I'm quite relieved that there's so many people who've questioned global warming, actually...

By the way, can those in the pro-GW lobby please stop chanting mindless mantras such as 'open your eyes' and the like, we're trying to have a serious discussion here.

As far as I can tell, warming precedes major CO2 increase. Well yes, I think virtually all statistics show that in fact. Therefore, it is temperature which is the causal factor, and solar output in turn determines temperature.

You know the guy who realised the incredibly strong correlation between solar output and climate behaviour? I believe he repeatedly out predicted the MET office, and made some nice wagers, too.

It's pretty obvious that there's a huge economic drive for the warming theory. The press make a fortune from each new fear story, there's hundreds of people employed for the panel on Climate Change etcetera (who, take note, would all be redundant if they were to say that there is in fact no evidence for us causing the warming, so it's pretty stupid to use them as an unbiased source of information), and I think also the fact that our governments can tell us that we're cutting our oil use to help save the planet instead of telling us that we have 25 years of life with oil left, which would cause mass panic, also plays a significant part.

On a similar note, I think all of these 50 years reduction plans are ridiculous. Of course we'll have lowered our CO2 output by 2060; there'll be nothing left to burn.