Thread: Atheist Experience (t.v. show Austin)

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Originally Posted by ShadowNightWing

Yeah SHOT DOWN! It is not a type-o. You have not yet refuted any of my information. The entire basis of this argument derives on "New Information" arising out of chance and not a design mechanism. You have shown literally nothing. You tried the following unsuccessfully.

Bacteria digesting nylon – You failed!

Plasmids – You failed!

Abiogenesis – You failed!

Mutations – You failed!

Viruses and Bacteria – You failed!

Crystals – You failed!

You have not given me anything that gives new information whatsoever so Yes your argument has been shot to pieces. My basis has been proven and you have not disproven it. You are the one left with showing information arising just by chance or accidently which you have yet to prove.

Wow! Shadow you just ripped that poor dear lad' to shreads That's freaking hilarious! I hate to be the embarasement of that guy. Oh man that's funny.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Wow! Shadow you just ripped that poor dear lad' to shreads That's freaking hilarious! I hate to be the embarasement of that guy. Oh man that's funny.

Embarrassed? I'm still waiting for all the supposed defeats that I'm somehow suffered. I haven't seen a shred of documentation on how ID supposedly explains anything I've presented

ETA:

Originally Posted by ShadowNightWing

Yeah SHOT DOWN! It is not a type-o. You have not yet refuted any of my information. The entire basis of this argument derives on "New Information" arising out of chance and not a design mechanism. You have shown literally nothing. You tried the following unsuccessfully.

Bacteria digesting nylon – You failed!

Plasmids – You failed!

Abiogenesis – You failed!

Mutations – You failed!

Viruses and Bacteria – You failed!

Crystals – You failed!

You have not given me anything that gives new information whatsoever so Yes your argument has been shot to pieces. My basis has been proven and you have not disproven it. You are the one left with showing information arising just by chance or accidently which you have yet to prove.

Let me just put down examples for all the things I've supposed to have failed on:
Beneficial Mutations:
http://www.gate.net/~rwms/EvoMutations.html

Evolution causing increases in Information:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I14KTshLUkg

Abiogenesis:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozbFerzjkz4

Antibiotic Resistance in Bacteria:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibiotic_resistance

Viruses:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV#Genetic_variability

Now, let's see some examples of how ID is supposed to work.

Originally Posted by bluefinger

Embarrassed? I'm still waiting for all the supposed defeats that I'm somehow suffered. I haven't seen a shred of documentation on how ID supposedly explains anything I've presented

You still haven't shown how new information can arise naturalistically. God is the creator of information hence, this is where DNA comes from. As far as I have seen, you still have explaining to do. You haven't delievered anything that would hold water in a court system.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

You still haven't shown how new information can arise naturalistically. God is the creator of information hence, this is where DNA comes from. As far as I have seen, you still have explaining to do. You haven't delievered anything that would hold water in a court system.

I just explained this iwth Rocks and Feces.

Do try to keep up.

But then you are claiming all informaiton comes from one entitty-- So then your task is now to prove this entity since you just pushed it to the point of such extreme redundancy Occam's Razor has just shaved it away.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

I just explained this iwth Rocks and Feces.

Do try to keep up.

But then you are claiming all informaiton comes from one entitty-- So then your task is now to prove this entity since you just pushed it to the point of such extreme redundancy Occam's Razor has just shaved it away.

No No you got it all wrong, that's not my task. I know My God exist, therefore I don't need to prove it to you. Your mission is to prove me wrong.

Good luck!

Edit: BTW I saw your explanation of rocks and fecal matter, at the same time I saw how Shadow knocked that one down and yet you have delievered nothing else to the table, besides "OH WELL INFORMATION DOESN"T EXIST" give me a break!

Ne-Yo:

Congratulations on your epic failure at the follwoing:

- Science and the principles of truths and logic
- Proofs
- Understanding what someone else says in a post.

You are such a dumbass I find it hard to believe you even took middle-school science.

And I had already said information did not exist.

This is because anything can be information. In fact, everything can be labeled as information.

