Thread: Should Israel exist

Originally Posted by jah1111

Nah Africa doesn't want them...remember they are the reason most West African nations are poor because of Jews raping the diamond and gold mines for centuries, people know that...then calling themselves Jew-wellers, welding together Africa's stolen riches, it's disgusting how everything is ignored...Like America's pampering of Israel and it's commitment to Israel being untouchable to even criticism(it's anti-semitism they say), so what is generalization on minorities then which is constant and watered down to something less than racism...do people think? If I remember correctly America says we're supposed to feel sorry for the Jews and they claim one of the reasons they give them billions of dollars a year is because of what Hitler did to them, I agree it was sick, but who did it? Hitler...Germany right! One of the richest countries in the world...

Remember what America did? A little thing call slavery?....for 400 years? Remember the native american slaughter? Millions... Where is the sympathy about that? Britain stole and gave the Jews Israel in almost the same fashion in which Liberia was stolen and given to some freed slaves by America...it's also getting raped by Jews for it's riches, and still where is the billions of dollars a year like what Israel recieves to buy weapons and build over 200 nuclear bombs(for what reson in the world I can't imagine, why and how a human could...but they're not nearly alone so much evil surrounds) from America...I guess since the government says it's legal and they're Jews you can sponsor state terrorism, theft and oppression...thats acceptable only to the sheep you created...Maybe America likes cleaning up after the mess of others instead of itself, particularly Hitler, or maybe even the Jews...they're chosen by god I guess

America and god is a touchy subject since the word isn't even allowed in schools or most public places, science is accepted as logic and fact, and even science itselff says life started in Africa in places like the Omo Valley so who would be the chosen people in a logical scientific sense, which America is supposedly based on...but even if they claim this blind loyalty is because of God's will how come they pick and choose the parts of God's will in wich to follow, the END TIMES or completion would seem more logical to follow if your going to since all will be reveiled in the end...Revelation 2:9 "I know your works, oppression, and your poverty (but you are rich), and the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews, and they are not, but are a synagogue of Satan....3:9 is similar...is the masses really that ignorant?

God favoured the Jews because they were slaves, they killed their own saviour according to bible history, and they created more slaves and went the ways of evil and greed up to this day, now his favour is somewhere else with real slaves...

But seriously how can anyone sympathize with the Jews after all they did and continue to do in the name of racism and opression against ALL people not of their own faith, especially muslims and Africans...not me, never, it's just a matter of time before the meaning of Newton's third law is fully realized
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your entire argument just SMELLS of anti-semitism. I've noticed that these Jewish-conspiracy theories occupy you very much.

You see you BLAME ''Us'' Jews for Exploiiting ''You africans'' with the Gold and Daimond-Mining Business: Someting that is actually VERY WELL KNOWN to the world. At least it is here in The Netherlands: Talk about a Country with a SCANDALOUS past...''We The Dutch'' must have been the KINGS of the African Slave trade.



However I find this ''accusing'' of Conspiracies and False Intentions towards complete ethnic groups REDICULOUS:

We're people, and yes I DO gfeel sorry for everyone who died in Qana: I see them as PEOPLE

not as THEM ARABS. Neither as I see africans as africans or Westerlings as Westerlings...SCREW THESE LABELS. It devides people so it makes them easy to rule. Devide and Rule.

My point is that the Israëli Government DOESN'T fight out of emotional intentions and ideologies: It fights because it must. Simply Hit the Targets: Which are not radom people but HIZBOLLAH in this particulair conflict. Hizbollah use smelly Querilla techniques by hiding between their own Civilians. And they don't fight DEFENSIVE. Israël has Fully withdrawn since 2000 and they have actually always CONTINUED their OFFENSIVE actions against JEWS in General: Civilians, people like you and me. Also Victims of the Same conflict, no different from Qana.
People are people and when a family dies in a war there's no Doubt it is a tragedy: Doesn't matter what ethnicity or race they come from.

Don't get me wrong and think that I'm like sooo many people in the world, and here also, to think in Ethnic boundries.

And Leo, you have just proven to be a complete idiot. What is it you think? By calling someone who opposes your weak Opinion, a ''ZIONIST MOTHERFUCKER'' is either gunna contribute to peace in the Region or is any VALUABLE argument at all to back up your Opinion?

