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      Al-Qaida does not exist

      Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad

      http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2003-05...-25-assad_x.htm
      5/25/2003
      Assad doubts existence of al-Qaeda
      KUWAIT CITY (AP) - Syrian President Bashar Assad said in an interview published Sunday that he doubts the existence of al-Qaeda, the terror group blamed for the Sept. 11 attacks and recent strikes in Saudi Arabia and Morocco.

      "Is there really an entity called al-Qaeda? Was it in Afghanistan? Does it exist now?" Assad asked, according to the Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Anba.


      Such speculation is popular among some in the Arab world who say Washington has manufactured or exaggerated the threat posed by al-Qaeda in order to paint Muslims as dangerous.





      http://www.zaman.com/?bl=national&alt=&trh...050815&hn=22982
      August 14, 2005
      «Countries facing the al-Qaeda threat are awaiting the intelligence Turkish security is to provide. Amid the smoke from the fortuitous fire emerged the possibility that al-Qaeda may not be, strictly speaking, an organization but an element of an intelligence agency operation.

      Turkish intelligence specialists agree that there is no such organization as al-Qaeda.

      Rather, Al-Qaeda is the name of a secret service operation. The concept “fighting terror” is the background of the “low-intensity-warfare” conducted in the mono-polar world order. The subject of this strategy of tension is named as “al-Qaeda.” »
      http://www.turkishweekly.net/comments.php?id=1604
      2005-08-01
      There is no Terrorist Organization Called Al Qaida

      …Nese Düzel from Radikal (a Turkish newspaper) asked this question and more on Al Qaida to Mahir Kaynak, a former academic and a former intelligence officer. He has suggested different and debateful views, which will be summarized in this article.


      Further more he argued that there is no Al Qaida. According to Kaynak, Al Qaida is the name of the operation carried out by an intelligence service, which is CIA…With this operation an anti-Islam front among the peoples of the world is tried to be created.




      http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/...1327904,00.html
      Friday October 15, 2004
      The Power of Nightmares seeks to overturn much of what is widely believed about Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida.

      The latter, it argues, is not an organised international network.

      It does not have members or a leader.
      It does not have "sleeper cells".
      It does not have an overall strategy.
      In fact, it barely exists at all, except as an idea about cleansing a corrupt world through religious violence.


      Talibans

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2897137.stm
      According to Dadullah, al-Qaeda did
      not exist in Afghanistan
      and he said he did not know
      the fate or whereabouts of Osama bin-Laden.




      http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/101/39...21_AlQaeda.html
      08/19/2004
      «Al Qaeda does not exist and never has»

      «The basic truth is that Al Qaeda does not exist and never has. Al Qaeda is a manufactured enemy who was created by the Bush Administration in order to have an excuse to wage a war for the control of the world"s oil resources.»


      Norwegian professor Johan Galtung

      http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/uriks/ar...ticle396241.ece
      - Al-Qaida er en amerikansk fiksjon

      Terrororganisasjonen Al-Qaida er noe USA har
      funnet på, mener den omstridte fredsforskeren
      Johan Galtung.

      - Etter min vurdering er al-Qaida noe Washington
      har funnet på, en typisk Pentagon-projeksjon,
      sier Galtung.

      På spørsmål fra Spiegel Online om han virkelig mener
      at al-Qaida ikke eksisterer, svarer Galtung at Vestens
      forestilling om organisasjonen er gal.

      - Men det finnes en stor kraft, som stort sett er
      organisert i celler, som i Hamburg, og som holdes
      sammen gjennom troen, sier han.

      Indonesian Bashir

      http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=3054299
      Bashir selv skylder på CIA og USA for å
      stå bak angrepet mot Bali.
      Han benekter også at gruppene Jemaah
      Islamiyah og al-Qaida eksisterer.
      http://www.gsmpro.com/article/articledt.as...p?hArticleId=39
      Bashir on Friday accused the United States of inventing both al-Qaida and Jemaah Islamiyah to portray Muslims as terrorists.




      Qazi Hussain, member of Parliament in Pakistan

      http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/po...ticle844875.ece
      «Qazi Hussain har kritisert den pakistanske regjerings samarbeid med USA i kampen mot Taliban-regimet i Afghanistan. Han har snakket pent om Taliban-ledelsen og Osama bin Laden og benektet eksistensen av terrornettverket Al-Qaida.»
      http://www.usefulwork.com/shark/qazi021013.html
      Qazi Hussain Ahmed :
      «I've never been sure whether the so-called Al-Qaeda has ever even existed. »


      Tony Blair

      http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162476,00.html

      July 15, 2005

      Commenting on the possible role of Al Qaeda, Blair said, " Al Qaeda is not an organization . Al Qaeda is a way of working ... but this has the hallmark of that approach."




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      http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/...21030082.shtml
      October 29, 2002
      ''Al-Qaida is not an organization anymore, it is
      a concept,'' said Jordanian political analyst Labib Kamhawi.
      ''There is a lot of appeal for the concept itself.''»

      «''On balance, I would be surprised if there wasn't any
      foreign participation,'' he said. ''Al-Qaida does not have
      membership cards, and as such, linkages can occur
      on many different levels.''

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      Possible. Very possible.

      For sure that america blew it up so they could start a way.
      “What a peculiar privilege has this little agitation of the brain which we call 'thought'” -Hume

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      Please don't lump us all together.

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      - Kurt Cobain (1967 – 1994)

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      Originally posted by A Lost Soul
      Please don't lump us all together.
      With america I ment 'American Government'

      a.k.a. Fags.
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      Originally posted by Neruo


      With america I ment 'American Government'

      a.k.a. Fags.
      ROFL. Ok, that's better then. I didn't mean to be rude... I just hate being associated in any way with that shaved monkey that's running the country.

