Blue Meanie, you danced all around my major question, but never quite hit it. I thought my post very clearly indicated what I am trying to understand. I will ask it in one sentence this time instead of several...

How can the people have voices without votes?

I don't see how that is possible, so it seems that any kind of government where people don't would be totalitarianism. If you disagree, please explain how it is possible to have a government that is not completely totalitarian where the people don't vote. Of course there can be votes and totalitarianism, as in the case of the Hussein regime, where Hussein got 100% of the votes (Hmmmmm...), but you can't have an absence of totalitarianism without votes. How can the people have voices without votes?

I know you recanted on your point that you don't believe in voting, so if you do believe in voting in non-demoratic systems, then tell me. My question in the above paragraph is there in case you think it is possible to have non-voting without totalitiarianism. I don't see how it is possible. Do you?

And my subordinate question:

What kind of government(s) do you believe in? If your philosphy on that is too culture specific, then pick an area and answer it in regard to that area, or culture or country or whatever. I am trying to get at least some spec of an incling about what kind of government or governments you think have any kind of legitimacy, but you have dodged the very simple question the past six times I have asked it. Please don't give me this "irrelevant" stuff. I am just asking you for your answer, not cross-examining you in a murder trial or suggesting that your answer has some major significance or that the rest of the world wants to know what you think. You are not on trial or on a witness stand. You are just being asked a question on a discussion board by somebody you have told repeatedly that democracy "doesn't work". What kind of government(s) do you not blanketly say don't work?

While we're at it, what kind of government do you most want Iraq to end up having? I don't care how relevant or irrelevant the question is. I am curious. What kind of government do you most favor for the future of Iraq?