George Bush

[tayje005]

I'm from New Zealand, we may be far away but I keep well informed on world happenings. There is one thing that has been bugging me for too long, after Iraq, after Sep 11, after everything, why did you vote George Bush AGAIN? -By you I mean America in general, I realise of course, this does not apply to everyone. Please know that I respect everyone's personal opinion but he has stirred up so much anger in me with his actions and attitude that I find it extremely hard to understand how those that voted for him cannot see him for what he truly is.

[Half/Dreaming]

Do you know who George Bush really is? To me he sounds like a guy who had to balls to remove Saddam from power when the UN wouldn't follow through. I know it hurts some of you inside when I say this, but the invasion of Iraq was perfectly legal. It may not have been necessary, but a bad seed in the Middle East is not good, especially in the days of large terrorist attacks. So what if Saddam didn't have nukes? So what if he didn't have anything to do with 9/11? He still committed war crimes and violated the sanctions placed on him for 12 years. I still say we should have removed Saddam from power back in '91 for invading Kuwait.

[skysaw]

For the record, most Americans are not Bush fans. I know I'm not.

[Neruo]

Do you know who George Bush really is? To me he sounds like a guy who had to balls to remove Saddam from power when the UN wouldn't follow through. I know it hurts some of you inside when I say this, but the invasion of Iraq was perfectly legal. It may not have been necessary, but a bad seed in the Middle East is not good, especially in the days of large terrorist attacks. So what if Saddam didn't have nukes? So what if he didn't have anything to do with 9/11? He still committed war crimes and violated the sanctions placed on him for 12 years. I still say we should have removed Saddam from power back in '91 for invading Kuwait. Lets say we buy into the lies your government used to make people sheepish enough to allow a pointless war, even then, everyone can see Bush is a retarded, undiplomatic, over-spending bad leader.

[Half/Dreaming]

You're right. He is a retarded, undiplomatic, bad spender. It doesn't change the fact that the Iraq invasion was not an unlawful engagement.

[Harrycombs]

You're right. He is a retarded, undiplomatic, bad spender. It doesn't change the fact that the Iraq invasion was not an unlawful engagement. There were no weapons though... He lied (or was just really badly informed, and didn't double check, which is still bad). Also, he spied on Americans. You can NOT do that! That was completely illegal, and who knows what else he is doing?

[Half/Dreaming]

Don't act for a second like George W. was the first president to tap phone calls. Bill Clinton lied under oath, and he still got to keep his powers. He was not "ill informed". Saddam was dodging inspections, and he had a history of using WMD's on his own people. If you smelled like weed and had red eyes, and you refused to empty your pockets to your parents, what would they think? What would they know? That is not bad information.

[Universal Mind]

There were no weapons though... He lied (or was just really badly informed, and didn't double check, which is still bad). Also, he spied on Americans. You can NOT do that! That was completely illegal, and who knows what else he is doing? That intelligence came from five other governments plus our own and the United Nations. Not acting on it would have been irresponsible. The fact that those WMD's have not been found is not proof that they never existed. The Hussein regime did use WMD's in a terrorist attack, they had a history of international terrorism that went way beyond that, they were our bitter enemy, and they had violated our ceasfire for 12 years on several terrorism grounds. They were a big problem, and they had to go. The mess in Iraq right now is a transition phase, and if the countries who are so pissed off about the mess would help us out, it would not be such a mess. The entire world should come together to take on Islamofascist suicide bomber governments and governments engaged in genocide. If the entire world would come together and stamp that stuff out, we could get rid of it very soon and there would never be a need for another war. The spying was on international terrorists, not every day Joe American citizens. This is a war. But yeah, Bush is not a very good speaker.

[Elwood]

Cause John Kerry would have fucked the US even MORE. Yep George is a stupid bastard and might even declare Marshal Law so he'll be pres for even LONGER! GOD HELP US. lol

[Neruo]

You're right. He is a retarded, undiplomatic, bad spender. It doesn't change the fact that the Iraq invasion was not an unlawful engagement. Weather the Iraq-War-Failure was a failure your government had the right to create isn't the topic here. The topic at hand, is the re-election of a mentally degenerated monkey that can't even properly pronounce the words his spindoctors write for him. : )

[Half/Dreaming]

I suppose pronunciation affects the ability of a human to understand right from wrong? Throwing cheap insults at him doesn't change his ability to be an effective president. But, he is a jackass. No Child Left Behind was retarded. And, don't call Iraq a failure. In terms of warfare, it has been the most impressive victory in history, other than Germany taking over your country.

