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I agree with Gavin,
Just wrote an extent on a blog of some complete stranger that was debunking a scientist with 100% ad hominem attacks. Seriously, 100%. It didn't even mention the science except in quotes. Ad hominem is just counterproductive and leads to knee-jerk reactions and loads of bickering as this blog suggests. The fact that it has now come to entire arguments based on people's backgrounds is worrisome to me so I think is an important point to get across.
^^ Though I do generally agree with your sentiment, Dthoughts, it must be said here that Mr. DiMeglio might have bought his own ticket.
From his OP and its claims to his odd non-responses to valid follow-up questions, DiMeglio has opened himself to ad homina, I think.
If you look carefully, the bulk of the arguments against OP were about content, and only became a bit more personal after people started noticing that OP's marketing interests clearly eclipsed his scientific od philosophic interests.
I think Mr DiMeglio might have been asking for any abuse cast on him this time... indeed, the ad homina might actually be a logical conclusion to the OP and its subsequent "support." This thread was clearly about DiMeglia, and getting people to buy his book; set that sort of standard and you deserve, without complaint, any abuse you might get.
The IMPORTANT and fundamental relation between dreams, television, and waking experience (while standing)
1) How is television possible, and why does it take the actual/real physical form or manifestation that it does?
Television is a creation of thought, as television is fully similar to (or fully like) thought. Accordingly, television is fully detached from touch; it IS electromagnetism; and the distance in/of space is ELIMINATED/flattened.
2) Dream experience is not a creation of thought. Dreams make thought more like sensory experience in general (including visual, of course), thereby improving upon memory and understanding. Dream experience is that of the middle distance in/of space. Space is semi-detached from touch.
Dream experience involves fundamentally balanced and equivalent inertia, gravity, and electromagnetism. This involves half inertia and half gravity.
Dream experience involves invisible and visible space in fundamental equilibrium and balance. That IS the middle distance in/of space. Think about it.
Most importantly, dream experience is possible/potential AND actual.
3) Full gravity is full distance in/of space as it is seen, felt, AND touched in waking experience (while standing). Space is not detached from touch.
It is a great truth/fact that the ability of thought to describe OR reconfigure sensory experience is ULTIMATELY dependent upon the extent to which thought is similar to sensory experience (including visual, of course). This is true in the case of both dream experience and television. However, there is no outsmarting the genius of dreams.
What we have here is definitive, precise, accurate, ample, and clear proof of what is a vast, super important, and extremely foundational/fundamental unification of physics and physical experience. That is clear.
Now, television is at the possible/potential end of the spectrum of experience that involves (in a balanced fashion) dream experience at the center. Waking experience may be held to be at the actual end of the spectrum.Most importantly, dream experience is possible/potential AND actual. This unification of physics/physical experience is clearly proven.
This sequential and fundamental relationship, as indentified herein, constitutes (in its entirety, that is) what is the greatest, the most important, the most fundamental/foundational, the most tangible/substantial, the deepest, the most extensive, and the most meaningful/significant unification of physics and physical experience that has ever and will ever be achieved.
by Author Frank DiMeglio
Btw if you didn't notice yet, there are no new points in Frank DiMeglio's argument, he is just making some points clearer by bolding some words.
I still have a problem with the equating of television with thought, since you clearly called thought a non visual experience, when television is mostly visual. Also I don't exactly understand what you mean by it flattening space unless you're talking about how it displays images in 2 dimensions instead of 3 dimensions, and while this could have a point, 3D television would kill this statement since you are now able to see television in that third dimension.
Although you still do not have the experience of touch and gravity.
But then touch could really just be an illusion, since you watching things from behind a glass window gives you the same amount of touch factor as a television does, of course you could go on the other side of the window and touch the objects, but what is to say that you don't have that same thought about what is being displayed behind the glass television screen?
I personally have a problem with using television as an example at all, be it literal or metaphoric... seems so 1960's to me.
I'm beginning to get the impression that Mr. DiMeglio is not answering any of our questions at all, but rather just updating the various websites on which he's posted his advertisements. Of course I could be wrong, and would welcome Mr. DiMeglio proving as much by posting a direct ansewer to the many queries presented to him on this thread. What do you say, Frank? How about a couple of straight answers, sans caps, bold, slashes, and robotic syntax?
