Thread: An Inconvenient Truth....for Al Gore

Al Gore has once again become famous. He has openly criticized America (mainly conservative America) for its waste of electrical energy. He almost seems to be passionate about his energy conservation theories.

Yet, like every other politician, he has shown his hipocracy. Of the many mansions he owns, his Tennessee mansion comsumes 30X the national average of energy consumption. Who knows what his other humble dwellings eat up.

Can we really trust what this man says?

Conservative or Liberal, i hate them all. Sneaky weasle SOBs. All of them were raised-by-maids and dont understand what it means to be a moral person. Christianity is their ticket, and they take it to the bank. Their ambition (and inferiority complex for Gore) makes them spin every topic to rally as many citizens as they can.

I urge everybody from every country to stop listening to their rants. We could use a new era of global social behavior. A revolution, if you will. Think for yourselves. The fact that 90% of the world doesnt troubles me more than anything. These \\\"people\\\" need your VOTE in order to begin their reign of selfishness. Dont give them that vote. In America, we vote for \\\"our man\\\", or the one who looks less stupid. Dont give them that vote.

I would vote for a democrat over a conservative if i thought he/she was an honest person. We need a PERSON, not a politician, to lead our countries.

Umph, voting. It used to actually mean something....

An inconvenient truth

It doesn't hurt to raise a few eyebrows.
I think no matter what the source, it is becoming increasingly evident that it will become an issue.

Yes.
At this point, 80% of Americans believe that global warming will have an effect on the environment. Soure: Tha news. lol It was on TV.
But thank god. I say that if there is a SLIGHT possibility that fossil fuels may be destroying this beautiful planet, I don't want to have anything to do with it. Anyone who says that they know the truth behind all this can kiss my ass. I'm sorry. Nobody can know something like that for sure.

Gore may be a hippocrate, but that doesn't mean that saving the planet is a bad idea. :yumdumdoodledum:

Originally Posted by sloth

Yes.
At this point, 80% of Americans believe that global warming will have an effect on the environment. Soure: Tha news. lol It was on TV.
But thank god. I say that if there is a SLIGHT possibility that fossil fuels may be destroying this beautiful planet, I don't want to have anything to do with it. Anyone who says that they know the truth behind all this can kiss my ass. I'm sorry. Nobody can know something like that for sure.

Gore may be a hippocrate, but that doesn't mean that saving the planet is a bad idea. :yumdumdoodledum:
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I agree with this. Though the thought came to mind immediately of how his houses probably use tons of energy, or drives with his escort or security behind and in front, and how everytime he flies his private plane he pollutes like crazy (I read somewhere it's as much as a month or year's pollution for the average person or something), I still think that he is trying to do good, and though politicians are all hypocritical bullshitters in my eyes, that doesn't mean one can't have good points and ideas that are worth achieving. Though Al Gore probably pollutes like 150 americans, if 150 million (or about half of) americans cut their pollution hard because they don't want to be part of global warming, and he has a part in it, then it is worth it, even if he's a hyppocrite.

Good point, even if it is terribly unfair.
To this day, I still don't own a car. I won't do it. I'm thinking about getting one of those natural gas burning Hondas. Not the hybrids. The nothing-but-natural-gas powered ones. It runs on corn.

Originally Posted by sloth

It runs on corn.
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Before you do that sloth, you should learn about the evils of corn, which is produced as a monoculture crop with heavy use of petrochemicals for fertilization, production, and distribution. Buy corn and you buy oil, with loss of calories due to entropy.

Recommended reading: "The Omnivore's Dilemma" by Michael Pollan.

P.S. Al Gore's family's fortune originally came from oil. Just as an interesting (ironic?) fact.

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

Before you do that sloth, you should learn about the evils of corn, which is produced as a monoculture crop with heavy use of petrochemicals for fertilization, production, and distribution. Buy corn and you buy oil, with loss of calories due to entropy.

Recommended reading: "The Omnivore's Dilemma" by Michael Pollan.

