when I had this dream, how could I know how I'd turn out and how I'd be to dream about myself? I find it curious thinking back on the dream because it was me as I am. I'm standing in the middle of an odd town square of some sort. It's kind of an 'olde time' village or town with old oddly coloured buildings ( varying colours of red, brown and gray, the type you'd expect from a place like this ), cobble stone walkways and streets ( Stones all laid together neatly to form a 'street' ) with a fountain in the center of the square. It's night time, the wind is crisp and cool and feels good I'm just standing there when three figures seem to emerge from the shadows. They're three women. Wearing Victorian style dresses, very fancy and very expensive looking finery. Young looking, probably 14-15 or so and fairly odd looking. They are extremely pale, one is brunette, the other blond and the other red headed - I cannot see their faces due to shadows that seem to stay over their eyes and discernible features keeping me from actually knowing what they looked like. Being me, I didn't say anything but watched them for a few seconds and then felt an overwhelming desire to not be there at that time. I start running.. Running like HELL broke loose behind me and running specifically from them. They're trailing behind me, I'm a fast person; ridiculously so. I'm an extremely athletic and I should be able to leave frail small little girls like this in the dust, my long legs seem to be failing me though as they seem to be with very little effort, keeping up to me. I CANNOT out run them, it seems like the more I put into my mad dash the more tired I'm becoming and they're not even breaking a sweat! Honestly, it's infuriating. I feel the cold smooth sensation of cloth running over my face as I run straight through a clothes line and towards the open door of my home which now strangely is here, it's no longer an 'olde time village', it's my modern day home. Without wasting a second, I slam the door shut behind me. Surely I'm safe here, right? I think to myself.. And I feel calm now and turn, I can work out the details of what exactly just happened and figure out how to handle it now that I am safe and have the time to think.. That is.. Until I turn around.. All three figures are standing there right in front of me as I start forward and that's IMPOSSIBLE, my mind screams out because I just closed the door and locked it on them! They can't be inside because there's no other possible way they could have entered. The blond one steps forward and quickly raises her hand towards me in not an aggressive motion more like she's reaching for my face but one that is nonetheless so quick and unimaginably fast that I am suddenly shaken and put in awe of the sheer speed. And I woke up in my bedroom, breathing in a cold sweat and rushed to turn on a light. I didn't go to sleep for the rest of that night. Anyone have any clue what it means?

[IrisRavenstar]

Hi Jade, I'm wondering about your feelings about Wicca or witchcraft? Are you afraid of it? Or afraid of someone you know who practices it? The colors of the Triple Goddess in old Pagan religions are white, red, black, standing for Virgin, Mother, and Crone. This is reflected in the colors of the three young womens' hair. There's nothing obvious in the dream to explain why you'd be so afraid of them other than this symbol that says they are witches. Perhaps the old time setting refers to something you're reading about witchcraft in early times, like in Salem, Massachusetts? Or in other earlier times when there were witch burnings and the like? What do you know about those times, and what really was taking place? Do you know, for example, that the "witches" in Salem were not witches? That the whole situation was based on hysteria? Or that most of the women burned at the stake were simply people using herbal medicine, or old women no one wanted to take care of? Ridiculous reasons were used for labelling someone a witch and horribly abusing them. Just having a wart or a mole could get a woman burned, as they called it a devil's mark. It was a horrible time, really, full of ignorance and superstition. I know they're doing a new TV show called Eastwick, which is based on the movie "The Witches of Eastwick." Both are based on the novel by John Updike. In both, the three witches have hair colored like this, and they've been running ads for the show which will be starting soon. I forget which network. I read a good novel a long time ago that played out an ongoing relationship, through lifetimes, of witches and Christians. It was interesting. _Catmagic_ by Whitley Strieber. Of course, in your dream, something magickal was going on after you returned to your house, but that doesn't explain your initial fear of them. I think you need to examine how you feel about witchcraft, what you really know, what you perhaps need to learn to understand it better. Nothing gets rid of fear as well as knowledge.

