They Finally Found Their Excuse To Attack Iran?

[Wolffe]

Well as you might have heard in the news, the coalition have now accused Iran of arming insurgents with armour-peircing weaponry, authorised by the highest-in-command. The first part may be slightly believable, even if completely hypocritical since America armed the insurgents in the first place; but making sweeping statements about the weapons being issued by the top-ranking Iranians when the only proof they have is a few holes in the sides of destroyed armour seems to suggest they're trying to make it a big enough thing to head towards the military action they've been drooling for, for ages. You could see this coming back from so long ago; Korea will inevitably be next :/

[Moonbeam]

What does Korea have that we want?

[Conforming Non-Conformist]

Another country to make economically viable through american consumerism/materialism. Control their minds with TV and american pop culture distraction; jobs with the dollar; and the way of western life compared to that of a Korean dictatorship is welcomed with open arms. :yumdumdoodledum: The dominance of the world will not come from just a iron fist but with the subtle implementation of the one thing that equals true control--- the economy.

[taltho]

The dominance of the world will not come from just a iron fist but with the subtle implementation of the one thing that equals true control--- the economy. [/b] So So true. I'm glad other people understand that.

[Moonbeam]

They're pretty poor. I don't think they can afford much.

[Conforming Non-Conformist]

just give McCapitalists and Wal-Whores time to become benign in their country. jobs usually follow. then the 'standard of living' rises and before ya know it, everyone wants a piece of that preverbial pie that they are promised by an unchecked and out of control system of 'infinate' capital. on another note: there is a minimum wage....why not a maximum?

[Moonbeam]

there is a minimum wage....why not a maximum? [/b] That's been proposed; I think $100,000 was the figure a few years ago when Ralph Nader ran for president.

[King and God]

This sounds interesting. I hope the U.S. will invade Iran sometime soon.

[Conforming Non-Conformist]

Yeah me too! I also want an aneurysm for christmas...its all the rage these days

[King and God]

What's an aneurysm?

[Conforming Non-Conformist]

dictionary.com is a wonderful resource

[taltho]

I hope we don't go to war cause that would cause a draft and we don't need that. I t would take all the men out of our country and get them killed and open us up to invasion. That would be bad.

[King and God]

Not really; the U.S. casualties in Iraq have been minimal - only approx. 3000 deaths. And the U.S. has a huge population base at 256 millions (last time I read, but most likely even more now), of which at least 30-50 millions would be able fighting, if not more. Besides, it would probably just require between 100.000 - 200.000 American soldiers in a campaign in Iran.

[Universal Mind]

The Iranian government does support terrorism, including insurgent terrorism in Iraq. Nobody is making that up. Add on top of that the fact that they are working on nuclear technology, and you can (if you open your mind) see why we see them as such a threat. Our diplomacy is not working. If we have to, we will replace them with a democratic system. As for the wage maximum, we don't have it because it would be robbery and because it would take away the work incentives of the people who make things happen. With a $100 thousand salary cap, the computer you are using would not exist, for example. American success is rooted in the "capitalist pigs" the left hates with such severe passion while reaping the benefits of their obsessive greed. The success of the United States isn't just some bizarre fluke. Our capitalism is what makes it happen, and everybody here is benefitting from it. If it were taken away, it would greatly reduce the quality of your life. As I have said before, you don't have to be one of those greedy money-seeking missiles, but you should appreciate the benefits you get from their existence. I'm not one of them, but I'm glad they are there.

[Wolffe]

The Iranian government does support terrorism, including insurgent terrorism in Iraq. Nobody is making that up. Add on top of that the fact that they are working on nuclear technology, and you can (if you open your mind) see why we see them as such a threat. Our diplomacy is not working. If we have to, we will replace them with a democratic system. As for the wage maximum, we don't have it because it would be robbery and because it would take away the work incentives of the people who make things happen. With a $100 thousand salary cap, the computer you are using would not exist, for example. American success is rooted in the "capitalist pigs" the left hates with such severe passion while reaping the benefits of their obsessive greed. The success of the United States isn't just some bizarre fluke. Our capitalism is what makes it happen, and everybody here is benefitting from it. If it were taken away, it would greatly reduce the quality of your life. As I have said before, you don't have to be one of those greedy money-seeking missiles, but you should appreciate the benefits you get from their existence. I'm not one of them, but I'm glad they are there. [/b] Iran wouldn't stand a chance even if they did develop a decent amount of nuclear weapons, and I believe they know that. I think the only reason they would, if they actually are, would be to try and gain a position where they can atleast bargain without threats of invasion, or of repeats of various false flag operations the US used to bait Iran into war. As for quality of life, if quality of live means driving a giant polluting Ford 4x4 or something, rather than a generic family car, or subscribing to cable TV instead of terrestrial, or whatever, I think America could do without the worst end of its capitalism. Too many monopolies, and if they keep it up, I think eventually they'll come face-to-face with a country that is too big to be pushed around, unlike the current middle-east target ranges. I think its generally all incredibly unfair, without the west trying to start more wars with countries that dont stand a chance