P.S. Al Gore's family's fortune originally came from oil. Just as an interesting (ironic?) fact.
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Wait.. But I still wouldn't be burning oil..
I'm confused.

Originally Posted by sloth

Wait.. But I still wouldn't be burning oil..
I'm confused.
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Well if you buy corn that was produced and distributed with a lot of oil-burning in the process, you are causing oil to be used. So if your goal was not to use oil, then using corn defeats the purpose. Biodiesel, on the other hand, would be good if it was oil that was just going to be thrown away. But that is not convenient for most people and by the time it is there won't be enuf waste oil to go around.

Firstly, your logic is flawed. Just because he is hypocritical doesn't make anything he says less true. Why shoudl we listen to him less just because he doesn't practice very safe environmental habits. That doesn't make his scientific data any less true.

Secondly, about "think for yourself." Well, I'd say that the majority of people here don't have acess to materials or the time or means by which they can research the topic of global warming and the historical aspects of climate change. You cannot think for yourself at such a deep level. Sure, you can interpret the data and solution for yourself. However, Al Gore provided proven statistics and graphs to demonstrate the problem. In fact, he didn't even say a lot of "solutions." He simply showed that there is a problem. This is different than opinions.

Lastly, presidents couldn't make such extensive claims and then completely ignore them later. If he did that a lot, he would most likely get impeached. By the way, politicans are "people," despite what you might claim.

Hilarious that you hate people that criticize America So much that you turn a blind eye to anything they say.

So what if Gore is a hypocrite? If it is true, or only partially true, it is a great fucking thing people are listening. Global warming by human influence is a fact.

This topic is not about proving/disproving global warming. And yes, i \\\"hate\\\" many who criticize America because their views are TOO polar. You yourself have said that Capitalism is evil. If America wasnt such a fuc*ing phenomenon you would have never said that. But hey, atleast the worlds opinion keeps America in-line (..somewhat)

This is about sneaky assholes. Al Gore simply took previously recorded data and a theory, then slapped his name on it like he discovered. He also tried to take credit for the Internet several years ago!!! Its almost a compulsion for him, really. The truth is that Al Gore is a just a baby-blue-boy who misses the spot-lite of the oval office, even if he was riding bitch (Clinton was into the rough stuff)

Its great that people are listening? True, but listening is all they do. That, and a WHOLE lot of talking. Many people claim to care about the environment, but what steps have they taken to save it? I am sure many people here are guilty of this. I do not fake caring about global warming because i have not seen enough proof that would make me alter my life.

I have learned that moderate views are the key to all problems in life (this topic was origionally supposed to be about political moderation). Just because i am not afraid of the earth dying in 200 years doesnt mean it will never happen. I cant see into the future. If we can all help by making small sacrifices here and there, then everyone should. I have NEVER said that we should not take steps to clean our air. I live in Atlanta, Georgia. I can TASTE that sh*t in the air. But 200 years left for humanity? I wasnt aware Al Gore was an oracle.

The glass is neither half empty nor half full. Its almost always in the middle....

Seriously Hard-As-Nails, if a republican pro-war patriot went around stealing theories and slamming their name on it, you wouldn't be making any fuss at all.

What IS your problem with Al Gore? Is what he is doing wrong? Maybe his motives are slightly wrong, but that doesn't matter to me, as long as it has the right effect on the world.

But the problem is that it has NOT helped the world. It has been turned into more of a political-polar debate with no solutions yet. Just like the Evolution debate has still not been resolved.

You know me all of a sudden? To say that i would never have an argument contrary to the blind, KKK hillbillies is some pretty severe ignorance on your part. The vast majority of posts i answer are anti-American-affairs. The vast majority of my responses argue with the polarity of the topic at hand. You have not been able to \"know\" me becuase most of what we say to eachother is contrary. Fighting the norm is what i do. The norms here are gernerally pro-religion and anti-what-ever-the-f*ck-America-does. Its only normal that i will be outnumbered. Many times that causes me to over-react. Sucks when you tell people what makes sense and then just ignore it, right?