No it's just Cussing because when people have nothing INTELLIGENT left to say they'll just continue the ''battle'' with crude means. Cussing and fighting like little Children.


I was taught that when people loose their cool and start cussing around it means they're out of options to rationally win a debate. You have stooped to a very low level. I hope the REST of this Debate can stay INTELLIGENT.

Leo, You should have been born a KIKE. That'd be fun. Wouldn't it? You'd have to hate yourself and your Jewish family. However you seem to have a racist pre-fixed idea of what ''jews'' are.

DUDE I don't Exploit African Children for Daimonds nor do I have any plans on taking over the world by means of Jewish lobbies in the US. I haven't got ANY relatives in working as Jewelers...


ALL SO CLICHÉ. These are stereo-types, it's not how people really are.

Just like the ''Niger'' has been said to have racial Primitive and Criminal Characteristiscs.
Just like in so many American movies the ''ARAB OIL SHEIKH'' is often the Tricky terrorist Bad Guy.
Just like the Black Panthers and such have called the ''White man'' a White Devil and Inferior to the African black Race. And the other way around....

etc. there are too many of these nonsensical racial character profiles.

It's rediculous. It's racism peaking again.

I have to agree with Leo on this:

What is this CONNECTION to Israel but sentimental imagination. Like a Irishman in New York thinking about the silly Blarney Stones.[/b]

The Jews had been in Europe instead of Israel for hundreds of years, so they did not have any connection to the land of Israel, while the Palestinians had their homes there.

Oh, and SKA, perhaps you should examine what you write yourself before you call others "complete idiots" for insulting.
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You know what? I am Jewish and so is my Family. and I'd like to say, to all of you who think we just need to pack our shit and MOVE (again?&#33.... GO FUCK YOURSELVES.[/b]

I voted yes... because those countries against Isreal are the ones that have done big things I dislike.

And I changed my mind reading the thread. I can't find a valid loophole in Leo Volont's arguments. They are beautifully done. Congrats on a new convert.

...the Jews really should have purchased some land in Africa.

Originally Posted by SKA

your entire argument just SMELLS of anti-semitism. I've noticed that these Jewish-conspiracy theories occupy you very much.

You see you BLAME ''Us'' Jews for Exploiiting ''You africans'' with the Gold and Daimond-Mining Business: Someting that is actually VERY WELL KNOWN to the world. At least it is here in The Netherlands: Talk about a Country with a SCANDALOUS past...''We The Dutch'' must have been the KINGS of the African Slave trade.
However I find this ''accusing'' of Conspiracies and False Intentions towards complete ethnic groups REDICULOUS:

We're people, and yes I DO gfeel sorry for everyone who died in Qana: I see them as PEOPLE

not as THEM ARABS. Neither as I see africans as africans or Westerlings as Westerlings...SCREW THESE LABELS. It devides people so it makes them easy to rule. Devide and Rule.

My point is that the Israëli Government DOESN'T fight out of emotional intentions and ideologies: It fights because it must. Simply Hit the Targets: Which are not radom people but HIZBOLLAH in this particulair conflict. Hizbollah use smelly Querilla techniques by hiding between their own Civilians. And they don't fight DEFENSIVE. Israël has Fully withdrawn since 2000 and they have actually always CONTINUED their OFFENSIVE actions against JEWS in General: Civilians, people like you and me. Also Victims of the Same conflict, no different from Qana.
People are people and when a family dies in a war there's no Doubt it is a tragedy: Doesn't matter what ethnicity or race they come from.

Don't get me wrong and think that I'm like sooo many people in the world, and here also, to think in Ethnic boundries.

And Leo, you have just proven to be a complete idiot. What is it you think? By calling someone who opposes your weak Opinion, a ''ZIONIST MOTHERFUCKER'' is either gunna contribute to peace in the Region or is any VALUABLE argument at all to back up your Opinion?

No it's just Cussing because when people have nothing INTELLIGENT left to say they'll just continue the ''battle'' with crude means. Cussing and fighting like little Children.
I was taught that when people loose their cool and start cussing around it means they're out of options to rationally win a debate. You have stooped to a very low level. I hope the REST of this Debate can stay INTELLIGENT.

Leo, You should have been born a KIKE. That'd be fun. Wouldn't it? You'd have to hate yourself and your Jewish family. However you seem to have a racist pre-fixed idea of what ''jews'' are.

