Thread: Insight - How can a drug teach?

The phrase "drugs are dangerous" is ridiculously vague and misleading. Everything we are able to experience carries a certain danger, to a certain degree. Food is dangerous.

Originally Posted by nina

You said when people eat mushrooms, there is a sentient being inside you. Please explain that statement. How can fungi be sentient? Just because it contains psilocybin, which gets metabolized to psilocin, which is a neurotransmitter? So you believe any/all neurotransmitters are their own sentient beings? Do you think this of all fungi, or just psilocybin mushrooms? What about the ones that kill people? Or have zero effect on consciousness? Is serotonin a sentient being? I'm truly confused by what you are purporting.

All of the chemicals our body needs for survival, amino acids, fatty acids, protein, carbs, etc. come from things we eat, if not synthesized by the body. Are all these molecules sentient as well?

"You are what you eat." If there's one thing i've learned from mushrooms is that what you eat/drink has a great effect on ur consciousness. I don't think it's the neurotransmitters that are conscious. I think the neurotransmitters are a result of consciousness. Tryptamines being the ones most closely related to ours.

I'm thinking that at quantum levels. There is no distinction between matter and consciousness. And somehow these chemicals can make us introspect and see into that. I think there are deeper and deeper levels. And only god knows what's to find at the deepest level. I don't know how deep the rabbit hole goes. But i insist that the most ancient truth may be the most true thing in the universe. It is not the pinnacle of existence but the beginning of all other things.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

The phrase "drugs are dangerous" is ridiculously vague and misleading. Everything we are able to experience carries a certain danger, to a certain degree. Food is dangerous.

Food is drugs.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

The phrase "drugs are dangerous" is ridiculously vague and misleading. Everything we are able to experience carries a certain danger, to a certain degree. Food is dangerous.

Do I really have to explicate what I meant? Actually Xaq, I'm not sure if that was directed at me or Really.

Ok - psychedelic drugs carry a certain danger beyond eating spaghetti or ice cream. More akin to eating something risky, like blowfish (or is it pufferfish? Or are they the same thing?). I'm certainly not recommending that schoolkids start doing acid or shrooms. If someone has some mental issues that they might not be aware of yet, psychedelics can do great damage. But if someone is an adult they can decide for themselves if the risk is worth it. We do risky things every day, like crossing the street.

Originally Posted by A Roxxor

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Originally Posted by Darkmatters

Do I really have to explicate what I meant? Actually Xaq, I'm not sure if that was directed at me or Really.

Ok - psychedelic drugs carry a certain danger beyond eating spaghetti or ice cream. More akin to eating something risky, like blowfish (or is it pufferfish? Or are they the same thing?). I'm certainly not recommending that schoolkids start doing acid or shrooms. If someone has some mental issues that they might not be aware of yet, psychedelics can do great damage. But if someone is an adult they can decide for themselves if the risk is worth it. We do risky things every day, like crossing the street.

I'm not sure who I was directing it at; you because you made the statement or really because he takes the position?

The point of my statement "food is dangerous" is that not only is the level of danger not stated, but also the meaning of food is not immediately apparent (like the meaning of drug). Poppy seeds are a food, and also a drug. Sugar is a food and also a drug. Apple seeds contain hydrogen cyanide. Drinking too much water will kill you. Saying that children shouldn't have access to lsd and mushrooms is not that much more topical than saying infants shouldn't eat peanut butter. On a scale of the dangers of illegal drugs, I would say lsd or mushrooms are right around the bottom (or most benign) end of it in terms of physical dangers associated with their consumption. It is unknown if it is even possible to over dose on lsd, and there is at least one documented case of someone accidentally taking 50,000+ hits at one time without dying or experiencing any ill physical side effects. Try taking 50,000 'doses' of ice cream and we'll see if you die from insulin shock or the ice cream headache.

Drugs being dangerous is not the fundamental reason behind my former posts.

However I think recreational drugs present more significant psychological danger as well, speaking of the long-term. Dangerous because they can reduce many mental abilities, as well as ways of thinking clearly and living normally without addiction. That includes handling anger and depression as well.

Originally Posted by really

Drugs being dangerous is not the fundamental reason behind my former posts.

However I think recreational drugs present more significant psychological danger as well, speaking of the long-term. Dangerous because they can reduce many mental abilities, as well as ways of thinking clearly and living normally without addiction. That includes handling anger and depression as well.

This is true, with any type of therapy there's a fine line between medicine and dependency