[JadeTora]

Hi Jade, I'm wondering about your feelings about Wicca or witchcraft? Are you afraid of it? Or afraid of someone you know who practices it? The colors of the Triple Goddess in old Pagan religions are white, red, black, standing for Virgin, Mother, and Crone. This is reflected in the colors of the three young womens' hair. There's nothing obvious in the dream to explain why you'd be so afraid of them other than this symbol that says they are witches. Perhaps the old time setting refers to something you're reading about witchcraft in early times, like in Salem, Massachusetts? Or in other earlier times when there were witch burnings and the like? What do you know about those times, and what really was taking place? Do you know, for example, that the "witches" in Salem were not witches? That the whole situation was based on hysteria? Or that most of the women burned at the stake were simply people using herbal medicine, or old women no one wanted to take care of? Ridiculous reasons were used for labelling someone a witch and horribly abusing them. Just having a wart or a mole could get a woman burned, as they called it a devil's mark. It was a horrible time, really, full of ignorance and superstition. I know they're doing a new TV show called Eastwick, which is based on the movie "The Witches of Eastwick." Both are based on the novel by John Updike. In both, the three witches have hair colored like this, and they've been running ads for the show which will be starting soon. I forget which network. I read a good novel a long time ago that played out an ongoing relationship, through lifetimes, of witches and Christians. It was interesting. _Catmagic_ by Whitley Strieber. Of course, in your dream, something magickal was going on after you returned to your house, but that doesn't explain your initial fear of them. I think you need to examine how you feel about witchcraft, what you really know, what you perhaps need to learn to understand it better. Nothing gets rid of fear as well as knowledge. I think this interpretation is dead wrong. I know plenty about Wicca, The Goddess, The Summerland and Witch Craft and I fear none of them, I don't personally agree with them; I'm Buddhist.. But I don't fear them, certainly. Even my boyfriend is a Wiccan. I'm also not a Christian and whilst I don't care for a word as strong as 'hate', I certainly have no love for the majority of them. This is why I think this is wrong.

[IrisRavenstar]

I think this interpretation is dead wrong. I know plenty about Wicca, The Goddess, The Summerland and Witch Craft and I fear none of them, I don't personally agree with them; I'm Buddhist.. But I don't fear them, certainly. Even my boyfriend is a Wiccan. I'm also not a Christian and whilst I don't care for a word as strong as 'hate', I certainly have no love for the majority of them. This is why I think this is wrong. You know, it's really rude to respond with "I think this interpretation is dead wrong." Have you been around dream areas much? For people to even bother with giving you an interpretation is a gift of their time, whether or not the interpretation resonates with you. Try expressing a little gratitude instead of attitude! You certainly appeared afraid of these three young women in the dream. They certainly acted like witches in movies often do, able to bilocate and appear indoors without having any obvious way in. What else do YOU think they could be, if you can manage to think of something without getting snotty about it? All I can tell you is what the symbols mean, and three women with those colors of hair represent the Triple Goddess. Three women who can magickly appear inside your home are appearing magically. It's not that much of a stretch to say that if you're afraid of them, at some level, you are probably afraid of Wicca or witches or something related to them, even if you think consciously that you are not. Dreams come from our subconscious, and often try to make us aware of deeper feelings and ideas of which we are not conscious. It's called repression when we stuff these things. Dreams try to bring them to our attention so we can think about them, and see if we need to change some of our beliefs and ideas and move in a new direction.

[JadeTora]