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      It is true that the guiding principle of a Secret Cell is to preclude all 'Organizational' trappings, where the idea is to maintain as much isolation as possible between the separate branches. Therefore it always surprises me when the USA makes such an issue of capturing the 'Leaders', because, if they had done their jobs correctly, they would indeed know almost absolutely nothing of the Cells and their operation.

      The reason the USA should know this is because Al Quaida was effectively created by the USA, its CIA. Bin Laden was a paid agent of the CIA who was brought in organize a sort of Foreign Legion Resistance to the Soviets in Afganistan. He was given training materials, one particular pamphlet was instructions upon how to establish an Organization, or rather a Non-Organization of Secret Cells -- a force of Insurgent Fighters who would be secure despite the capture and interrogation of any of its members -- only individual Cells would be vulnerable, since no Secret Cell Member should ever know the tactical details involving the operations of any other Cell. I've heard that even today Al Quaida still works with texts of their original CIA documents. Effectively, Al Quaida was and perhaps still is a CIA Operation. As has been pointed out sufficiently, the existence of Al Quaida has only furthered the Agenda of the Powerful Elites in Washington. and it must be remarkable that America's Spy Satellites that can read newspaper headlines on a cloudy day, can't find Osama Bin Ladin -- a six foot three Arab whose face is now as recognizable as any media super star.

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      Originally posted by A Lost Soul

      ROFL. Ok, that's better then. I didn't mean to be rude... I just hate being associated in any way with that shaved monkey that's running the country.
      Yeah no problem, it must be hard to be a sane american in bush-is-awsome-land.

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      Back on topic: Bin laden allso hates Saddam. Bush put it like they were bud-buddies. And allso the 'laden'-family allso have contants with some government-monkey or something.

      Al-Qaida and bin laden are used by america as tools to give terrorism a face. It's hard to put the country behind a war without a clear enemy.

      In reality Osama and Saddam had nothing to do with each other. Yet america just started a war againt iraq after 9-11. This is why 'bush planned 9-11!!11!!!one1!!1!1' doesn't sound like Total bullcrap.
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      If we learned anything from World War 2, it's that people can be quite easily dooped on a massive scale by a skilled manipulator. Hitler exposed the human weakness of gullibility and blew it up to biblical proportions. Therefore, I have no problem believing any of this... it certainly makes sense on a lot of levels. It'll be interesting to see how this war ends, and what will become of its masters. I hope it does end. soon.
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      So, then, the American government was responsible for 9/11? That wouldn't surprise me in the least. They should turn it into a season of '24'.
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      more like a faceless ideal was responsible for 9.11, and the american government tried to point a finger to satisfy the masses, but just ended up going on some stupid crusade that solved little and killed many.
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      hahahaha

      what a bunch of nonsense.... Al Queda was around WELL before the bush administration, both Clinton and Bush Sr. had massive amounts of intelligence on the organization.

      How can the people of Europe sit around and wait for a third world war to start? someone's gotta do something to stop these people
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      third world war? maybe I'm mistaken, but I didn't realize that these people had any real military capability, thus their guerilla tactics...
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      Whether Al-Qaida does not exist or exist. Bin Laden is the hero of my Muslim friends. And during the 9.11 incident there were so many wall posters of Bin Laden all over the place. The Police really worked hard to remove all of them.

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      Originally posted by napoleon_in_rags
      hahahaha

      what a bunch of nonsense.... Al Queda was around WELL before the bush administration, both Clinton and Bush Sr. had massive amounts of intelligence on the organization.

      How can the people of Europe sit around and wait for a third world war to start? someone's gotta do something to stop these people
      OH FUCK THEY KILLED A FEW PEOPLE IN A BUILDING -just to get attention-, SO LETS TOTALLY BOMB THE SHIT OUT OF THEIR COUNTRY TO STOP A WAR!!1!!!1!!!11

      and make them even more angry. lol that really is the dumbest statement I ever heard. America allready was so close to a WW3, and I guess that if one will come in the future America is bound to be involed in the start of it.

      lol caps are fun ^___^

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      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
      umm...alright
      So if you had a family member die in that, you'd be OK with it?

      You are all correct you know, Bush FAKED al qaida, he faked it all, so that we could go there to kill innocent people. I mean the terror network Bin Laden talked about doesn't exist either, hell he's actually Bush's nephew, Jon Bush.

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      Originally posted by mongreloctopus
      third world war? *maybe I'm mistaken, but I didn't realize that these people had any real military capability, thus their guerilla tactics...
      Yeah everyone here is a little touched in the head it seems...

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      I am a little heated about this dicussion. My heart goes out for the victims of 9-11. I will never forget the pool of tears I cryed that day and the years after. However this war is not about 9-11 anymore. I live right next door to our beautiful NSA(sarcasm). Everything I do is seen. Its not me being paranoid it is real. My step mother worked there for years and she till this day will not utter anything anti government. Let allow anti president. The truth comes down to one fact. We were suppose to be at work with war against Al Qaida we have made no progress at all with that. Why? Because the government sees it in there best interest to pursue other matters. I have more to say about this later. I can truthfully say I've said enough bad about the government living near the president and NSA that I almost know there is a tap on my home and cell line. In fact almost 99% sure. I have my reasons. I will say more later about how I feel.

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      The best part is this terrorist plot that was foiled FOUR YEARS AGO, that Bush just told us about now. Whether it actually happened or not, he's using it to help keep support for the Patriot Act. Why didn't he tell us this when it had actually happened? They use these things the way they want to.

      the rabbit hole is pretty deep mang

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