Thread: Understanding Activist/extremists

unions are a prime example of why american labor is such shit. look at the big dig. look at the price of any american-made product. look at how long an american-made product will actually last. it all reeks of corruption. Unions are notoriously corrupt, and I know a few shop owners who have told me that some of them operate similarly to the mob. Here's my experience: when I got a job at stop & shop, I was automatically entered into the union. I was paid less than the non-union shaws employees right down the street. I also received fewer benefits. I also had to ask for my raises, which I never did because I assumed that the union, (which took $7 out of my paycheck every week) would LOOK OUT FOR ME because that's their fucking job. Because of the stop&shop union I worked in worse conditions than in a non-union shop and received fewer benefits, and I had to shell out money that went to some fat, lazy, sonofabitch teamster rather than me, the honest worker.

Originally Posted by Dangeruss

unions are a prime example of why american labor is such shit. look at the big dig. look at the price of any american-made product. look at how long an american-made product will actually last. it all reeks of corruption. Unions are notoriously corrupt, and I know a few shop owners who have told me that some of them operate similarly to the mob. Here's my experience: when I got a job at stop & shop, I was automatically entered into the union. I was paid less than the non-union shaws employees right down the street. I also received fewer benefits. I also had to ask for my raises, which I never did because I assumed that the union, (which took $7 out of my paycheck every week) would LOOK OUT FOR ME because that's their fucking job. Because of the stop&shop union I worked in worse conditions than in a non-union shop and received fewer benefits, and I had to shell out money that went to some fat, lazy, sonofabitch teamster rather than me, the honest worker.
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You're right. Somehow, somewhere, Unions in America were co-opted by the Fat Cat Establishment in order to obstruct the Workers gravitating to Political Socialism and the Legistlation of Fair Wages and Working Conditions and Benefits.

And regarding prices and competition. Any Economy is free to make any other economy PAY for the privelege of participating in its Trade. Why is it exactly that China can enjoy all of the benefits of the American Market while paying absolutely NO TAXES into the American System. Why shouldn't America protect a high living wage?

Look at the History of Protected Economies. What Modern Advanced Economy did not start out with tariffs and Protections to shield its Economy from predatory underpricing? Indeed, nothing is healthier for an economy then to be isolated. When an Economy must supply all aspects of its own infrastructure, it establishes strength and breadth. Yes, the Capitalist Cartels do everything to strangle Credit and ruin any independent Nation, but these isolated Nations do relatively well when they learn how to develop their own capital and currencies.

Free Trade was a strategy America had for conquering the World, but it was a gamble. America thought it would win the competition. Duh. But the Chinese are willing to work twice as long for half as much. Do Americans want to compete for the honor of being the most miserable slaves on earth, or do they want to say enough is enough, and again assert political and economic policies that would Protect Prosperity.

Originally Posted by Dangeruss

It seems that it all begins with greed.
If employers would treat their employees with dignity, respect and fairness the union would never have been an issue.
So Union are installed and because of greed it is just one step removed from the same issue. just taken in a different route.

As goes for the actual topic. Although I have made an effort in Understanding Activist/extremists, I have begun to realize this too is greed.
Sure, maybe some people are sincere. If these people were to take a deep look at their selves and the root of their goals, you can see that it is oriented around what they want.

Also all too often you see young impressionable youth being grasped by these concepts. The natural longing to belong to something would super seeds their parties agenda. Often leaving the person feeling lost at some point in their lives.

Boring stuff;

Good points about the labor guys!
My father was a manager for the general Electric Co. He had to work with these Unions. Sometimes on a daily basis. No matter what the employer did the union would fight it. (This goes back to one of the earlier points about sticking up for a group no matter what- blind) I.E. Caught stealing things out of peoples back yards - Get this one * sitting IN a bar while on the clock. As the time sheets were fudged. My father before becoming a manager was a tree trimmer. So he new every street they were to trim like the back of his hand. The sheet said they had trimmed 27 trees. my father, knowing there was only seven or so trees to even trim took a witness and busted them. The union fought that. WTF. That is where your $7.00 went Dangeruss.

I could go on about a few of my wife's activists extremest issues but I think the point is made.

**Actually like in all discussions it is nice to here from an apposing view rather than all toot our own horn.
Are there any activist to shed some light on some of these issues?
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Yeah, Howetzer, we got to keep whipping those slaves, don't we?

but do you really think that the inequity in Distribution of Wealth is so very fair. It would not be so bad if some people made 5 times, or even 10 times more than other people. But now the Bosses make 100 or 1000 times more than the Workers underneath them.

And you would flog them for padding hours, or finding some break time, that is the slightest incremental subtraction from what they are being Exploited for.

So screw you and your Capitalist Bullwhips and the bowlegged horses you rode in on...

Originally Posted by Leo

You're right. Somehow, somewhere, Unions in America were co-opted by the Fat Cat Establishment in order to obstruct the Workers gravitating to Political Socialism and the Legistlation of Fair Wages and Working Conditions and Benefits.

And regarding prices and competition. Any Economy is free to make any other economy PAY for the privelege of participating in its Trade. Why is it exactly that China can enjoy all of the benefits of the American Market while paying absolutely NO TAXES into the American System. Why shouldn't America protect a high living wage?

Look at the History of Protected Economies. What Modern Advanced Economy did not start out with tariffs and Protections to shield its Economy from predatory underpricing? Indeed, nothing is healthier for an economy then to be isolated. When an Economy must supply all aspects of its own infrastructure, it establishes strength and breadth. Yes, the Capitalist Cartels do everything to strangle Credit and ruin any independent Nation, but these isolated Nations do relatively well when they learn how to develop their own capital and currencies.

Free Trade was a strategy America had for conquering the World, but it was a gamble. America thought it would win the competition. Duh. But the Chinese are willing to work twice as long for half as much. Do Americans want to compete for the honor of being the most miserable slaves on earth, or do they want to say enough is enough, and again assert political and economic policies that would Protect Prosperity.
Yeah, Howetzer, we got to keep whipping those slaves, don't we?

but do you really think that the inequity in Distribution of Wealth is so very fair. It would not be so bad if some people made 5 times, or even 10 times more than other people. But now the Bosses make 100 or 1000 times more than the Workers underneath them.

And you would flog them for padding hours, or finding some break time, that is the slightest incremental subtraction from what they are being Exploited for.

So screw you and your Capitalist Bullwhips and the bowlegged horses you rode in on...
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You go Leo.
That is the way to solve problems. Do something else wrong too.
Two wrongs don't make a right you single minded fool!
Through all your posts I have began to realize the book smarts of your kind. You can think one way > Your way! The way you teach yourself. Obtuse, linear and quite honestly....sad.
Why don't you just talk to yourself? You are the only one you are hearing. And quite honestly you have ostracized your self in this Forum to the point you are the only one listening to yourself as well.