DUDE I don't Exploit African Children for Daimonds nor do I have any plans on taking over the world by means of Jewish lobbies in the US. I haven't got ANY relatives in working as Jewelers...
ALL SO CLICHÉ. These are stereo-types, it's not how people really are.

Just like the ''Niger'' has been said to have racial Primitive and Criminal Characteristiscs.
Just like in so many American movies the ''ARAB OIL SHEIKH'' is often the Tricky terrorist Bad Guy.
Just like the Black Panthers and such have called the ''White man'' a White Devil and Inferior to the African black Race. And the other way around....

etc. there are too many of these nonsensical racial character profiles.

It's rediculous. It's racism peaking again.
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u put to much crap in caps lock ska. it just makes u sound angry. its unpleasant. id still get your point if u just use lowercase letters all the time. like me, i dont even use capital letters when im sposed to, cuz im such a mellow person see its not Hello. How are you? its hello. how are you. see im listening to the beach boys now, and im using lowercase letters. ur prolly lisnin to slayer, and thats prompting u to overuse the CAPITAL LETTERS IN A DISTURBING MANNER SUCH AS THIS. see it makes you be like oh! people who use lowercase letters can take a nap after there posts, as opposed to caps lock people who have to get their blood pressure checked. i think seeker should autochange all capital letters to lowercase, to promote beter general forum etiquette.

oh and one more thing;
"Just like the ''Niger'' has been said to have racial Primitive and Criminal Characteristiscs."
haha nigger has two gs. u just said an african country has primitive and criminal characteristic and the funny thing is, niger is a very primative country in political lawless turmoil! so what you said was actually correct... thats a knee slapper.

Originally Posted by SKA

Leo, You should have been born a KIKE. That'd be fun. Wouldn't it? You'd have to hate yourself and your Jewish family. However you seem to have a racist pre-fixed idea of what ''jews'' are.
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and also thats ridiculous. if leo was born jewish, he would just agree wtih u and hate everyone else. its not like he hates the jews for something they did. he, like you, and most other people, is just blind to his own faults. he can see the wrong in others thinking (again much like yourself) but not in his own. a good prescription, or way to counteract this, is to just stop caring. if u dont care, u cant be judegmental.

Yes, because I'm from there. And without me, the world would suck.

And the Palestinians don't want peace btw. They've been offered so much, only to refuse. I say screw them.

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Well Africa ISN't poor and underdeveloped because ''they are primitive idiots''. Africa's got a vivid intricate and wonderfull millenias old culture. So why haven't they flurished to become as wealthy with all their resources?

Well maybe if you'd have read your History Books you'd Know that The Europeans and Arabs have started a great scale RUINING of the entire African Continent: Slave trade was a 100000 dollar business: Europeans and Arabs had Pillaged and Plundered Africa, Enslaving nearly all strong and wise men. Then they Proceeded to Colonise Africa and draw some quick borders with a map and a pencil, putting many different ethnic populations and tribes in 1 country: Voila, the Civil wars that even now rage African Countries were born. (Same for the Middle East BTW) Another European Colonial joke: leaving the Continent Ruined and that explains the state it is currently in.
The Arabs only Partook in it because they could do mayor Slave Business with the Europeans in this foul Colonial time of European world Domination. Still Europeans and Americans exploit these Countries: they steal their resources and keep the money to themselves. It is the REASON why we are rich and why they are poor. My whole point being There ain't no such thing as Racial Characteristics such as Inferiority, Primitivity, Trickyness and Violentness: This Bullshit is meant to devide us. And to my great grief it seems to work pretty good.

Originally Posted by King

Oh, and SKA, perhaps you should examine what you write yourself before you call others "complete idiots" for insulting.
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Well that Go Fuck Yourselves part wasn't directed at anyone here attending this Discussion. I was merely trying to explain the Jewish people's ''Fuck You Additude''.

Originally Posted by King

And the Palestinians don't want peace btw. They've been offered so much, only to refuse. I say screw them.
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Well I would have to agree on the first 2 lines a full 100% They've been offered a hand and sofar have only responded with Bullets and Qassam Missiles. That is no way of contributing to peace.

As for the last part ''Screw them'' I thought it many times when I heard there was another suicide bombing that nearly killed my Aunt, Uncle and 2 Cousins. It was the blown up Pizza Place in the centre of Tel Aviv: They went dining there the day before the bombing.

