Okay, here's the first ten from the search as examples:
Oh, so Hezbollah has a history of suicide bombings. Bless their little hearts. Thanks for admitting that. I think I can trust them now. They are a bunch of good old dudes. I can see why you are 100% biased toward them against us. But I should say that although they don't admit to funding any suicide bombings that go on now, their war efforts against Israel are unjustified, making their actions very evil.
[/quote] It's not democracy! A two-party system simply offers a choice between two massively powerful partes that basically serves to discourage any difference of opinion. Somebody is either Red or Blue. It's not democracy at all! Hell, many AMERICANS would agree with me on this issue, even if they were to disagree with all of my other points in this discussion! [/quote]
It is a two party system because there are two parties that are heavily, heavily favored. It exists that way because of what the public wants. It is not like the government forces it on us. There are other political parties, such as mine, the Libertarian Party (who disagrees with me on foreign policy, but nothing else), the Green Party, the Reform Party, the Natural Law Party, and others. There is also the option of running as an Independent. It happens all the time, and sometimes they get elected. The two party system is not forced on us. It is chosen by us. Think about that concept this time. I think you overlooked it last time.
[/quote] I'm certainly biased against the United States. I'd be the first to admit that. But I'm not biased towards Hisbollah, I'm merely trying to teach you more about the organisation about which you've displayed a hugely opinionated viewpoint based on outdated and largely incorrect information. [/quote]
They want to destroy Israel, and they have a very recent history, and very possibly secretive present action, of using terrorist tactics against civilians. The KKK is off the terrorism radar too. Are they a bunch of great guys you want to repeatedly take up for too? Your repeated defense of Hezbollah is indicative of bias.
[/quote] I'm not supporting Hisbollah in this thread. All I am saying, is that out of hisbollah and Israel, I think that Hisbollah is the less unjustified of the two. I am biased against America, and certainly against Israel, but neutral towards Hisbollah. [/quote]
Wrong. You keep taking up for them while you denounce the Hell out of their enemies, which include us. That is bias. Don't forget that our policy is what deters others from invading you. I know you take that for granted. Do you think Hezbollah gives a happy damn about what happens to your country?
[/quote] Firstly, you can't count. "four things"? You only listed three. [/quote]
Wrong. There are four. I just screwed up the numbering. I suggest you now read whichever one you did not read last time.
... then do one of four things: 1. Take up for the United States for once. 2. Stop putting down the United States. 2. Condemn Hezbollah for once. 3. Stop taking up for Hezbollah. As long as you continue to do NONE of that, you will be showing bias, not neutrality.
Do you think you can do one of those?
[/quote] Secondly, why should I be forced to support or refrain from putting down the United States? By asking me to do this to disprove that I support Hisbollah, you're NOT disagreeing with the "Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. " philosophy. You're AGREEING with it! Surely you can see this? [/quote]
Wrong. I am asking you to either stop putting down the United States, stop taking up for Hezbollah, condemn Hezbollah for once, or take up for the United States for once. Refusing all four at the same time is indicative of bias. I know you can comprehend at least that much. The "with us or against us" stuff would only apply to "or take up for the United States for once". Your incorrect philosophy ignores the other things.
[/quote] By asking me to stop supporting Hisbollah, you're assuming that I do support hisbollah. But that's not what I'm doing, I'm trying to INFORM you about hisbollah, a subject which, like I've said, you've got a whole bunch of totally misplaced misconceptions. I don't know where you get these ideas from, whether it's propaganda, or word of mouth, but they're completely wrong! [/quote]
You have made many comments in support of Hezbollah. You keep saying that we should trust that they are not evil any more. You have admitted their at least recent suicide bombing ways, yet you have said nothing whatsoever to condemn them and a great deal to stand in defense of them. That is bias.
[/quote] Most of your officials aren't highly placed enough to be ALLOWED to say such things because they might say them in such a manner that panics the american public! That it's even been VOICED in the public arena is hugely significant! [/quote]
It is not significant. We are in the strongest political climate I have seen in my adulthood. Shit gets said from all sides in such a situation. It is nothing new. By the way, I wish I was as into your country as you are into mine. New Zealand is an island near Australia, right?