He sometimes quotes a person and replies to them indirectly, but most of the time it's too hard to understand who exactly is he replying to, or what the reply is exactly.Quote:
I'm beginning to get the impression that Mr. DiMeglio is not answering any of our questions at all, but rather just updating the various websites on which he's posted his advertisements. Of course I could be wrong, and would welcome Mr. DiMeglio proving as much by posting a direct ansewer to the many queries presented to him on this thread. What do you say, Frank? How about a couple of straight answers, sans caps, bold, slashes, and robotic syntax?
Like earlier in the thread he gave a definition of half gravity, but it didn't really help much since everything is quite vague.
I got this impression as well but I can't seem to find proof yet. So far this scribble is really impenetrable though, I don't understand how a potential reader would digest it, so you'd think constructive criticism would be appreciated. Bold, caps and slashes are actually augmenting the obscurity, though I have a feeling Dimeglio thinks the reverse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sageous
Dream experience also proves true/real and ideal quantum gravity theoretically
Thoughtfully/conceptually, seen, felt, AND touched dream experience involves balanced force/energy/feeling/touch in conjunction with what is the experience of the middle distance in/of space. Now, the space is semi-detached from touch/tactile experience. Space may or may not involve touch/tactile experience in dreams. The connection that involves dream experience with both television and waking experience (while standing) is clear.
Carefully consider this when reading my last post.
When I write about the ultimate significance and importance of all that I have written in this thread, do bear in mind that we are talking about fundamental physics here (gravity, inertia, electromagnetism, observer, observed) in addition to the FUNDAMENTAL experience and fundamental understanding of physical reality as it is seen, felt, and touched.
Also, true/real, extensive, and ideal quantum gravity is demonstrated in dreams, as gravity, inertia, and electromagnetism are fundamentally equivalent and balanced. This is in keeping with half inertia and half gravity and with invisible and visible space in fundamental equilibrium and balance. Without a doubt, I have successfully demonstrated quantum gravity in/as dream experience. Dreams combine, balance, and include opposites. There is no outsmarting the genius of dreams. Dreams involve the fundamental experience of our growth and becoming other than we are. I have proven this with extensive, complete, consistent, comprehensive, various, sufficient, and clear proofs, truths, and facts/evidence.
Notice that dream experience may almost instantaneously transition to, or switch over to, waking experience.
Yes, now it seems obvious to me that, with a couple of extremely blurry exceptions, Frank is not actually participating in his own thread. All we seem to get from him is another incomprehensible billboard littered with still more caps, slashes, bold. No answers to direct queries, no explanation for the incessant error-ridden repetition of relatively simple and commonly understood concepts. It all seems very mechanical.
Respectfully: what's the story, Frank?
Thoughts are thoughts. Visual experience is visual experience. Thoughts are invisible. Thoughts are not visual experience. Television is a creation of thought. That is clear. Television has serious and considerable adverse effects. That is clear. The visual experience of television is fully similar to (or fully like) thought. As a creation of thought (sight and sound) that is fully similar to (or fully like) thought, television clearly is a serious problem. I have fundamentally proven this. Think about it.
3d is further proof of the fundamentally linked or related nature of dream experience.
Dream experience is relatively flattened. Dream experience is that of the middle distance in/of space. Distance in/of space is eliminated/flattened in the visual experience that constitutes/comprises television. I have explained why.
You have to very carefully read, consider, and comprehend all that I have written in this thread.
Also, true/real, extensive, and ideal quantum gravity is demonstrated in dreams, as gravity, inertia, and electromagnetism are fundamentally equivalent and balanced. This is in keeping with half inertia and half gravity and with invisible and visible space in fundamental equilibrium and balance. Without a doubt, I have successfully demonstrated quantum gravity in/as dream experience. Dreams combine, balance, and include opposites. There is no outsmarting the genius of dreams. Dreams involve the fundamental experience of our growth and becoming other than we are. I have proven this with extensive, complete, consistent, fundamental, comprehensive, various, sufficient, and clear proofs, truths, and facts/evidence.
