How to avoid the fear of physical pain ?

[Krrish]

I wonder how the terrorists can do that ! I dont fear death if and only if I dont feel the pain. I hate painful death. I cant imagine someone killing me part by part. But I have no fear to think about sudden death. I have read stories of great people who suffered pain. The freedom that I enjoy today is beacause of their pains. How they suffered the pain while fighting against colonization and other such evils ? Now its the time of Neo-colonization. Poor people are becoming more poor and rich becoming more rich. Coca-cola company is taking billions of litres of underground water and my fellow country men have no drinking water. I surely want to fight against evils like this. Atleast move my tongue against it. But I am feared because of the physical body pain. Also I have read somewhere that enjoying pain is a physical/sexual disorder. So are these terrorists enjoying it ?

[Neruo]

Terrorist knew they will not feel a thing. They might fear pain, but not death. Really, bombs on your tummy = death in 0.001 second. however, some muslim countried beat the crap out of themselves to remember some dude that got beate the crap out of him. So maybe they don't fear pain, becouse they extreme believe in their relgion. And just just want to belong to the group, the big wanking emo's.

[mongreloctopus]

perhaps it is the idea that the more pain you suffer, the more worthwhile your accomplishment is. i don't particularly enjoy pain, but i do know that in terms of tattoos, i really enjoy the pain--the more painful the better. i think that when you look back on it you can truly appreciate the event as being a real triumph of your willpower. the more pain you're willing to endure for a cause, the more important that cause is to you. maybe.

[Patrick]

Originally posted by Neruo Terrorist knew they will not feel a thing. They might fear pain, but not death. Really, bombs on your tummy = death in 0.001 second. Actually, it's debatable whether you feel pain from being blown up, if your brain actually survives the initial explosion. In the times of the guillotine, several scientists did tests on the victims. One french scientist watched a beheading, then when the head fell, he shouted the man's name. The man apparantly opened his eyes. This repeated several times for about 30 seconds, when he did not respond any more. Scientists have since then determined it is possible that the decapitee would remain conscious for a while after the beheading, and indeed feel large amounts of pain. So if someone blows themselves up and their head is intact, they might not get away so easily.

[Neruo]

Originally posted by Pensive Patrick Actually, it's debatable whether you feel pain from being blown up, if your brain actually survives the initial explosion. In the times of the guillotine, several scientists did tests on the victims. One french scientist watched a beheading, then when the head fell, he shouted the man's name. The man apparantly opened his eyes. This repeated several times for about 30 seconds, when he did not respond any more. Scientists have since then determined it is possible that the decapitee would remain conscious for a while after the beheading, and indeed feel large amounts of pain. So if someone blows themselves up and their head is intact, they might not get away so easily. Yes quite true. I read about that aswell. However, 30 seconds... if you don't have enough oxigen in your brain you pass out Really fast. Maybe for 30 seconds 'basic functions' remain intact. However, in the seconds you are still aware, you would feel pain. Only you wouldn't be able to scream. On the other hand, why do the facial muscles not move? Nerves don't go to the spine first, do they? In the seconds after it there would be enough oxigen, right? HMMM.... well I don't mind the idea that suicide bombers feel atleast a bit of the pain they bring.

[wombing]

if one believes they will receive a reward for their pain, it makes it bearable, and even 'enjoyable' in some cases. if one believes they will get many virgins in an eternal paradise, minutes or even days/weeks of pain wouldn't be so bad. or even if they know they are standing up against opressive imperialists it would seem to make the pain more bearable. i find that it is possible to go into a meditative state while experiencing pain, and reduce the amount experienced. when i get a tattoo i can 'go to another place' and not feel it nearly as much. this, combined with the knowledge i will have a lasting reward (the resulting artwork permanently etched in my flesh), is enough to make it almost enjoyable. of course, a tattoo isn't that painful relative to many things... i think those who are tortured, crucified, stoned, or experience slow painful deaths use a combination of the two concepts...they dwell on the fact they are using their life for a certain ideal (religion, freedom, personal divinity), and this makes them believe the pain is worth it, so they are able to transcend it in their mind. ------------- have you ever seen those people that suspend themselves from hooks in their back, or other places on their body? or sufis who pierce themselves with steel rods through their cheeks, lips, and body, without seemingly experiencing pain? they all speak of being able to transcend the physical pain by mental concentration. http://www.bmezine.com/ritual/A60123/high/...bmepb211558.jpg i actually plan on doing a suspension at least once in my life, to prove to myself i am mentally strong enough to step outside the physical pain.