I apologize that i have come out looking like another rude American pig. We are known for holding extreme beliefs here, and i have ended up looking like just another victim of the stereotype. But i have brought this upon myself. Dont think for a second, however, that Dreamviews\' opinion on me would make me loose sleep. I apologize because i think my public image is closing peoples minds to what i say. Universal and I have seen that when we make a perfectly good argument that never gets answered. Really, how many times has Universal said \"I predict that nobody will answer this question\". He was right every time.

Becuase i believe the Iraq war was justified doesnt mean it is the humane thing to do. It is the most awful time of our generation. Well, suck it up and deal with it. Sooner or later it will just be a page in a history book that shows how misguided we are. But unless you want to go to the mid-east and reform the extremists, America is going to just slowly kill them off. And i dont feel an ounce of sadness for them.

Yeah, I wonder why you are seen a a stereotypical, silly American...

hmm.... Maybe it is the fact that you don't seem to feel bad for the people that die in iraq. Even if some-one is indoctrinated, one doesn't deserve to die. And then I didn't even mention the civilian casualties. The fact that you feel no pity at all for them clearly shows you are an indoctrinated pig indeed. Normally only brainwashing nonsense like Fascism and Religion produce people that can honestly say : 'I am fine with killing people, it is just what we should do'.

You make me sick.

Also. Post your great argument you and universal had. I havn't seen anything but "If we don't do something, we let terrorist boss us around" with the notice that Europe isn't doing anything. That idea has been rammed, by your dearest government, into your head by years and years of terrorism, mental terrorist: Using fear to get people to think a certain way.

OH MY GOD SADDAM HAS WMD's. Lets kill all the Iraqis , who have nothing to do with it actually. The Iraqis that aren't mostly religious nuts, they just want their piece of land back and wouldn't go to America to bomb you , they just bomb you if you occupy their land.

Who cares why Al Gore made the documentary? I thought it was informative, and it really brought to light an actual problem.

Originally Posted by Gwendolyn

Who cares why Al Gore made the documentary? I thought it was informative, and it really brought to light an actual problem.[/b]

I agree. I do not like Al Gore. I don't trust any source to a tee. But with the significant evidence that science, meteorologist and computer simulation it is an obvious threat. Even if Al gore may have blurred some of those lines.
Even if Rosy Odonnel made this documentary, I would have to take head of this warning.

The US is the largest trade organization in the world , no. This consumes resources. As A result many people point the finger at the US because we have the most carbon emissions. Yes we could be better.
But we have at least strived to some degree to improve.
I don't see China or India making those same sacrifices any time soon.

Go on. Continue your whirlpool of inaction.

Once again, you know me better than myself. How many times have i said that ANYBODY dying is a bad thing, even when it is Islamofacists. I would rather reform their thoughts, but that will never happen. They have already proved they would rather die, and maybe take a few infidels with him.

You need to stop your rampage about civilian deaths. Yes, it happens every single day, but you are overexaggerating it. They way you portray it, its like we go out of our way to put the wrong coordinates on the guided bombs. I have talked to a couple soldiers who finished their tour of duty. If civilans die it is generally because of something stupid they did (out of fear of US troops) or car bombs.

You automatically assume that all the civilian deaths were caused by Americans. Indirectly, yes, but how can you blame deaths on us that we didnt cause?

Your ignorance is just as bad as mine. The fact that you think you have some immunity to brainwashing proves it. Dont think you are anything special.

I apologize, Gwendyln. This topic was origionally supposed to be about political hipocracy. I was hoping people could bring up some more examples.

Originally Posted by Hard

Go on. Continue your whirlpool of inaction.

Once again, you know me better than myself. How many times have i said that ANYBODY dying is a bad thing, even when it is Islamofacists. I would rather reform their thoughts, but that will never happen. They have already proved they would rather die, and maybe take a few infidels with him. [/b]

Well:


"But unless you want to go to the mid-east and reform the extremists, America is going to just slowly kill them off. And i dont feel an ounce of sadness for them."