It does not exist in the same way that Morals do not exist; simply because they are labels for something that change arbitrarly.

You say information has to have intent: I state otherwise and all you do is change the definition of information.

But at least Shadow contributed, instead of being a mindless, trolling idiot with nothing to say but "lul u admited dufeat i win lolz!", etc, etc...

If you have soemthing constructive to say then by all mean say it: Otherwise I am kindly asking you to

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

You haven't delievered anything that would hold water in a court system.

I added more to my previous post on examples to show what I'm arguing about. However, I have yet to see anything on how ID is supposed to work in detail, so now the burden of proof lies upon the advocates of ID to provide that very information.

Even if Evolution was debunked, you'd be left in a position where you still have to prove ID to be correct. It isn't a case of "If A is wrong, then B must be true!", it is a case of "If A is wrong, then I must show how B is true".

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

No No you got it all wrong, that's not my task. I know My God exist, therefore I don't need to prove it to you. Your mission is to prove me wrong.

Good luck!

Edit: BTW I saw your explanation of rocks and fecal matter, at the same time I saw how Shadow knocked that one down and yet you have delievered nothing else to the table, besides "OH WELL INFORMATION DOESN"T EXIST" give me a break!

That is worthy of being added to FSTDT. Seriously...

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Ne-Yo:

Congratulations on your epic failure at the follwoing:

- Science and the principles of truths and logic
- Proofs
- Understanding what someone else says in a post.

You are such a dumbass I find it hard to believe you even took middle-school science.

And I had already said information did not exist.

LOL. you're a funny little guy, claiming information doesn't exist. Ok, then let's do this!

ABDINCOOSPSPDOCSOCONSOCIIEKCMOSONDNSLELSCXST

What information do you get from that?

The dog jumped over the fence

Now what information do you get from this?

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

LOL. you're a funny little guy, claiming information doesn't exist. Ok, then let's do this!

ABDINCOOSPSPDOCSOCONSOCIIEKCMOSONDNSLELSCXST

What information do you get from that?

The dog jumped over the fence

Now what information do you get from this?

1. A string of letters form the english alphabet.

2. Another string of letters from the english alphabet, this time the substrings combined in the particular order gave me the image of a Canine Vaulting a Barrier.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

LOL. you're a funny little guy, claiming information doesn't exist. Ok, then let's do this!

ABDINCOOSPSPDOCSOCONSOCIIEKCMOSONDNSLELSCXST

What information do you get from that?

The dog jumped over the fence

Now what information do you get from this?

1001 1101 1010 0001 0110 1011 0010 1111 0111 1011 1101 1000

What information did you get out of that?

Originally Posted by ShadowNightWing

You're an Ahtheist you've already selected your choice

No, it is not a choice. I challenge you to go to the "2 + 2 = 5" thread in the R/S forum and do an interview. Nobody else has done it yet.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

You still haven't shown how new information can arise naturalistically. God is the creator of information hence, this is where DNA comes from. As far as I have seen, you still have explaining to do. You haven't delievered anything that would hold water in a court system.

Lol in other words God is the creator of information, even though he is information himself, and even if you show me something naturalistic, God still did it anyway. It doesn't happen in nature so if something happens in nature, it isn't really happening in nature.

Originally Posted by Sandform

Lol in other words God is the creator of information, even though he is information himself, and even if you show me something naturalistic, God still did it anyway. It doesn't happen in nature so if something happens in nature, it isn't really happening in nature.

And round and round we go! Just like a merry-go-round!

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

1. A string of letters form the english alphabet.

2. Another string of letters from the english alphabet, this time the substrings combined in the particular order gave me the image of a Canine Vaulting a Barrier.

1. And that's information. Because I asked you "What information do you get from this?" and you gave me the answer. That there my friend is information.

2. Another version of information. You were able to decipher the string letters and understand the information that I gave you. That is information

Originally Posted by bluefinger

1001 1101 1010 0001 0110 1011 0010 1111 0111 1011 1101 1000

What information did you get out of that?