[/quote] And about this tired cliche'd "rest of history" phrase you keep chucking around? Like I've said, it's completely irrelevant! The situation in Iraq is rapidly and inevitably deteriorating. Even IF I agreed that america's presence is good in the long term, whcih I do not, it doesn't matter, because withing two years max, they'll likely be gone, and Iraq will slip into anarchy! [/quote]
You admit that if we leave Iraq will turn into anarchy? Woes!!! Did you accidentally let that slip out? Well damn, I guess you understand why we are still there. Good going.
[/quote] I haven't said anything of the sort. At the moment, the LAST thing Iraq needs is American withdraweral. Because of the humoungous fuck-ups america's made, a military presence is NEEDED in the region (TYhough I'd rather a UN presence than an American), or else the region's going to collapse into civil war. [/quote]
Then what the Hell is your disagreement? We agree all the way on that. The war was justified because of WMD intelligence from six governments and the U.N. plus other reasons, and now we can't leave. I think we agree on this issue. Cool beans. Let's go have a beer!
[/quote] What I'm saying, is that America's failure is INEVITABLE at this point in time. [/quote]
Keep your fingers crossed. We aren't giving up, ever, so long as liberal panzie flower cupcakes don't infiltrate the federal government.
[/quote] In any case, I'm not saying I WANT America to fail. I'm saying they already HAVE failed.
Again, you've missed my point. What I consider, or what YOU consider, is acceptable isn't relevant! [/quote]
It is relevant because I keep asking you the question, and you keep dodging it. Remember... You brought up the subject of acceptable government in Iraq.
[/quote] Iraq needs to develop its own civil and political society, and can only do so sufficiently without western countries with people such as you and I, trying to impose our own values on thim. This process will take time, and is about "The Rest Of History"!!!!!. Hope you don't mind me stealing your little motto? [/quote]
Say it all day. You didn't mention your objection to democracy, which you say their culture is not ready for. What are they ready for?
[/quote]Again, my speculation on what political system would work in middle eatern arabic islamic nations such as Iraq is irrelevant an inappropriate. But I'm not saying that democracy WOULDNT work. What I'm saying is that WHATEVER will "work", whether democracy or something completely different, has to be arrived at through a process of IRAQI political, social, and cultural development, rather than just an alien power such as the US imposing a system on the country point-blank. [/quote]
I get that point, and I had it long ago. Now I am asking you what you think would be an acceptable form of government. We are not in court, so quit giving me this "irrelevant" stuff. You are not on a witness stand. We are just two people having a conversation on the internet. What kind of government do you hope they end up with?
[/quote] Thank you. You've CONCEEDED the point I made in response to your question. Finally, some progress! [/quote]
Be more specific. Which point?
[/quote] No, Hisbollah is not and does not. I've repeatedly demonstrated that to you, and rebuffed your non-founded claims to the contrary. Simply persisting to apply an inappropriate label because the label is so CRUCIAL to your reasoning doesn't display any degree of logical integrity. [/quote]
Considering the beyond serious matter we are presently dealing with, why in the Hell do you expect us to suddenly trust Hezbollah? You have taken one mentioning about an organization with a history of terrorism, just like the KKK, and driven it into the ground. You are going nuts with your defense of Hezbollah. They are not our biggest enemy, but they do want to destroy our ally Israel, they hate us with every cell of their bodies, and they have a history of mindless terrorism against masses of innocents. We are not ready to suddenly assume they are not our enemies. Do you really expect us to do that?
[/quote] Your stubborn labelling of Hisbollah is wrong. As such, your entire argument is based on a misunderstanding, lack of knowledge and comprehension, about what you're talking about.
