Thread: Ron Paul 2012

Originally Posted by DeeryTheDeer

I thought I heard on the news that they were sending ALL the troops back home.

Unfortunately no. There will be about 15,000 troops left as "embassy guard." Just like every country we've ever been in, we will ALWAYS have troops there. Germany, Korea, Japan, Panama, etc. The entire Middle East has been fucked over by our foreign policy; we just took down two dictators that we propped up... and now what will we do with these new likely dictators that will rise? I really don't know, but we don't have the money to nation-build there.

And on the UN; I agree with Ron Paul. We, the People have established a government, we have the right to act as a sovereign nation. There ARE benefits to an intergovernmental PANEL, which is acceptable, but the UN is just a steppingstone to a World Government, which is a horrible idea (Just look at how it's working in the EU.) What happens if we establish a world government, but it's a failure? It's much better in my opinion to have multiple sovereign nations that can work together without being forced. Governments that fail, fail.

Indeed, international dialogue has its benefits, but any move to world government is doomed to end in disaster. With regards to the EU, it's not only bas on economic, social and soverign levels, it's unaccountable and completely undemocratic.

Originally Posted by ThePreserver

Unfortunately no. There will be about 15,000 troops left as "embassy guard." Just like every country we've ever been in, we will ALWAYS have troops there. Germany, Korea, Japan, Panama, etc. The entire Middle East has been fucked over by our foreign policy; we just took down two dictators that we propped up... and now what will we do with these new likely dictators that will rise? I really don't know, but we don't have the money to nation-build there.

Well, he's certainly doing far more than most of the GOP would do if president.

Originally Posted by DeeryTheDeer

Well, he's certainly doing far more than most of the GOP would do if president.

Which is precisely why I do not vote Republican. Those guys are bat-shit war crazy I vote libertarian, which is what Ron Paul is. Libertarian, classical liberal, fiscal conservative. (And technically, Obama's following up Bush's signed promise to withdraw by the end of 2011. Remember when he got shoes thrown at him? That's when he was announcing our withdrawal from Iraq.) I'm not honestly sure Obama would have withdrawn had Bush not promised it... which is very, very sad.

I'll add, that Rick Perry is the perfect example of what is wrong with the Republican Party and why they will NOT exist for another 25 years in their current state. They need to change their principles from "Preemptive war" and "Gay people sux" back to fiscal conservatism.

And the Democratic party needs to change from SAYING they want no war, legal drugs, etc. To actually DOING it. So we can either have the crazy people who admit they like war and dislike gay people... or the guys who just pretend.