[ThePhobiaViewed]

Bush was the lesser of 2 evils in the last election (cliche I know). I'll say that hes not as bad as the media is making him out to be, because all of the major networks except FOX are too liberal. I would have alot more respect for him if he would protect the borders instead of trying to form a North American Union though. Plus its actually fun to watch his speeches because you know hes gonna mess up and say something funny. There are going to be big changes no matter who is president next (I'm hoping for Ron Paul).

[Elwood]

I totally agree with Phobia

[Universal Mind]

I want Jimmy Carter to run for another term, especially since we are facing war with Iran. Carter really knew how to handle Iran. Get 'em, Jimmy!

[Elwood]

I really hope your being sarcastic Universal. LOL

[Harrycombs]

The spying was on international terrorists, not every day Joe American citizens. This is a war. 10% of ALL internet activity is recorded by the government. There was a bomb scare in Las Vegas, so the FBI took ALL of the files from all of the hotels. So they were looking at a lot of every day Americans. In war, you can't treat your own citizens like they're the enemy.

[Half/Dreaming]

No, but every citizen has to give up a small amount of their freedom to stop more buildings from falling. The government even has the right to send to to that war. I can't believe people are actually whining about this. Honestly, how much has your life changed since the Patriot Act was created?

[Wavefunction]

I can't believe people are whining about this. Honestly, how much has your life changed since the Patriot Act was created? Exactly. If you're not doing anything wrong, then why do you care if some guy in Washington DC sees an email to a friend or a IM conversation with someone? If it prevents someone from dying, some building from being destroyed, or something from being blown up, then the government is welcome to read my email to a friend about my new PC.

[Howie]

All the controversy began AFTER his second term began. So the two examples you gave did not play a role in that election. Did you guys know that being a president has many faucets to it. Believe it or not while running for election things like taxes, health care, social security education to name a few. I am so god damn sick of obtuse people.

[Half/Dreaming]

Exactly. If you're not doing anything wrong, then why do you care if some guy in Washington DC sees an email to a friend or a IM conversation with someone? If it prevents someone from dying, some building from being destroyed, or something from being blown up, then the government is welcome to read my email to a friend about my new PC. Yes. The democrats and liberals are FAMOUS for limiting people's rights to save lives. Absolutey FAMOUS. It is why so many of them want to outlaw ownership of guns. Many of them believe I shouldn't be allowed to smoke cigarettes because they can kill me. The same people whining about government wire-tapping are the same ones who want to limit my rights in so many other ways. Its ridiculus.

[Wavefunction]

Many of them believe I shouldn't be allowed to smoke cigarettes because they can kill me. If people want to risk lung cancer and whatnot, they can... it's their choice.

[Oneironaut Zero]

No, but every citizen has to give up a small amount of their freedom to stop more buildings from falling. The government even has the right to send to to that war. I can't believe people are actually whining about this. Honestly, how much has your life changed since the Patriot Act was created? I believe that it's exactly statements like those (maybe ironically) that shows just how much the terrorists have already won, in the eyes of many Americans.

[Half/Dreaming]

I believe that it's exactly statements like those (maybe ironically) that shows just how much the terrorists have already won, in the eyes of many Americans. They have us scared, not won over. I don't mean that we actually feel fear on a daily basis, but they strongly alerted us to what they can do. In the history of the United States, we have always sacrificed in times of war. The same with every other country. If that means my tax dollars and the NSA listening in on a couple people's phones, then so be it. I don't care either way. Tell the truth. Do you believe George Bush is the first president to order wire taps on citizens? I'm sure every administration has ever since the phone was invented.

[Never]

Presidents are puppets, so I really don't bother about Bush all that much. Even had we managed to get a good president up there, he would buckle or be removed.

[Xei]

Do you know who George Bush really is? To me he sounds like a guy who had to balls to remove Saddam from power when the UN wouldn't follow through. I know it hurts some of you inside when I say this, but the invasion of Iraq was perfectly legal. It may not have been necessary, but a bad seed in the Middle East is not good, especially in the days of large terrorist attacks. I don't know a lot about American politics, nor do I care in particular, but I have to point out that whatever Bush's motivation for a war in Iraq was, it was not 'for the good of the Iraqi people'. Just consider all of the dictators in Africa. What has he done about them..? North Korea is a pathetic country, yet still one which threatens peace. What has he done about that..? Truth is, Iraq's now one hell of a more screwed up than it ever was, thanks to Bush. If there's one thing you can learn from history, it's that people obviously don't learn from history. -_-