But to seek a solution is to make a deal from which both sides, Israëli and Palestinian, would benefit in peace: The 2 state solution. However Palestinian Militant Authorities haven't shown any enthusiasm for this great plan and cotinued their unholy war.

I say: Accept the 2 state solution and THEN Israël and Palestine are on Speaking terms.
Otherwise you're just asking for a prolonged violent situation. It's time for Hamas and friends to lay down their weapons and start Negociating: something they have never done. As long as they prefer a bloody conflict over a peacefull 2 state solution there'll be no peace. You don't Talk with a party that is, at the same time, firing mortars bombs and sending suicide bombers to kill your Civillians.

I personally don't think either side wants peace. I think either side could get peave at any time but it would take some sacrifices that really neither of them want to give up.

Right now its all wishy washy stuff, they want peace but not really. They never get down to the core of the issue, and untill they do they won't get real lasting peace.

Originally Posted by Alric

I personally don't think either side wants peace. I think either side could get peave at any time but it would take some sacrifices that really neither of them want to give up.

Right now its all wishy washy stuff, they want peace but not really. They never get down to the core of the issue, and untill they do they won't get real lasting peace.
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Then clearly you haven't been watching the news about Israël BEFORE it became a media hype.

Israël had the most left-winged, peacefull president ever: Yitshak Rabin. Unfortunately he got shot and killed by some Insane Israëli Extremist ( see? we have them too, it's not a racial or cultural trait: it's a bad human trait)

He has negociated peace talks with Yasser Arafat and came as close to peace as no one ever before had in Israël. Yet the Palestinian Militant Organisations Al Fatah, PLO, Hamas, Hizbollah, Al Aqsa and Al Quds simply continued their terror against the Jewish People in Israël.
It got so worse that under his peaceful and Goodwilling Rule Israël had a Suicide bomb attack on their hands nearly EVERY WEEK. People in Israël lived in such intense fear that after he got shot the Israëli Public opinion turned against peacefull negociations with Palestinian Authorities and Militant groups: It has been PROVEN to end up a bloody rage of terrorist bomb attacks. And so, logically, the Israëli public opinion turned more radical and less negociative. And a more right winged, more radical political party took Rabin's place. It's no wonder: No one wants to live in everyday fear of bomb attacks.

Now had these militants been as good willing as Yitshak rabin they would have lived in peace with the Israëlis now. But that wasn't so.

I never said it would be easy.

Originally Posted by Alric

I never said it would be easy.
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No it's Defenitely not going to be easy. But I hope you get my point. Israël has tried, countless times, to make an accord, because it's civilians were constantly slaughtered. I can look up a list of all Israëli Suicide bomb attacks since Israël's foundation if you want. It'll scare the hell out of you.

And until groups such as Hamas, Al Aqsa, Al Fatah and Hizbollah lay down their weapons, discard this Jihadic Insane racist additude and abandon their ever continuing war against Israëli civilians, only Then can Israël have Serious peace talks with them.
But right now they are Terrorist Splinter Cells, Fractions and they've gone wild. They have no one, single authority. They're a sort of Middle eastern large Bandito gangs obeying no authority, making their own laws and forcing it upon the local Palestinian people. Just like Hizbollah: they have Hijacked Society. And they have used it to built a jihad militant army to crush Israël. Such is their intentions: Anti-Jewish hatred being taught to very young children in Extremist-founded and run schools, recruiting suicide bombers, storing weapons brought in via Egypt (Gaza) or iran and Syria (Hizbollah in the North) and using Palestinian and Lebanese Civil areas as platforms from which to launch Misiles and Mortars on Israëli people... These people aree insane, unstopable and they negociate with bombs. You might wanna check out their internet site.

Be scared of the racistic sickness and death-threatening sentiment of their Ideals. But this is the intense murderous hatred the Jewish people are exposed to.

Israël didn't build large costly walls because they ''wanted to dick with the palestinians'' again as everyone seems to think. That's a fable I've heard so many times. If from the Westbank border Terrorists find a route to enter Israël unseen with a bomb belt around their waste there's little you can do to stop them: You can simply not guard every 10 meters of the Border with Soldiers and guardtowers.

The wall is simply put their to keep terrorists from entering Israël unseen via ''wholes'' in the border. And the EU had to criticise Israël because of that wall. The hypocrits. If it wasn't for them, the Jewish people had no reason to completely migrate elsewhere in the first place.

