Thread: 9/11 Conspiracy

They are! But we don't! How can you not see that? They fund Hamas! WHAT DON'T YOU SEE?! If we took down saddam simply for funding and harboring terrorists then the Saudi's are just as guilty! Hamas are the ones that train their children to become suicide bombers with Mickey Mouse! Didn't you ever watch that on the news?

The scene isn't as simple as you think that is what I am trying to show you.

Originally Posted by jaasum

They are! But we don't! How can you not see that? They fund Hamas! WHAT DON'T YOU SEE?! If we took down saddam simply for funding and harboring terrorists then the Saudi's are just as guilty! Hamas are the ones that train their children to become suicide bombers with Mickey Mouse! Didn't you ever watch that on the news?

The scene isn't as simple as you think that is what I am trying to show you.

We took down the Hussein regime for MANY reasons, not just the funding of terrorist organizations. I have listed some of them for you. But I personally think that should be enough reason to take down any government. I think we should have blown Yassir Arafat and his thugs to the next galaxy. My government might possibly be keeping quiet about Saudi Arabia because they don't want to make them an enemy and wreck our economy. I will look more into it. If you are right, then we need to blow them off the face of the map too.

By the way, IF (I'm not sure you do.) you happen to think the war in Iraq is about oil, why would we not use the funding of Hamas as an excuse to overthrow the Saudi government and take their oil? Saudi Arabia has the biggest oil supply of any country in the world.

Also in this mix is the citzens, millions of them. How would you like it if some other country, oh lets say Venezuela, someone the polar opposite of our current leaders decided that because our CIA has committed acts of terrorism in the middle east and in south america to overthrow democratic leaders (they have) That it is part of his war on secret government institutions that fund and cary out terror to overthrow any government that supports them. Then he decides that the US is guilty of this (we would be) and that he will bring his military in and destroy the CIA and all supporters of the CIA. He will then tell us that they old ways are obsolete and that is not what we really want and that Socialism is a much better form of government. Does that begin to paint the picture?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

We took down the Hussein regime for MANY reasons, not just the funding of terrorist organizations. I have listed some of them for you. But I personally think that should be enough reason to take down any government. I think we should have blown Yassir Arafat and his thugs to the next galaxy. My government might possibly be keeping quiet about Saudi Arabia because they don't want to make them an enemy and wreck our economy. I will look more into it. If you are right, then we need to blow them off the face of the map too.

By the way, IF (I'm not sure you do.) you happen to think the war in Iraq is about oil, why would we not use the funding of Hamas as an excuse to overthrow the Saudi government and take their oil? Saudi Arabia has the biggest oil supply of any country in the world.

I think other factors may be involved but our involvement in the middle east has largely been about oil (historically) making osama bin laden what he is had to do with communism so no, it isn't as simple as oil.

The reason we aren't interested in Saudi is because they already give us oil. The reason we overthrew the democratic government in Iran with our CIA was about oil. We don't dare mess with Saudi Arabia because it's already going our way. The Iraqi oil has already been used and abused. We are not paying for the war with their oil and American companies are benefiting from it. Here is an interesting diagram concerning the oil aspect of it.

So why don't we just take over Saudi Arabia and own the oil ourselves? We could stop being the middle men and become the owners.

Maybe they are too strong because of us. We just have them I think 20 billion dollars worth of weapons. Not to mention there is no direct reason to go in there. Remember we can't look like the bad guys. We mad saddam hussien look like the bad guy that is why people are staying out of it. We are trying to make Iran look like the bad guy now.

Originally Posted by jaasum

Maybe they are too strong because of us. We just have them I think 20 billion dollars worth of weapons. Not to mention there is no direct reason to go in there. Remember we can't look like the bad guys. We mad saddam hussien look like the bad guy that is why people are staying out of it. We are trying to make Iran look like the bad guy now.

I don't think we have to use smoke and mirrors to make the Iranian government look like bad guys. If the oil conspiracy stuff were true, we would not be giving Saudi Arabia weapons. We would be taking them away and beating them in the head with them. If they fund terrorism and we can easily prove it, we could just say, "Uh, they fund terrorism," and walk in and own the country. The fact that we are not doing that makes me even more skeptical than I already was.