I get one's and zero's that's low context information.

Originally Posted by Sandform

Lol in other words God is the creator of information, even though he is information himself, and even if you show me something naturalistic, God still did it anyway. It doesn't happen in nature so if something happens in nature, it isn't really happening in nature.

And once again I've been asking you guys over and over again to show high content information that happens naturally and you guys keep coming up short.

Originally Posted by bluefinger

And round and round we go! Just like a merry-go-round!

Do you also believe that information doesn't exist?

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

And once again I've been asking you guys over and over again to show high content information that happens naturally and you guys keep coming up short.

Well its just that the answer is DNA...and then you say well God made DNA.

Then we say, but...DNA, and then say...but god.

Originally Posted by Sandform

Well its just that the answer is DNA...and then you say well God made DNA.

Then we say, but...DNA, and then say...but god.

Okay I'll make it easy for you, let's take God out of the equation. So tell me where does DNA come from? and where did all that Good information in DNA come from. Let's just say God didn't design it, fair?

The floor is yours and anyone else who want's a piece.

Where did DNA come from?

Where do clouds come from?

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Where did DNA come from?

Where do clouds come from?

According to Ne-Yo God did it. Meanwhile, his postulation that since I can't tell him how it wasn't God that it must be God is such a common falacy I don't even feel like getting into it.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Where did DNA come from?

Where do clouds come from?

I would expect that from you. Answer my question with a question.

Idiot

Originally Posted by Sandform

According to Ne-Yo God did it. Meanwhile, his postulation that since I can't tell him how it wasn't God that it must be God is such a common falacy I don't even feel like getting into it.

I gave you an out. I said let's take God out of the equation. Give me an hypothesis or anything, any kind of idea, I'm sure you thought about this and came up with something right? An Alien, Meteorite, anything. Right now I'm not even thinking about trying the old prove to me that God doesn't exist method. I'm straight up sincere. What do you have? What idea's I'm just curious, nothing else. I promise I won't bite.

hi

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

I gave you an out. I said let's take God out of the equation. Give me an hypothesis or anything, any kind of idea, I'm sure you thought about this and came up with something right? An Alien, Meteorite, anything. Right now I'm not even thinking about trying the old prove to me that God doesn't exist method. I'm straight up sincere. What do you have? What idea's I'm just curious, nothing else. I promise I won't bite.

Sorry I must have misunderstood what you said, I figured what you meant by saying take god out of the equation that you were saying, "if not God then what?" Which is in essence setting it up to say if you can't tell me what it is other than God, it must be my god.

Anyways, regarding DNA I'm not really sure, there are many theories out there, I don't really hold one to be true, I just don't think God did it...

One theory is that viruses played a part in it. Meanwhile you know there is evidence that under the circumstances that Earth was under many years ago the components necessary for life will form. Though the components "of" life never do.
Though apparently some of the gases used aren't thought to have been as rich at the time life is thought to have existed anymore.

I don't know why you should even ask me though...I'm not a biologist, chemist, or zoologist. I just don't happen to think that consciousness needs another conscious thing to create it.

Originally Posted by Mark75

hi

Bye

Originally Posted by Sandform

Sorry I must have misunderstood what you said, I figured what you meant by saying take god out of the equation that you were saying, "if not God then what?" Which is in essence setting it up to say if you can't tell me what it is other than God, it must be my god.

Anyways, regarding DNA I'm not really sure, there are many theories out there, I don't really hold one to be true, I just don't think God did it...

One theory is that viruses played a part in it. Meanwhile you know there is evidence that under the circumstances that Earth was under many years ago the components necessary for life will form. Though the components "of" life never do.
Though apparently some of the gases used aren't thought to have been as rich at the time life is thought to have existed anymore.

I don't know why you should even ask me though...I'm not a biologist, chemist, or zoologist. I just don't happen to think that consciousness needs another conscious thing to create it.

Thanks Sandform I appreciate that. I just wanted to see your thoughts on the matter. That's actually Good stuff.