That sounds Nazi right there, HAS.

You need to stop your rampage about civilian deaths. Yes, it happens every single day, but you are overexaggerating it. They way you portray it, its like we go out of our way to put the wrong coordinates on the guided bombs. I have talked to a couple soldiers who finished their tour of duty. If civilans die it is generally because of something stupid they did (out of fear of US troops) or car bombs.
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Oh yes, just a few car bombs, who cares. Your great, great army, having no strategy, turned the country into chaos, anarchy, as some called it 'Hell'. Of course you aren't to blame, of course not. It also it the civilians fault that they fear you. I mean, hey, a few of their children disappeared and hung themselves in Guantanamo bay after being tortured, and all of a sudden they try to drive past one of your many road blockades? Ah yeah, they deserve to be shot.

If I was an Iraq civilian, I would be scared shitless from some un-intelligent, hate-filled, xenophobic, no-knowledge-of-my-culture, totally uncommunicable with (you have like 20 told in the whole of iraq, lol), pissed off, trigger happy bad-asses.

You automatically assume that all the civilian deaths were caused by Americans. Indirectly, yes, but how can you blame deaths on us that we didnt cause?
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You didn't? Who's fault is it? The iraqis? Don't they just hate each other, or people that invaded their country? Saddam's? Since he is dead, I don't really think it is his fault. Religious fundamentalist? Like the entire 1% of the population?

Your ignorance is just as bad as mine. Dont think you are anything special.
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My ignorance might be the same, but At least I am not part of the country that is in the war for obvious vengeful reasons. I am extremely certain that America wouldn't have invaded Iraq if 9/11 didn't happen. You are extremely biased, HAS. The only side I am choosing is the side against war, since your beloved war has caused more death, horror and destruction then terrorist could dream of achieving in a decade.

You know, its indirectly your fault. If you hadnt gotten taken over in WW2, America would have never gotten out of the great American depression. We would probably still be poor, without superpower status.

I know what i just wrote is retarded. I am just trying to convey the point that the seeds for death are planeted far in history. The only way you can place blame is by DIRECT involvement (meaning, an American bullet killing an Iraqi civilian). If you dont place direct blame, then you can go all the way back through history?

I dont WANT anybody to die. If they want to blow themselves up in a car bomb, I WILL NOT FEEL AN OUNCE OF SADNESS FOR THEM. I will save my sorrow for the 22 year old American soldier who\'s reamins are spread over the desert. I will save my sorrow for the Iraqi boy who just happened to be riding his bike in the wrong place.

You see, i am not bias. I am right in the middle, leaning toward to pro war side. I know family members who are SHOCKED when i tell them Iraq has been handled wrong. You are only looking at my opinion as a comparison to your opinion. Of course it will seem bias to you.

And as i said before, you are just as inflamatory, ignorant, and brainwashed as i am. In fact, you are more. I hold not half of the stereotypes you hold. I restrain from generalizing your people with certain traits, except for your policy of inaction. Your last few posts have been full of BLATENTLY incorrect opinions that every American soldier is a blood-thirsty, ignorant, trigger happy, ima-kill-dem-dang-towelheads, redneck. You preach kindness toward all of humanity in the same paragraph you stereotype me. Get over yourself, dude. You are not as big of a humanitarian as you like to claim.

Originally Posted by Hard

You know, its indirectly your fault. If you hadnt gotten taken over in WW2, America would have never gotten out of the great American depression. We would probably still be poor, without superpower status.[/b]

If America managed to stay poor with that much land and natural resources, I would send them a dozen of roses. Come on, even Hitler had to fake the economy-numbers to seem his weapon productions was super-great for the economy.