You know, it's really rude to respond with "I think this interpretation is dead wrong." Have you been around dream areas much? For people to even bother with giving you an interpretation is a gift of their time, whether or not the interpretation resonates with you. Try expressing a little gratitude instead of attitude! You certainly appeared afraid of these three young women in the dream. They certainly acted like witches in movies often do, able to bilocate and appear indoors without having any obvious way in. What else do YOU think they could be, if you can manage to think of something without getting snotty about it? All I can tell you is what the symbols mean, and three women with those colors of hair represent the Triple Goddess. Three women who can magickly appear inside your home are appearing magically. It's not that much of a stretch to say that if you're afraid of them, at some level, you are probably afraid of Wicca or witches or something related to them, even if you think consciously that you are not. Dreams come from our subconscious, and often try to make us aware of deeper feelings and ideas of which we are not conscious. It's called repression when we stuff these things. Dreams try to bring them to our attention so we can think about them, and see if we need to change some of our beliefs and ideas and move in a new direction. I think you're being a tad bit too sensitive. I didn't say I didn't appreciate your response, just that it was probably wrong. I'm not scared of witches.. or Wicca. Fact of the matter is, I don't believe in magic or 'magick' or whatever period. The only power I believe in is the power of my own spirit, I'm a Martial Artist and I don't really fear a whole lot. I don't think yours was correct. That's that, it's very simple; there's nothing 'snotty' or rude about it. I appreciate your time, but you're mistaken. As for why I was disturbed by them? I couldn't tell you, I just know it wasn't that as an instinctive gut feeling. There was something wrong with them. Something more than could just be seen on the surface as if they weren't exactly what they appeared to be. That's all I can tell you, I don't know how to explain it better, it was a very strange feeling. I had a lot of odd emotions when in their presence that I couldn't quite pinpoint and that seemed very.. Twisted is the only word I can make for it. Thorny and very difficult to place.

[Baron Samedi]

Well, you ask for interpretation, then, you say it's wrong. How do you know another's interpretation is wrong when you have no interpretation of your own? There is only one way. You are comparing someone else's interpretation with some semblance of your own. If you have no personal interpretation, then no one else's can be wrong. Do you see what I am saying? Whether saying, "you're dead wrong" is rude or not, it's always polite to say thank you to someone when you ask for something, and they give it to you.

[JadeTora]

Well, you ask for interpretation, then, you say it's wrong. How do you know another's interpretation is wrong when you have no interpretation of your own? There is only one way. You are comparing someone else's interpretation with some semblance of your own. If you have no personal interpretation, then no one else's can be wrong. Do you see what I am saying? Whether saying, "you're dead wrong" is rude or not, it's always polite to say thank you to someone when you ask for something, and they give it to you. It's exactly what I'm doing. I have posted the same dream on other sites and am trying to see if anyone comes up with an interpretation I feel is right. I know if I could place my finger on it I'd realize what it was and why but that's the problem, I can't do it alone and no matter how much I wrack my mind over it I haven't been able to draw a conclusion myself. Despite a talent for introspection I figured, y'know. Why not turn to others for assistance? I say it's wrong because that's what my gut instinct tells me. I think you're breathing too much life into text on the internet. Text does not carry emotion nor does it carry intent. I did thank that person and I will repeat, I do appreciate their time but I also believe they were wrong.

[Baron Samedi]

It's exactly what I'm doing. I have posted the same dream on other sites and am trying to see if anyone comes up with an interpretation I feel is right. I know if I could place my finger on it I'd realize what it was and why but that's the problem, I can't do it alone and no matter how much I wrack my mind over it I haven't been able to draw a conclusion myself. Despite a talent for introspection I figured, y'know. Why not turn to others for assistance? I say it's wrong because that's what my gut instinct tells me. I think you're breathing too much life into text on the internet. Text does not carry emotion nor does it carry intent. I did thank that person and I will repeat, I do appreciate their time but I also believe they were wrong. You say one thing is wrong, without knowing what is right! If your gut instinct is so wise, why don't you ask it the meaning? You say you have no fear, yet you are terrified by a dream, something that doesn't exist. I laugh at thee from on high, for I have had hundreds of lucid dreams! I actually know the interpretation of your dream, but I am not going to tell you, because I deem you unworthy! You are so blinded by ridiculous false beliefs that you will be doomed to a life of misery! Haha! You are so ridiculous! You want help, but then spit in the face of the people trying to give it to you. What a fool you are. A sad lost pathetic fool, afraid of images created by her own mind. If you have gotten this far, you are probably pissed off. I meant to piss you off. That was my intent. Do you feel [B]emotion[B] from the text I have written? Please don't be offended. I did it to make a point, and you will learn something if you can let go of your pride, and stop with the antagonistic attitude. The point is text does carry emotion and intent. You will learn the meaning of your dream, but first you must learn humility. Until then, your ears will be deaf to the truth.