Have I not proven quantum gravity, and ultimately so? Yes, I have. It is clear.
Readers, please make your questions and responses as important, carefully and thoroughly considered, fundamental, meaningful, and significant as possible. Thanks.
Here's a thought: We could just let this thread die.
If the similar posts by the same author on various science and autism forums are anything to go by, nothing will come of it. It seems to be a novel mix of advertising and trolling.
I'd like to but there is nothing to think about. Trying to think about this sentence is like trying to understand crop circles.. With more relationships to crop circles since the aliens who made them never physically respond. Maybe OP is an alien because he seems to be out of reach and is only willing to reply to questions by placing similar crop circles. :PQuote:
Dream experience involves fundamentally balanced and equivalent inertia, gravity, and electromagnetism. This involves half inertia and half gravity.
Dream experience involves invisible and visible space in fundamental equilibrium and balance. That IS the middle distance in/of space. Think about it.
OP still didnt give his opinion on shared dreaming so lost interest here.. Sageous' i do agree. OP asked for the Ad hominem in this thread. But it is an exception. I like the fact that you point it that he's trying to sell his book. I hadn't even considered this.. Which does also make me more wary about the intentions of new-agey charlatans. My comment was more or less a responde to the generally agressive attitude displayed here on DV.
He may be an author, but he's an authority on muddled thinking!
I think he might be related to this guy;
Stanley Unwin (comedian) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Except he was funny and actually made more sense!
"3d is further proof of the fundamentally linked or related nature of dream experience."
3d what? television? Imagery? reality?
linked or related to what?
Sorry, but the only proof I see is that you are living in a very weird dream world my friend!
Definitive proof of a double unification of gravity and electromagnetism
Dreams involve the fundamental and ultimate unification and balancing of gravity, inertia, and electromagnetism (including seen, felt, and touched). This involves invisible and visible space in fundamental equilibrium and balance, as this is the middle distance in/of space as it is seen, felt, and touched. Half inertia and half gravity are present. Moreover, I have extended this unification to include [full] gravity (seen, felt, and touched in our waking experience while standing) and [full] electromagnetism (in the experience of television). Dream experience is possible/potential and actual.
I have fundamentally, ultimately, generally, naturally, theoretically, and actually unified physics (gravity, inertia, and electromagnetism) and physical experience (as it is/including seen, felt, and touched).
I have definitively and theoretically proven and demonstrated true/real quantum gravity in/as dream experience.
Science news does not get any bigger than this.
* Sigh *
Robophilosopher is still at it.
Newton believed that inertia must be a property of space itself Frank DiMeglio fundamentally unifies inertia and gravity. Huge news in physics ! !
Vision begins invisibly inside the eye/body. In dreams, the space is visible and invisible in fundamental equilibrium and balance in keeping with what is the middle distance in/of space (consistent with half inertia and half gravity) as it is seen, felt, and touched. It is quite simple and clear now that I have explained it. Comparatively, outer space is full inertia; and the Earth/ground is full gravity (again, in our waking experience while standing). Think ! !
Some of the readers here are trifling with small details that have them derailed from the full, basic, and proper understanding of what is presented here. There are no problems to be found here that will invalidate this unification. I can assure the readers of this.
Position and position relative to distance in/of space are both united here. I have fundamentally and truly unified gravity and inertia.
This is the most important discussion that can be found anywhere when it comes to what is the full and proper understanding of dream experience.
This is the most important and most fundamental discussion that can be found anywhere in physics, as I have truly and fundamentally unified physics/physical experience for all time.
Readers, act intelligently, thoughtfully, and respectfully in a mature and serious/caring fashion. This is a super important discussion.
Oh look, more!
And apparently we readers are triflng by asking questions...
Has anybody gotten curious and tried to figure out who this guy is, or what exactly his spamming program is trying to sell?
Why television (sight and sound) is a type, form, or manifestation of what must be held to constitute a hallucination.
I have fundamentally proven that television is a serious problem. Also, the fundamental link/connection with dream experience is clear.
Importantly, hallucinations are basically unintentional; and they are often terrifying. For the viewer, television is both an unnatural and a basically unintentional experience. Moreover, television is fully detached from touch.