I know what i just wrote is retarded. I am just trying to convey the point that the seeds for death are planeted far in history. The only way you can place blame is by DIRECT involvement (meaning, an American bullet killing an Iraqi civilian). If you dont place direct blame, then you can go all the way back through history?[/b]

Ah so you know? But not like you were lying when you were attacking Europe I kind of like it. Europe can be extremely lame. Not as lame as America, but you just gotta hate the Portuguese every now and then.

Lets state an example:

I barge into a country, kill the leader, shoot all the religious extremist, arrest some innocent people. Then, out of the blue, the country starts to get a little civil-wary. Not my fault? If I shoot the (bitch-)teacher of a class of problem-children, and I go stand in front of class with no learning plan what so ever, using words they don't understand, appointing the slightly-less-retard child as guardian of half the class. Lets say that causes the class to TOTALLY FUCKING DERAIL. It isn't my fault. It is the children's fault. It is the fault of their parents (religious indoctrination), it is the fault of the teacher (that I shot), Who's fault is it when you get yourself into a situation you can't handle?

I dont WANT anybody to die. If they want to blow themselves up in a car bomb, I WILL NOT FEEL AN OUNCE OF SADNESS FOR THEM. I will save my sorrow for the 22 year old American soldier who\'s reamins are spread over the desert. I will save my sorrow for the Iraqi boy who just happened to be riding his bike in the wrong place. [/b]

Ah, so there are children in Iraq, not just bearded evil men

How do you feel for people fighting for their country, to live by their own ways and not be told how to live? Aren't some people in Iraq fighting for freedom? I am not saying I agree with them, But I would feel bad about killing someone that just believes he his fighting for his freedom.

You see, i am not bias. I am right in the middle, leaning toward to pro war side. I know family members who are SHOCKED when i tell them Iraq has been handled wrong. You are only looking at my opinion as a comparison to your opinion. Of course it will seem bias to you. [/b]

LOLOLOLOL.

Right in the middle Right in the middle of the pro-war/republicans perhaps Actually I just read past the first sentence to find out I am not joking. You are in the middle by the standards of your surroundings, you arn't in the middle by the standards of the rest of the world. You probably are even more war-sides then the rest of America.

Does the fact that your mom/dad/friends are shocked by anything pessimistic (you have the fullest right) about the war mean that you are 'in the middle' of things? I think that is a pretty quickly drawn conclusion.

However: Damn, you live with people I would find even worse then you and universal, that would drive me Completely crazy

And as i said before, you are just as inflamatory, ignorant, and brainwashed as i am. In fact, you are more. I hold not half of the stereotypes you hold. I restrain from generalizing your people with certain traits, except for your policy of inaction. Your last few posts have been full of BLATENTLY incorrect opinions that every American soldier is a blood-thirsty, ignorant, trigger happy, ima-kill-dem-dang-towelheads, redneck. You preach kindness toward all of humanity in the same paragraph you stereotype me. Get over yourself, dude. You are not as big of a humanitarian as you like to claim.
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Did I claim I was humanitarian?

I do admit I exaggerated my views of American soldiers and such somewhat. But I do know there are such soldiers. And I think that a lot of Iraqis see the American soldiers like that. Sure, a few might really get along well with the guys, I am sure some are great guys. But is is hard to stay nice in, talking of indoctrination, a sickly one-sided army side. I do understand that unconditioned discipline is good for a fighting force, but that also is the down-side. The army isn't about respect and loving others, it is about shooting, killing, ect. That is just the way it is.

I also don't see what indoctrinated me. The cowardly European culture? If anything, I was indoctrinated by people that explained violence is bad, war is hell.

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Edit: I do have to say that I totally understand how you and universal think, and I might be agreeing with you if I was born in the U.S. Especially if my dad was in the army There. Dutch army are a bit more pussy I believe. : )

Dude, im done with you. You hear what you want, and you read what you want to read. I cant believe you just compared disrupting a classroom to the invasion of a country.

Im dissapointed. How can I argue with someone who sees only 1 layer of a debate at a time?