[JadeTora]

You say one thing is wrong, without knowing what is right! If your gut instinct is so wise, why don't you ask it the meaning? You say you have no fear, yet you are terrified by a dream, something that doesn't exist. I laugh at thee from on high, for I have had hundreds of lucid dreams! I actually know the interpretation of your dream, but I am not going to tell you, because I deem you unworthy! You are so blinded by ridiculous false beliefs that you will be doomed to a life of misery! Haha! You are so ridiculous! You want help, but then spit in the face of the people trying to give it to you. What a fool you are. A sad lost pathetic fool, afraid of images created by her own mind. If you have gotten this far, you are probably pissed off. I meant to piss you off. That was my intent. Do you feel [B]emotion[B] from the text I have written? Please don't be offended. I did it to make a point, and you will learn something if you can let go of your pride, and stop with the antagonistic attitude. The point is text does carry emotion and intent. You will learn the meaning of your dream, but first you must learn humility. Until then, your ears will be deaf to the truth. Not really. And your point kind of failed. I think you should calm down, step back and get over yourself before you drive yourself into an aneurysm over being so tight. My gut instinct can't answer all my questions, that's why I need help. I'm not scared of the dream but I feel like it had some significance and meaning. Or why would it have been so real and stuck with me for so long? I said I didn't fear much, not that I didn't fear anything and I know what I fear and witches and Wicca aren't something I fear. I don't know why I felt fear, true enough but from this suggestion I at least know it wasn't because of 'witches' or 'wicca'. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion and if that's how you feel about me, that's how you feel about me. Rather crass and quick to judge someone like that whom you've never met or gotten to know, but that's cool. If that's how you feel about me, I respect your opinion. I've also got plenty of humility. But, again. If your opinion is that I don't, that's fine. Just rather quick and snap judgment for not actually knowing me, I think. Please don't be offended by me and take a chill pill.

[Baron Samedi]

Not really. And your point kind of failed. I think you should calm down, step back and get over yourself before you drive yourself into an aneurysm over being so tight. My gut instinct can't answer all my questions, that's why I need help. I'm not scared of the dream but I feel like it had some significance and meaning. Or why would it have been so real and stuck with me for so long? I said I didn't fear much, not that I didn't fear anything and I know what I fear and witches and Wicca aren't something I fear. I don't know why I felt fear, true enough but from this suggestion I at least know it wasn't because of 'witches' or 'wicca'. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion and if that's how you feel about me, that's how you feel about me. Rather crass and quick to judge someone like that whom you've never met or gotten to know, but that's cool. If that's how you feel about me, I respect your opinion. I've also got plenty of humility. But, again. If your opinion is that I don't, that's fine. Just rather quick and snap judgment for not actually knowing me, I think. Please don't be offended by me and take a chill pill. I actually don't mean any of those insults. I just did it to show you how antagonistic you are, and to show you that text does carry reaction, hence your again, antagonistic reaction. You are telling me what to do, "calm down" "take a chill pill" because my antagonistic [B]text[B] bothered you. In other words, if I was calm, and chill, then you would not be writing to me in imperative sentences. The only judgment I have of you is this: You are antagonistic, which is revealed by your imperative sentences. And you are prideful, revealed by saying you have plenty of humility. I am prideful. I know I am right. Are you right? Or could you possibly be wrong? Your answer reveals your level of humility. Your interpretation evades you still.

[JadeTora]

I actually don't mean any of those insults. I just did it to show you how antagonistic you are, and to show you that text does carry reaction, hence your again, antagonistic reaction. You are telling me what to do, "calm down" "take a chill pill" because my antagonistic [B]text[B] bothered you. In other words, if I was calm, and chill, then you would not be writing to me in imperative sentences. The only judgment I have of you is this: You are antagonistic, which is revealed by your imperative sentences. And you are prideful, revealed by saying you have plenty of humility. I am prideful. I know I am right. Are you right? Or could you possibly be wrong? Your answer reveals your level of humility. Your interpretation evades you still. If you say so.

[JadeTora]

Sooo, moving on. If anyone else has any suggestions or thoughts on what the dream could mean, please share; your suggestion is most welcomed and will be most appreciated.