Hisbollah does not fall under this category, as I have repeatedly tried to teach you. [/quote]
You are defending Hezbollah to the point of being a broken record. This is ridiculous. We are not ready to stop considering the evil schmucks, who unjustifiably attack Israel and are therefore evil as shit, our enemies. Apparently that offends the Hell out of you, but we would be idiots if we suddenly considered them good ole folks. Do you think you will ever be able to get over that?
[/quote] I could make the exact same bland,and clichéd propagandised rant in relation to my argument. See, watch:
"I am for the freedom of peoples from foreign occupation, and the freedom to develop their own political culture and society. I am for the freedom of a people from the oppressive occupation by a culturally foreign power, and from the anarchy which results, freedom from the rapes of civilians and torture of prisoners of war by that occupating power. I am for a future of freedom of a people wherever possible. You are for none of those things."
FREEDOM!
[/sardonicism] [/quote]
And you would be way off. The people of Iraq did not have the power to develop their own political culture and society under the Hussein regime. What we are fighting for is their ability to do that now. We are giving the people the power, not a ruthless dictatorship. You are against that. If a few military members raped civilians, they are major exceptions. You are illogically generalizing because you want to hate first and fill in excuses second. Putting underwear on the heads of poor little baby terrorist prisoners, an act committed by just a few who were punished and committed without authorization, is not a logical basis for your hateful, absurd generalization. If you want to go off about injustice against Iraqis, go off about the insurgent terrorists, for once. Or are you too biased there also? Yes, you are.
[/quote] Such propagandised rants add nothing to the strength (or lack thereof) of your argument. Bland, idealistic propaganda such as you've regurgitated can be formulated for any policy, no matter how absurd, and is equally as unconvincing as that you've just given. [/quote]
Your analogy was absurd, as I illustrated.
[/quote] Actually, it may interest you to know that America has cancelled their agreement, ANZUS, with New Zealand to provide military aid in case of an attack on our coutry, because of our "no nukes" political policy. New Zealand is protected by Australia, a considerably powerful military presence in the South Pacific, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Her Majesty the Queen. In any case, unlike America, New Zealand has focussed its foreign policy on fostering friendly and open diplomatic relations with other nations, and support of free trade. [/quote]
We are against free trade? Oh, okay. No matter what has been said in negotiations, if New Zealand ever gets invaded, we are going to see to it that the invaders get the Hell out. I mean, Hezbollah has your back.
[/quote] Unlike America, many of whose troubles with other world powers are heavily influenced by her insular and stand-offish foreign policy, New Zealand's safety is guaranteed by the friendly relationships she has with both her powerful neighbours, and with countries around the world. [/quote]
Well, I'm glad you're good for at least something. We trade too. Have you ever heard of Microsoft, Coca Cola, Playstation, American movies, American music, blah blah blah. This part of the conversation is just silly. (Note: Be sure to read the sentence before that last one. It counts too.)
[/quote] Unlike your own warlike nation, WE foster a culture of peace and good relations with our neighbours. THAT is what protects us.
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Yeah, that's what has always worked in history. It has been a rock solid plan for countries like France and Poland. If you do some reading, you might find a few things about a long history of national take over in the world. I hear that it even happens to countries that don't fight back. But don't worry. We're still around for you. 
UPDATE/EDIT: I pointed out the absurdity of blindly believing that Hezbollah is not involved in terrorism any more. Here is some information that says they in fact have committed terrorism since the 80's. But feel free to continue your obsession with taking up for them.
http://www.cfr.org/publication/9155/
Do you think an embassy and a community center are "military targets" and therefore excuse your folks in Hezbollah from the "terrorism" label? That was the first one in a list of about 2 1/2 million articles from a Google search under "Hezbollah terrorism". You should check it out. Unlike the chocolate nonsense you brought up regarding loose word associations, these articles actually talk about the terrorist ways of Hezbollah. Did you know that they are funded by the warm and cuddly government of Iran? Their attacks on the Israeli military are unjustifiably evil too. Have they decided to knock that off yet? No. Don't you just love that wonderful bunch of allright guys? Show me some more of your Hell bent bias.
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