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Imran, I will talk more about the Cold War move of aiding in the removal (by the Shah) of Mossadeq (reported to have communist/Soviet ties that threatened our world... The fight to stop the Soviets from taking over the world was about as serious as the fight to stop the Nazis from taking over the world.), an appointed monarch (by the Shah), after you answer my big 2 questions. You talked around the topics, but you did not give me direct answers. I asked you how much you appreciate the sacrifices Americans have made to save your world. Even if you want to argue that the United States made no difference in World War II and that the Nazis would have for whatever wild reason (There is no "buffer zone" to a military that has taken over, which probably would have happened had we not led the fight in Western Europe, thereby taking away a huge chunk of Hitler's military resources.) not gotten to India and beyond, you cannot deny the fact that 1.1 million Americans were either killed or injured in the fight to stop Hitler from taking over the world and completely wiping out your race and many others. I know we were also fighting the Japanese, but fighting the Japanese had to be done partly because we could not stop Hitler without doing it. No matter what corrupt or selfish motives you assume my government had, I know for a fact what so many American soldiers were thinking about when they were fighting. I know what it meant to them. I have been asking you how much you appreciate their sacrifices. You said about the generalized idea of the U.S. having done "good" (but "bad" too), "I respect that." I am asking how much you appreciate the sacrifices, not if you "respect" them at all. I "respect" Hussein's ability to rule 25 million people with pure fear tactics, but I am worlds from appreciating it. The second question was not about what Hussein did in his own country to look good. I am asking what he did for the world. If you think he was terrible, then I challenge you to go off about that like you have gone off about the United States.
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Ok, Saddam has been condemned, and hung. I argued that George Bush deerved to face trial for war crimes alongside Saddam, much in the same way Benjamin Ferenccz did. I am making this point because he is not being trialed. Saddam is and ash been. I do not need to condemn a hung man. I have alwyas said Saddam represents everything I destest. Facism.
It costs me nothing and it is the truth to say, I appreicate wot the US has done in the past. and that many soldiers ahve acted selflessly. That does not take away from the fact that the current administration should be trialed for war crimes. For there illegal wars.
If the ICC had a mandate to address arguments on the legality of the use of force or the crime of aggression, then it would have shown.

I am shown my apprecation for Americans
And I dont honeslty believe Saddam did much good for the world.
I dont bleieve Bush has done much good either

I beleive I have answered your questions

I will not accept your challenge to "go off on one" about Saddam, purely because of the reasons I stated at first
but I will say, i detest him, his party and his policies.

Imran