As a creation of thought that is fully similar to (or fully like) thought, television is (on balance) an entirely intentional visual experience/creation. This is in keeping with reducing and controlling experience, of course; as television is known to be addictive. (Addictions narrow and reduce experience.) Importantly, thoughts are (or may be) intentional; and they are shifting and variable as well. Think about it please. This is very important.
Television is already known to involve considerable adverse and interactive/integrated effects. I have fundamentally established why this is so (at a very basic and extensive level).
Readers, please read all that I have written here in my posts. Thanks. Comments and questions are welcome.
After reading/skimming through this page I have found/discovered that Frank can only reply to your comment/post if written in precisely his format. It is fundamental/foundational you do so. You must mention time/distance of/electromagnetic propulsion for your comment to have any validity/merit.
^^ So, Frank is just a program?
Clear and plain proof that any reasonable person can understand that dream experience proves true/real and ideal quantum gravity theoretically and actually.
Thoughtfully/conceptually, seen, felt, AND touched dream experience involves balanced force/energy/feeling/touch in conjunction with what is the experience of the middle distance in/of space. Now, the space is semi-detached from touch/tactile experience. Space may or may not involve touch/tactile experience in dreams. The connection that involves dream experience with both television AND waking experience (while standing) is clear.
Notice the range of feeling/touch that is (comparatively) present in waking experience while standing. Now, we all originate AND grow at/from the center or MIDDLE of the body. Dream experience is that of the middle distance in/of space (seen, felt, AND touched) in keeping with half gravity and half inertia and invisible and visible space in fundamental equilibrium and balance. Notice that VISION begins INVISIBLY inside the eye/body. It all makes perfect and complete sense.
When I write about the ultimate significance and importance of ALL that I have written at this thread, please bear in mind that we are talking about fundamental and theoretically ultimate physics in dreams (half gravity, half inertia, electromagnetism, observer, observed) in addition to the FUNDAMENTAL experience and fundamental understanding of physical reality as it is seen, felt, AND touched. Full gravity is full distance in/of space as it is seen, felt, AND touched. Full inertia is outer space. Full gravity is the VISIBLE Earth/ground. Think about it please. Indeed, notice the maximum of BALANCED MIDDLE or half strength feeling/touch/force/energy in/as dream experience. Moreover, emotion is even in between (in the middle of) thought and feeling. The proof of quantum gravity is clearly presented.
True/real, extensive, and ideal/theoretical quantum gravity is demonstrated in dreams, as gravity, inertia, and electromagnetism are fundamentally equivalent and balanced. This is in keeping with half inertia and half gravity and with invisible and visible space in fundamental equilibrium and balance. Without a doubt, I have successfully demonstrated (theoretically and actually) quantum gravity in/as dream experience. Dreams combine, balance, and include opposites.
There is no outsmarting the genius of dreams. Dreams involve the fundamental experience of our growth and becoming other than we are. I have proven this with extensive, complete, consistent, comprehensive, various, sufficient, and clear proofs, truths, and facts/evidence.
Notice that dream experience may almost instantaneously transition to, or switch over to, waking experience.
by Frank DiMeglio
Yes I actually think he is some rudimentary Artificial intelligence who is building a database of words that are in someway linked. When he doesn't fully comprehend the word, he must provide an alternative synonym that may confirm his sentence.
A clear example of how Frank functions. Statements are formed using words that are commonly used together on internet forums. The flaws in his working are obvious, for instance he has fortified a link between the concept of space and tactile experience without reason, a sign that he acquires his knowledge based on a statistical analysis of what people write, not through a solid foundation of logic. The largest give-away is that F.R.A.N.K has accidentally linked the concepts of television and dreams, which to a program whom purely studies online behavior would be a reasonable assumption considering their similarities.Quote:
Thoughtfully/conceptually, seen, felt, AND touched dream experience involves balanced force/energy/feeling/touch in conjunction with what is the experience of the middle distance in/of space. Now, the space is semi-detached from touch/tactile experience. Space may or may not involve touch/tactile experience in dreams. The connection that involves dream experience with both television and waking experience (while standing) is clear.
We see he is also trying to gain information by frequently using "May or may not", these sentences don't actually form a part of his argument, but serve to educate him further.