I just gave you a fact that they fund terror "islamofacists" as you call them. The same people who told you we need to take down any government that does this is the same government that is NOT doing that to Saudi Arabia. The neo-cons used this terrorist attack to fuel their foreign interests in the middle east. This has nothing to do with defending our country and I don't want to spread democracy to the fucking world I want to make sure it is good and strong here. We should be the most wealthy prosperous, highest quality of life nation on the planet because of our form of government, but in this last century we have made it our goal to spread it to the rest of the world, that is why we get in these fucked up situations like Vietnam and now this bullshit. If you think it is so fucking important to spread democracy then enlist, I am sure they would take you.

Also, well nevermind, I am done in this thread just like that last you are impossible to talk to. And yes I know that is probably my fault and I am probably wrong but don't bother, people can just continue posting in this thread about the 9/11 "conspiracy".

Originally Posted by jaasum

I just gave you a fact that they fund terror "islamofacists" as you call them. The same people who told you we need to take down any government that does this is the same government that is NOT doing that to Saudi Arabia. The neo-cons used this terrorist attack to fuel their foreign interests in the middle east. This has nothing to do with defending our country and

I am going to look more into Saudi Arabia's government and terrorism. I told you how I feel about them if it is all true. I have come across the completely opposite report from that from several sources, but I am not sure how much I trust the claim. Some of this stuff gets really iffy and fuzzy. However, the war in Iraq was about tons of things, while such a war with Saudi Arabia would be about just one thing. I am totally disgusted with Bush for talking so much trash and not delivering. He is obviously not going after all terrorist governments. Iran and Syria's governments should not even be there any more. Iran is sending fighters into Iraq against us this very moment, and what does Bush do about it? He has Ahmadenijad come to New York. Bush is being way too diplomatic about this stuff. But I do see some room for the possibility that he is making good strategic decisions that have imortant details beneath the surface. Saudi Arabia's government has in fact helped us a great deal, even if they are definitely funding Hamas. I still want them gone if it is true.

Originally Posted by jaasum

I don't want to spread democracy to the fucking world I want to make sure it is good and strong here. We should be the most wealthy prosperous, highest quality of life nation on the planet because of our form of government, but in this last century we have made it our goal to spread it to the rest of the world, that is why we get in these fucked up situations like Vietnam and now this bullshit. If you think it is so fucking important to spread democracy then enlist, I am sure they would take you.

That is a big difference between me and you. You see yourself as an American first. I see myself as a human long before I see myself as an American. I see the whole human world as my people, and I think everybody deserves democracy. Vietnam was part of the Cold War, a successful effort to protect democracy worldwide. We democratized Japan, and now they are an awesome country, like South Korea. You will eventually see the big improvements in Iraq, Afghanistan, Eastern Europe, and hopefully other places. I think the entire world should come together and stamp out dictatorships.

saudi arabia owns 7% of our government. Its more complicated than you think, it's not just as simple as stealing oil, its about securing oil, and not for our country, but for a handful of rich people. It's not just oil, either, there are a lot of political ties and negotiations. We go in Afghanistan and put up a pipeline, then we go into Iraq and keep our country in a state of perpetual war with almost no real repercussions since their so weak, meaning us, as tax payers end up owing billions of dollars to international bankers, but we also secure oil fields so that we can raise the value of our dollar.

That oil chart is out of date.

Canada has alot more oil now because we found a shitload in the Alberta oil sands. Thats why the Canadian dollar is par with the american dollar. Just thought I'd add that.

Originally Posted by Soul_Sleeper

That oil chart is out of date.

Canada has alot more oil now because we found a shitload in the Alberta oil sands. Thats why the Canadian dollar is par with the american dollar. Just thought I'd add that.

It looks like we are about to take over Canada.

“I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil"

-Alan Greenspan // London Times Sept 16th


no one's fucking opinion here comes close to alan greenspan's.

