Thread: Are Films Getting Too Sick?

dont get me wrong i think a well made horror film is a good social thing, it reminds us of the boundaries of what is acceptable behaviour, but coupled with social ills and obsessive personalities the consequences can be horrific, and marylin manson appeals to the darker side of human nature and glorifies an obsession with fear, its all about tipping points and going a little too far, id stab manson up soon as look at him cos hes not selling his shit to stable people, hes just playing a market and the majority of his market are impressionable disillusioned teenagers and he plays on the adolescent feeling of being an outsider, hes no worse than ronald mcdonald - in fact very similar- marketing a very adult product to an impressionable audience who do not have solid moral grounding, and whos to say those columbine kids would have done what they did or to such an extent that they did had they not been listening to his hateful tirades
free speech is an absolute right but a grown man should know better than to play with chidren geddit?
like michael jackson only saner, slyer and more power hungry, you dont see many other death metal bands waxing lyrical about how theyre the antichrist and in the same breath claiming that its just music. theyre deadly serious (NIN cradle etc)and have healthy respect for the horrors they purvey.
there is something particularily nasty and sexual about mansons desire to be the worst of the worst.he should have some respect and top himself, i would if i thought id played even the tiniest part in such an horrific event- i hope he reads this.

evil begets evil- fact.

Originally Posted by eightyape

dont get me wrong i think a well made horror film is a good social thing, it reminds us of the boundaries of what is acceptable behaviour, but coupled with social ills and obsessive personalities the consequences can be horrific, and marylin manson appeals to the darker side of human nature and glorifies an obsession with fear, its all about tipping points and going a little too far, id stab manson up soon as look at him cos hes not selling his shit to stable people, hes just playing a market and the majority of his market are impressionable disillusioned teenagers and he plays on the adolescent feeling of being an outsider, hes no worse than ronald mcdonald - in fact very similar- marketing a very adult product to an impressionable audience who do not have solid moral grounding, and whos to say those columbine kids would have done what they did or to such an extent that they did had they not been listening to his hateful tirades
free speech is an absolute right but a grown man should know better than to play with chidren geddit?
like michael jackson only saner, slyer and more power hungry, you dont see many other death metal bands waxing lyrical about how theyre the antichrist and in the same breath claiming that its just music. theyre deadly serious (NIN cradle etc)and have healthy respect for the horrors they purvey.
there is something particularily nasty and sexual about mansons desire to be the worst of the worst.he should have some respect and top himself, i would if i thought id played even the tiniest part in such an horrific event- i hope he reads this.

evil begets evil- fact.[/b]

Marilyn Manson knows how to market, yes, but its his music and if he wants to sing about dark stuff, let him do so. I listen to Strapping Young Lad, and its a hell of a lot worse in terms of dark lyrics and music. If anything, Manson's music is fairly tame compared to Strapping Young Lad.

I think you've got the wrong end of the stick. You're not blaming movies for violence but music. Same thing (the blame game) but in just another context. People must accept responsibility for their actions, not the people/artists who the criminal took an interest in. People will listen to Manson's music because they like it, not just for the message. And it's not only children who listen to Manson. In fact...

id stab manson up soon as look at him cos hes not selling his shit to stable people[/b]

That can be construed as a motive for murder to an innocent person (Yes... Manson is innocent, just like the rest of his listeners, regardless of what you may think ), so if anything, you are no better than all the killers and murders in the world. By saying that, you have defeated the point of your argument ("He preaches violence and hate! KILL HIM!!"... oh the irony). Yes, children are impressionable, very impressionable, but from my experience, I think the trauma of being bullied, being made an outcast by all of one's peers, etc, can leave much worse impressions on a child's mind than music can ever do. It wasn't music/movies/games/etc that drove the school shooters of the world into doing their desperate and horrible acts, it was the kids in the school who drove them into despair, the neglect of parents, and the effect of our harsh society. I'm sure if you met with Marilyn Manson (And didn't try to murder him...), you'd find he is a very normal, but interesting person... who has found that being wierd sells...