This line in particular shows what we are dealing with;
The F.R.A.N.K algorithm has inadvertently studied too much sensationalist articles and now functions on the basis that any statement including a scientific term may be considered huge newsQuote:
Newton believed that inertia must be a property of space itself Frank DiMeglio fundamentally unifies inertia and gravity. Huge news in physics ! !
p.s I'm just messing around, I have no idea what or who frank is. Though I found myself believing my post more and more as I wrote it.
Site administrator and professional dream analysts: This thread merits very serious, competent, significant/meaningful, and considerable treatment, exposure/circulation, discussion, and consideration. That is clear. This thread is foundational/fundamental in physics, philosophy, biology, and science in general.
Incredible and definitive proof of what is a DOUBLE unification of gravity and electromagnetism. Definitive proof of fundamentally unified inertia and gravity.
Dreams involve the fundamental and ultimate unification and balancing of gravity, inertia, and electromagnetism (including seen, felt, AND touched). This involves invisible and visible space in fundamental equilibrium and balance, as this IS the middle distance in/of space as it is seen, felt, AND touched. Half inertia and half gravity are present. Moreover, I have extended this unification to include [full] gravity (seen, felt, AND touched in our waking experience while standing) AND [full] electromagnetism (in the experience of television). Importantly, dream experience is possible/potential AND actual. THINK !!
Dream experience is that of the MIDDLE distance in/of space. Television involves ELIMINATED/flattened distance in/of space.
Full gravity is FULL distance in/of space as it is seen, felt, AND touched. I offer and prove stabilized and fundamental distance in/of space.
I have fundamentally, ultimately, generally, naturally, theoretically, and actually unified physics (i.e., proven quantum gravity, including observer, observed, gravity, inertia, and electromagnetism) AND physical experience (as it is/including seen, felt, AND touched).
Newton believed that inertia must be a property of space itself.
Vision begins invisibly inside the eye/body. In dreams, the space is visible and invisible in fundamental equilibrium and balance in keeping with what is the middle distance in/of space (consistent with half inertia and half gravity) as it is seen, felt, AND touched. It is quite simple and clear that I have FUNDAMENTALLY AND TRULY explained inertial and gravitational equivalency and balancing.
We cannot survive in a visual and auditory world of experience of television. Similarly, we cannot survive in outer space; AS WE EXPERIENCE IT, IT DESTROYS US AND OUR THOUGHT. Outer space is full inertia; television is FULL electromagnetism; and the VISIBLE Earth/ground is FULL gravity (again, in our waking experience while standing). Dream experience is fundamentally and ultimately equivalent and balanced gravity, inertia, and electromagnetism.
There are no problems to be found here that will invalidate this unification. I can assure the readers of this.
Position AND position relative to distance in/of space are BOTH united here, as I have fundamentally and truly unified gravity and inertia.
This is by far the most important discussion that can be found anywhere when it comes to what is the realistic, reasonable, full/extensive, fundamental, correct/proper, sensible, rational, logical, and consistent understanding of dream experience.
The physicists and dream "experts" basically had/have no clue of what dreams really are. They were both unable to even begin to basically and fundamentally describe what dreams are. I have clearly proven this.
This is the most important and most fundamental discussion that can be found anywhere in physics, as I have truly, theoretically, ultimately, and FUNDAMENTALLY unified physics/physical experience for all time.
The clowns and fools who are acting up on this site do not and cannot even begin to fundamentally or significantly undermine or contradict what I have clearly proven here. Is this forum is for personal insults, or is it for important and serious discussions regarding what is clearly super important and fundamentally/foundationally educational? I have already provided a ton of proof regarding what I am claiming here. The evidence is clear, complete, extensive, and consistent.
Please read all of what I have written in this thread. Thanks. Now, let's get some honest, intelligent, helpful/beneficial, important, and truthful participation here.
Insulting posts that are just trash talking idiocy should be deleted. Should they not?
by Frank Martin DiMeglio
Me too!Quote:
Originally Posted by dutchraptor
We may be the last two still subscribed to this thread... I imagine it'll be post after auto-post by F.R.A.N.K. alone shortly; and no one will care.