I just saw your edit. I would never call you a pussy because you care alot about human life. On the other hand, people will always die. US intervention or not, more people are murdered in Africa every day than a year in Iraq. Do you feel the same about them, or is it more about disrespecting America than the people?

You have to spend money to make money, and it is the same with people. I hate to put it so bluntly

I think you havent accepted the fact that the world will always be violent. You still have hope....i envy that. Violence causes violence, but it also resolves itself, just to come back again in 15 years. I hurts me to say that your goal will never be acheived. We should just try to cut our losses.

Originally Posted by Hard

Dude, im done with you. You hear what you want, and you read what you want to read. I cant believe you just compared disrupting a classroom to the invasion of a country. [/b]

That is kind of what comparisons do. However I am aware of the fact that no classroom will ever get SO fucked up as Iraq is, thanks to you.

Im dissapointed. How can I argue with someone who sees only 1 layer of a debate at a time?[/b]

I am glad you see everything. Actually, I do understand why you think like you think, I just think you are indoctrinated by an extremely xenophobic and violence/revenge-thirsty environment, especially after 9/11.

I just saw your edit. I would never call you a pussy because you care alot about human life. On the other hand, people will always die. US intervention or not, more people are murdered in Africa every day than a year in Iraq. Do you feel the same about them, or is it more about disrespecting America than the people?[/b]

Haha, I wouldn't know how you could 'diss' Europe any more. After all, Europe, including me, are 'easy targets'. Also, the fact that more people die in Africa then in Iraq, ESPECIALLY Iraq before you invaded, really makes your little war against Iraq silly. No-one in iraq even gave a shit about attacking you. Maybe the taliban in Afghanistan, but there was no taliban in Afghanistan, and no Al-quida too.

Why didn't you get rid of a African dictator?

You have to spend money to make money, and it is the same with people. I hate to put it so bluntly[/b]

You have to spend people to make people? I really don't think there would be less people around if you didn't bomb all those people in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq. There also would be more Americans.

I think you havent accepted the fact that the world will always be violent. You still have hope....i envy that. Violence causes violence, but it also resolves itself, just to come back again in 15 years. I hurts me to say that your goal will never be acheived. We should just try to cut our losses.
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I somewhat agree. Like it is now, there will always be violence. I however believe that is everyone was like Europe and America, rich and healthy and somewhat democratic, but even better then in America and Europe, that then there will be no to little violence, at least no war. That might take a 1000 years, but some day it will. (of course religion will also be as good as extinct then, especially fundamentalism).

Meanwhile, how did you cut your losses by invading Iraq? Post a scenario what would happen in you didn't invade Iraq, and compare the body count to the American deaths, the American-caused deaths and the indirectly caused death (like the civil war).

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Originally Posted by sloth

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I know, it sucks.

Well, one thing is, he did not "slap his name on it and act like he discovered it." That is your assumption. A silly one at that.

Also, you say "all people do is think and talk, not take action." Are you seriously that dense? You don't realize the pro-environment technology that is being revealed? The constant effort to make efficient and environmentally safe cars? One person cannot actually make a difference, but people can. And people cannot change until technology allows them to change. If Bush went for more environmentally safe energy sources, isntead of trying to find more oil, we would be changing more rapidly. But it is not really possible for anyone to just go and completely stop environmentally dangerous things. Their lives are too centered around it, and alternatives (environmentally safe alternatives) are either too expensive, or they just can't afford it at all because they are already using the environmentally-dangerous version. But on a smaller scale, it's happening. Environmentally safe light-bulbs (the tubey looking ones) are being used on a larger base now. My school and town recently tried to get something like a million of those sold. I don't know the actual number that was sold, but it was a lot. However, with each generation comes a new standard. Most people cannot trade in their cars for environmentally safe cars, but when people buy new cars, they buy more efficient and environmentally safe ones. As they get more electric power cars out that are good, people will start buying those. But yes, people are doing things about it. To completely deny this and pretend they aren't is just dense.