And they're yelling that we should tear down that awefull wall. It's the same as saying: Bring that wall down, Muhammad has got a bus to catch!'' You know what will happen when the wall would be torn down. It's like saying: ''hey let these guys have the oppertunity to crawl in the middle of a large group of your people and blow up themselves and the surrounding 38 people as well, wounding 100s of others!''

No way. very simple.... Seemed a little rude from Israël, but that's because you don't understand why Israël has such a Fuck You additude. Look into the History books about what happened to my people since 5000 B.C. and maybe you'll understand better. It's not a Pretty Story. And thus Israël doesn't really care about what ''everyone sais'' because so many of the Jewish people died because of what ''Everyone'' thought of them. They simply don't really care anymore. They're collectively used to the Idea that another mega Death may just be a few decades away again. So they decide to make a stand. No they won't tare down that wall as it keeps too many Palestinian suicide bombers from reaching their sick goal. I like that wall. I love it. Maybe my family will survive this madness after all.

I hope I gave some of you some insights from my point of view. You see I really don't hate Palestinians, or lebanese. or arabs. I see they suffer from the ongoing Violence as well. I see in their eyes they suffer. They're humans. I can feel their pain. I couldn't bare to think of how terrible I would feel if my mother died in a bombing. It doesn't matter wether you're Arab or jew, Asian or Caucasian. I bet it really really sucks. I would love to see Jewish people and Arab People unite in the Region, but hate spreading factors like Hamas & Hizbollah are doing everything within their power to devide the arab people from the Jewish people with religious and racial hatred and stop that from happening. Every peace negociation was Ruined by another civilian bomb attack of them. Oh yes I Hate Hamas and Hizbollah. But no I don't hate Arabs. It's such a wide term. Too many people too many different Hearts and Minds. Not possibly all people of one Ethnicity can be pure evil or pure good. They are like us, people.

In fact my grandparents, before they moved to Israël were Moroccan jews: arab Sephardic jews. I even have one Indian-Jewish aunt living in Israël. There's so many places Jewish people came back to Israël from. Really no reason to start being Discriminative of race and ethnicity because the Jewish people are a very racially and ethnically mixed people. It's too bad racism is nearly everywhere, also in Israël of course. Stupid people are everywhere. That isn't racially defined.

But In Israël the Government is in Control. Not some Rogue racistic, extremely Religious hate spreading Organisation as is seen in Palestine. The government is chosen democratically and thus a reflection of the people's opinion. The army will take no action untill the government has decided it is legitimate. And the amount of Militairy action taken is Decided by what Political party with what plans the people of Israël Elect. The Israëli opinion has since the reign of Jihadic terror turned against Hamas and Hizbollanh..etc Radically. No wonder when you lost your daughters, sons, moms, dads,, brothers and sisters in those countless Palestinian Bomb attacks.

The Government in Jerusalem is not seated there just to''fuck around with those Palestinians'' or whatever bullshit so many believe. They take action when nececairy in order to protect their civilians. If that means going deep into a Neighboring country and striking the Terrorists who live in urban area's of Lebanon...Then so be it. You can not stand by and watch Hizbollah and other sick minded groups Bombard your towns and cities while Lebanon's (Iran & Syria-puppeted) Government does nothing to Stop them even after having reached a Peace accord with Israël in 2000.

No it's not gonna be easy. I can do nothing but keep hoping for better days.

Neat!

If the Jews think their ancestral land is worth the bomb risk, the historical sentiment must be strong with them indeed. I still hold the opinion they made a mistake in trying to establish their homes in a crowded third-world region.

When people have very little pocessions, you can't expect them to be polite or even reasonable. What little resources courtesy or ration demands may threaten their existence. A little bit of land may not seem a good deal to the affluent Jews or the western majority; it may be all an Arab has. Poor people grow up immersed in global media; they know life can be very different. It is natural to feel robbed somewhat, and such sentiment is common in the third world. Therefore don't be surprised when the Arabs raised fanatics as those you named.

I deeply feel for van Loon's opinion that there are no what-ifs in history. Alas for the individuals caught up in the struggle. They are 'only the scapegoat, it is true darkness which begets decadence.'*

*coined by Grenideer

Maybe they should totally pull out of every where and release all the palestinian prisoners.