[wombing]

oh, and it angers me to hear about what coca-cola is doing. i am sincerely sorry to hear they are stealing water from those who need it. yet another reason to despise transnational corporations..

[Krrish]

Originally posted by Asher oh, and it angers me to hear about what coca-cola is doing. i am sincerely sorry to hear they are stealing water from those who need it. yet another reason to despise transnational corporations.. [url=http://www.navdanya.org/articles/plachimada-vs-coke.htm]Drink Coke? Drink the Blood of my Village People from many countries came to support the village. And I remained in my house thinking about the plans to lucid dream.

[Gwendolyn]

Fearing physical pain is a natural thing, unless perhaps, you happen to have leperosy. Reward for the pain is something that can supercede our natural response to pain, but I do not think that allieviates nervousness. When people get tattoos, they are thinking, " Damn, I know this will hurt like hell, but I know the design is really cool". Also, I don't think that being a masochist is really a disorder. We're all sort of sadistic and masochistic, in our own ways. Sometimes, there is a thrill in physical pain that doesn't make the pain itself feel good, but gets your adrenelene pumping. We all know pain, and while we don't nessesarily love it, we need it in our lives sometimes. Terrorists are the same way.

[Howie]

I agree with Gwendolyn. I think it is much the case of being young and impressionable. And coupled with that you are brainwashed. Then you add adrenaline, reward, hate and mix it all around, and these people have never thought and pondered pain. They just do. Then if you have ever seen the disturbing people that set them selves aflame. A belief sooo strong they can utterly put themselves in a trance like state. (Or halfway into it they are crying ---SHIT grab the extinguisher. Ahhhhh.Help. Sorry too late ass whole. If I were ever to be that brainwashed, I would maybe not fear for my death. But in precognition of such an event, I would wish for it.

[mongreloctopus]

i think in cases of belief in the afterlife, the more you are willing to sacrifice for whatever divine cause, the more honorable you will be in the afterlife...and generally the most one can sacrifice is one's own life--the more painfully, the better. i have to say that the idea that someone is willing to commit suicide (without harming anyone else) in what must be an incredibly painful fashion (immolation) is awe-inspiring and sends shivers up my back--that's true dedication (although i guess it's somewhat invalidated by the concurrent belief in reincarnation...but still, a life is a very special thing to give away to a person or a cause)

[Howie]

Originally posted by mongreloctopus i think in cases of belief in the afterlife, the more you are willing to sacrifice for whatever divine cause, the more honorable you will be in the afterlife...and generally the most one can sacrifice is one's own life--the more painfully, the better. i have to say that the idea that someone is willing to commit suicide (without harming anyone else) in what must be an incredibly painful fashion (immolation) is awe-inspiring and sends shivers up my back--that's true dedication (although i guess it's somewhat invalidated by the concurrent belief in reincarnation...but still, a life is a very special thing to give away to a person or a cause) Dedicated to the beliefs that you can't think for yourself you wholeheartedly believe in something that was a hand me down belief. It is weak, not commendable IMO.

[mongreloctopus]

protesting the unjust occupation of your homeland by self-immolation is different.

[Howie]

Originally posted by mongreloctopus protesting the unjust occupation of your homeland by self-immolation is different. Why does everyone always attach the invading other countries to every subject? Immolation is regardless brought on by a deep seated belief in something. It can be anything, PETA, NRA, anti abortion advocates, religion. Anything that someone is brought to believe that sacrifice is the only means to communicate.