[Universal Mind]

Iran wouldn't stand a chance even if they did develop a decent amount of nuclear weapons, and I believe they know that. I think the only reason they would, if they actually are, would be to try and gain a position where they can atleast bargain without threats of invasion, or of repeats of various false flag operations the US used to bait Iran into war. [/b] The worry is not that Iran would go to war with us. The worry is that they would get nuclear weapons into the hands of Al Qaeda, Hezballah, Islamic Jihad, Hamas, etc. That is something that can never happen. It is the same worry we had with the Hussein regime regarding other WMD's and future nukes, which they had a history of working on.

[Moonbeam]

As for the wage maximum, we don't have it because it would be robbery and because it would take away the work incentives of the people who make things happen. With a $100 thousand salary cap, the computer you are using would not exist, for example. American success is rooted in the "capitalist pigs" the left hates with such severe passion while reaping the benefits of their obsessive greed. . [/b] Nobody said they were for it! Well except Ralph Nader. (Sorry I didn't read all the posts. Never mind.)

[taltho]

Not really; the U.S. casualties in Iraq have been minimal - only approx. 3000 deaths. And the U.S. has a huge population base at 256 millions (last time I read, but most likely even more now), of which at least 30-50 millions would be able fighting, if not more. Besides, it would probably just require between 100.000 - 200.000 American soldiers in a campaign in Iran. [/b] Yea your right for the most part. The potential is still there for the US to lose most it's able bodied men.

[King and God]

I can't imagine the U.S. that has the best military in the World suffering signicifiant casualties against the Iranians who are inferior in both technology and training. There is of course a possibility of it happening, but judging by the strenght of the two nations' militaries, the U.S. would win with few casualties.

[Neruo]

I can't imagine the U.S. that has the best military in the World suffering signicifiant casualties against the Iranians who are inferior in both technology and training. There is of course a possibility of it happening, but judging by the strenght of the two nations' militaries, the U.S. would win with few casualties. [/b] Just like how they 'won' in Iraq? And are continuing to 'win' for like 4 years now. The mission keeps getting more and more accomplished then just plain accomplished!

[Universal Mind]

Just like how they 'won' in Iraq? And are continuing to 'win' for like 4 years now. The mission keeps getting more and more accomplished then just plain accomplished! [/b] A new government is in power. Victory. We accomplished that and have kept it there for years, with only 3 thousand casualties. Eventually, that government will not need us there to keep it in power. Victory.

[Neruo]

A new government is in power. Victory. We accomplished that and have kept it there for years, with only 3 thousand casualties. Eventually, that government will not need us there to keep it in power. Victory. [/b] lol. Good luck trying to leave there without 'losing'. You already lost. Funny that you still think America has/will achieve victory, since even most Americans don't believe that bullshit anymore. And to me, that says A LOT.

[Universal Mind]

lol. Good luck trying to leave there without 'losing'. You already lost. Funny that you still think America has/will achieve victory, since even most Americans don't believe that bullshit anymore. And to me, that says A LOT. [/b] The Hussein regime is still in power? There is no new government in its place? The new government will never be able to survive without us there to protect it? Keep hoping it won't. Maybe you will get lucky.

[King and God]

since even most Americans don't believe that bullshit anymore. And to me, that says A LOT. [/b] That is because they are upset over a tiny number of 3000 American deaths. I can't see how Iraq is not a victory. The U.S. has conquered it, and at a low cost for being a war. When the new government is established they will probably be in control of another badass ally other than Isreal in the Middle East.

[Conforming Non-Conformist]

There is a certain amount of social responsibility to be owned up to when it comes to multi-millionaire's who receive salaries larger than the GDP of some countries and on top of that receive, just as a holiday bonus, tens of million more! Capping the wage to a maximum is about capping production, so of course there would be less of the 'luxuries' that we have come to know. I for one am glad that we have certain things that keep us in a semi-comfortable state (indoor plumbing, heating, etc.). I am proposing that people stop copping out saying that they "deserve" to have it all simply beacuse they can. Capitalism is a pipe-dream of eternal rewards, as if we should be so blind and dumb to not look past our selfish pleasures of comfort and conveince and ask how much longer can this go on for? How much longer until we are in such a state of dis-repair that we have no choice but to reduce our standard of living? "Oh but i'll be dead by then" Of course it won't be the rich who reduce THEIR standard of living, but the middle class and below who will suffer. The greedy in this world need to stop asking can we, and worry about should we. Social responsibility, one of the factors that it takes to have a democracy and also allows for a capitalist society. The seeds of its own destruction come sewn with its birth "There is enough in this world for everyones needs, but not for everyones greed" -Ghandi