[IrisRavenstar]

Hello Jade, I do not think that telling you that your way of speaking was offensive is being "too sensitive." But your need to call me that says to me that perhaps you are! You were rude, and I know rudeness when I see it. Now, given your fear within the dream, something is going on here that you do not want to hear. I don't need martial arts, because I know that I have Spirit and inner guides and angels watching over me, and don't need them, just like I don't have weapons in my home, and don't practice any kind of offensive magick at all. People take martial arts and buy weapons and the like because they are fearful, don't they? This dream, however, was full of fear. Now, perhaps you could consider another idea. Perhaps you have inner guides and angels who are concerned about your perception of Wicca or witches, and who are trying to warn you to be LESS open in your responses? I am not Wiccan because I made decisions about what I believe about God/dess and the use of magick that are not in line with that religion, though I have learned about it and find much of it quite interesting. I'm a monotheist, believing in one God/dess or Great Spirit or Holy Spirit who has both masculine and feminine aspects, for instance, not a polytheist. I don't believe in using any kind of offensive magick, only defensive magick. There are a lot of things to consider when thinking about any religion, and deciding what works for you. I've met witches who really think more like I do, and use their gifts to help and heal, and I've met ones who give me cold chills because they use their gifts so manipulatively, with no real concern about harming others through their actions. Maybe you have encountered some of the latter as well. As for getting a lot of response from others here, there are not a lot of interpreters posting. There is Liz, who seems to be away, and there is me, and occasionally someone else pops in for a bit, but she and I are the only two I've seen doing it regularly since I've been here. Not a lot of interpreters. Some people are opposed to interpretation at all, feeling only the dreamer should do it, especially IASD members if there are any here, as it is their idea of ethics in dreamwork. Some don't know how to do it because they haven't gotten into that aspect of dreaming, and this is, after all, a forum more focused on lucid dreaming than on interpretation. Not everyone who reads a post comments or does interpretation. Some are reading in the process of learning how or getting new ideas for their own dreamwork. I am, watching the back and forth here, beginning to understand the Tora in your name! Just sincerely try to *consider* that this has to do with Wicca. Give it time to settle in and feel it as well. Wiccans use "magick" to distinguish the real thing from what illusionists do as magic. That is the difference in the spellings. Anyway, as always, it's your dream, and it's up to you to eventually decide what it means. I've tried to help, and if it isn't helpful, then toss it. Just try being more polite about it in the future when you don't agree.

[JadeTora]