Originally Posted by Alric

Maybe they should totally pull out of every where and release all the palestinian prisoners.
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Israël pulled out of lebanon in 2000 completely, making a peace accord with the Lebanese Government. However Hizbollah doesn't give a shit about the Israëli or the Lebanese government. That's why I'm glad that the Unifil-force is finally there to keep both parties from bombarding eachother into oblivion forever.

And about Palestinian prisoners: Those imprisoned are no innocent people. They're a danger to Israëli Society. Just like the 1000s of Militants still attacking Israël. I could understand them better if they would direct their hatred towards Israëli Militairy men instead of what they always did: Directing their violence at Civilians: Non combattants.

Well I sure hope that a Definite accord can be made with the help of Uniful and under the Pressure of the World Community.


And the jewish people had no place to go where they'd be safe anywayz. Israël is the only country that would make any sense for them to return to. It is a simple fact that Jewish people aren't welcome pretty much anywhere in the world. Do you think Jewish people would have Fled from wealthy and modern Europe to build up a Nation in a Third World-Region from SCRATCH unless they had a Good reason for it? In fact Israël was Mostly SWAMPS and Dry Dessert hills before 1948: The Jewish Migrants worked for years and died trying to dry out the Un Inhabitable swamps and making the land suitable for living, agraculture and building again: The land that the Palestinians claim as theirs was for large parts nothing but Swamps where no man could live. They had to irradicate Malaria there first too. So the Jews drain the Swamps, irradicate Massive Malaria, Turn Dry Dessert Hills into land able to LIVE on....and then they have to give it away to the Palestinians? Is that Rightious? haha Rediculous.

Theodor Hertzl, The father of the Zionist Movement, knew that what happened to the Jews in WW2 would happen again in time as the hatred for the Jews ran deep and never disappeared. I have been to his Grave in Jerusalem. I was young at the time, but I hope to Return there some day soon and actually THANK him for my very Existance. Thank him for the light in my eyes.

My hopes are that the Jewish people can live safe from Anti-Semitic Violence and in peace with it's Middle Eastern neighbors one day.

Google Search for ''The Mufti of Jerusalem'' and maybe you'll Understand that the Jewish people were never welcome and embraced as friends by the Arab Population of Israël and that the Anti-jewish hatred was present in the Middle east since the Brittish were there and hardly any Jewish people lived there yet.

Some never left Israël, most (unlucky ones) fled to Europe and other (lucky ones) fled to Arab countries and Spanish/North African Countries, Like my family. Jews and Muslims have always lived in peace untill the Israëli conflict arose. After that not only the European Jews had all reason to feel unsafe, but also the Arab Jews had to fear for their lives. My dad told me how Jewish people and shopkeepers were killed in the Streets: He had seen it happen. Had my Grandparents and their children not fled to Israël they might have been killed in the Anti-Jewish Sentiment that arose in their homeland Morocco too.

My Grandfather had a LiquorStore in CasaBlanca, Morocco. After the French left, Sharia (Islamic Law) was installed there and Alcohol banned. Not only was he and his family in danger of hostile arab sentiment, but also he could kiss his Business goodbye. I don't find it any wonder he and his Family fled to Israël. Wouldn't he have done that, most probably I would not have been sitting here and writting this. Most likely I would not even ever have been born.

The first thing my GrandFather did after he arrived in Israël and walked the land was kneel down and kiss the ground of that land. I suppose you understand why.

If only the Arab population of Israël would have some understanding of the Jewish interrests of why they wanted to live in Israël once again there might have never been a conflict and people could have just blended in there.

Since that is not so I can only hope that one day people will become so sick of the war and hatred that they'll try and understand eachother. And learn to negociate with WORDS. I don't see that happening for a while because Hizbollah and such organisations educate young arabs to hate and kill the jews from the age of 5: Promises plenty of Future Terrorist minded Souls.

I hope it'll all cool down and that the lebanese government will get their shit together and become a SERIOUS and integre peace partner with SERIOUS and lasting peace-agreements can be made. Same for The Palestinian Authorities.

The Militants should be replaced by Politicians.

I wonder what future historians will have to say about this. I voted NO because it is a stupid place for a Jewish state. It was asking for trouble. Now the people both in Israel and out are suffering for it. Historical reasons don't matter. They should've left the Middle East. It's not worth losing lives over.