Hello Jade, I do not think that telling you that your way of speaking was offensive is being "too sensitive." But your need to call me that says to me that perhaps you are! You were rude, and I know rudeness when I see it. That's.. Uh.. Yeah, no. I wasn't being rude, in fact.. I even sent you a private message apologizing if I offended you because it wasn't the intent behind my text. But, okay. Now, given your fear within the dream, something is going on here that you do not want to hear. I don't need martial arts, because I know that I have Spirit and inner guides and angels watching over me, and don't need them, just like I don't have weapons in my home, and don't practice any kind of offensive magick at all. People take martial arts and buy weapons and the like because they are fearful, don't they? This dream, however, was full of fear. Like all witches learn witchcraft to summon demons and worship Satan, right? ...I'm being facetious by the way. No, if that's what you think about Martial Arts you obviously know nothing about it and nothing about why people learn it. It's not because of fear, it's for inner strength and peace of mind. Not peace of mind because you fear something but peace of mind because you're always striving to make your body and mind a little bit better and a little bit stronger. I personally don't believe in angels, God or any 'higher power', my life and my path is dictated by no one and nothing - I dislike most religions vastly simply because they've got the preconceived notion that they're 'right' and by proxy you're wrong and how could you question them because obviously theirs is the only way? - Yeah, no. Not me. Now, perhaps you could consider another idea. Perhaps you have inner guides and angels who are concerned about your perception of Wicca or witches, and who are trying to warn you to be LESS open in your responses? I am not Wiccan because I made decisions about what I believe about God/dess and the use of magick that are not in line with that religion, though I have learned about it and find much of it quite interesting. I'm a monotheist, believing in one God/dess or Great Spirit or Holy Spirit who has both masculine and feminine aspects, for instance, not a polytheist. I don't believe in using any kind of offensive magick, only defensive magick. There are a lot of things to consider when thinking about any religion, and deciding what works for you. I've met witches who really think more like I do, and use their gifts to help and heal, and I've met ones who give me cold chills because they use their gifts so manipulatively, with no real concern about harming others through their actions. Maybe you have encountered some of the latter as well. This has nothing to do with Wicca or Witches and nothing to do with 'angels', that's what I feel. That's that. True enough, there's something abnormal going on in them and it's definitely bordering on what I suppose would be 'magic' or 'magick', but it's not what I feel is right. This is something else, it's very.. Odd. As for getting a lot of response from others here, there are not a lot of interpreters posting. There is Liz, who seems to be away, and there is me, and occasionally someone else pops in for a bit, but she and I are the only two I've seen doing it regularly since I've been here. Not a lot of interpreters. Some people are opposed to interpretation at all, feeling only the dreamer should do it, especially IASD members if there are any here, as it is their idea of ethics in dreamwork. Some don't know how to do it because they haven't gotten into that aspect of dreaming, and this is, after all, a forum more focused on lucid dreaming than on interpretation. Not everyone who reads a post comments or does interpretation. Some are reading in the process of learning how or getting new ideas for their own dreamwork. I'm a very patient person. I can wait for the next suggestion. I am, watching the back and forth here, beginning to understand the Tora in your name! Do you know what Tora means? Just sincerely try to *consider* that this has to do with Wicca. Give it time to settle in and feel it as well. I have considered and it does not. Wiccans use "magick" to distinguish the real thing from what illusionists do as magic. That is the difference in the spellings. That's fine for them, like I said. My boyfriend is Wiccan. I am not, however. Their beliefs do not reflect on me and I don't appreciate having someone trying to cram them down my throat. Anyway, as always, it's your dream, and it's up to you to eventually decide what it means. I've tried to help, and if it isn't helpful, then toss it. Just try being more polite about it in the future when you don't agree. I've tried to be polite and tried to indicate to you that I appreciate your post but I respectfully decline it's contents and that I feel it's wrong. Nothing I've done has been rude, I've even private messaged you before you posted this and you've disregarded it until recently and insisted upon calling me rude. I'm waiting patiently for the right thing to come and I know when someone suggests the right interpretation for this dream or even something that vaguely resembles it that I will suddenly realize what it means. Until then, I can wait patiently and endure.

[IrisRavenstar]

I've tried to be polite and tried to indicate to you that I appreciate your post but I respectfully decline it's contents and that I feel it's wrong. Nothing I've done has been rude, I've even private messaged you before you posted this and you've disregarded it until recently and insisted upon calling me rude. I'm waiting patiently for the right thing to come and I know when someone suggests the right interpretation for this dream or even something that vaguely resembles it that I will suddenly realize what it means. Until then, I can wait patiently and endure. And you know damned well that I had not seen your private message at the time I wrote the other one, JadeTora, because I told you that, also privately. But hey, that's why you wrote the private message right, to add some confusion here? Then you pull it in publicly. Why didn't you just apologzie publicly in the first place? Your "voice" is familiar, and you are no friend, obviously. It's a good thing you can endure and wait patiently, because I will surely not be responding to another one of your dreams, and I doubt anyone else witnessing your behavior will either, unless it's another new screen name that you create yourself.

[JadeTora]

And you know damned well that I had not seen your private message at the time I wrote the other one, JadeTora, because I told you that, also privately. But hey, that's why you wrote the private message right, to add some confusion here? Then you pull it in publicly. Why didn't you just apologzie publicly in the first place? Your "voice" is familiar, and you are no friend, obviously. It's a good thing you can endure and wait patiently, because I will surely not be responding to another one of your dreams, and I doubt anyone else witnessing your behavior will either, unless it's another new screen name that you create yourself. -Edited out, no response required for this.-

[JadeTora]

Moving on.. If anyone has any suggestions, I'm quite open to hear them and they will be very appreciated.

[IrisRavenstar]

Obviously, you don't know how to stop arguing and bickering, so I'll just make it easy and set you to "ignore." Goodnight.

[JadeTora]

Once more.. Let's try this again, moving on.. If anyone has a suggestion it'd be greatly appreciated, I'd also like to point out that I had another dream concerning this in a.. Cleaner thread.. http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=83031 It may be prudent to go ahead and post there after reading this post. Thank you.