Originally Posted by shark!

“I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil"

-Alan Greenspan // London Times Sept 16th


no one's fucking opinion here comes close to alan greenspan's.

So Canada is next, right?

possibly, but we'll start an insurgency, you can't beat those. if Ho Chi Minh can beat america so can we. IED4Life. We have Airports and airplanes too!

actually just take the oil

Originally Posted by shark!

possibly, but we'll start an insurgency, you can't beat those. if Ho Chi Minh can beat america so can we. IED4Life. We have Airports and airplanes too!

Ho Chi Minh lost a few million to our 56 thousand. He did not beat us. He just did not surrender, and we got screwed up by internal political pressure and left too early. Don't forget that we could have nuked Vietnam out of existence in a matter of minutes. Be careful.

Originally Posted by shark!

actually just take the oil

Like you would have a choice. But somehow I don't think you really believe we are going to invade Canada. That is where oil conspiracy people fail the intellectual honesty test.

was vietnam communist after the war? yes or no?

if there is a takeover, it won't be conventional warfare, I think america can see how well that works...

it would be a slower economic/politcal war...like "vote to join america, year 2050" even thats a stretch though. but if it happened it would be more like that. or you'll just 'buy' it all, no taxes, nafta type stuff

<real life picture of what the war would be like if it happened

Originally Posted by shark!

was vietnam communist after the war? yes or no?

Yes, for the reasons I stated. Did you read my post? Your reply was very nonresponsive.

Originally Posted by shark!

if there is a takeover, it won't be conventional warfare, I think america can see how well that works...

it would be a slower economic/politcal war...like "vote to join america, year 2050" even thats a stretch though. but if it happened it would be more like that. or you'll just 'buy' it all, no taxes, nafta type stuff

Why might that be? We could take you over before sundown. Why would we wait 43 years and have just a ballot initiative? You don't think we really are evil enough to invade you and take you over for your oil, do you?

Oh my God, I just saw your cartoon. You think it would be giant against giant? Son, you need to spend some time doing some research on the military powers of North American nations.

ho chi minh? lost? since when? by not losing he won, by you not winning or losing he won. i dont really care why or how, you could have nuked them or even not listened to internal politics, you could have not pulled out too fast...etc etcbut no..

Originally Posted by shark!

ho chi minh? lost? since when? by not losing he won, by you not winning or losing he won. i dont really care why or how

Uh, you are answering a different question for me. Review the conversation, or else read it for the first time.

Originally Posted by shark!

you could have nuked them or even not listened to internal politics, you could have not pulled out too fast...etc etcbut no..

That's correct. Our leaders made the wrong decision.

This is how the United States would handle Canada if we ever decided to invade and take over...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=d8FPji_xEKo

so ho chi minh won. btw you want me to answer some question, what was it? you care what I think? I don't

like a bug? very classy.

Oh my God, I just saw your cartoon. You think it would be giant against giant? Son, you need to spend some time doing some research on the military powers of North American nations.

wtfuck? I never forget to stay prejudiced




btw did the south win too?

I side with the North when it comes to the Civil War, and I think the 1800's are almost over. As for your Ho Chi Minh stuff, do you have a calculator? Please divide 3,000,000 by 56,000 and tell me what you get. I think you come out with unfortuante politicians pressured by personality disordered hippies. But I don't think you come out with more than a few hours necessary to take over Canada.

Canada is America's fat little sister. We are proud to scare potential invaders away from you, sis.

Originally Posted by Mystic7

Neither of these two 9/11 researchers has been refuted. If UM anyone else could find a flaw in either of these two thinkers' argument we can drop the issue of 9/11 being an inside job, (and by finding a flaw i mean show the argument in the author's own words, and then proceed to offer a valid critique. (No straw men)

All the other stuff about fascist military, weapons manufacturing, and oil industries taking over U.S. politics gains credibility from the fact that 9/11 was a converging point for all of them and was in fact carried out thanks to help from within the U.S. government (see testimony by Sibel Edmonds, FBI)

Originally Posted by memeticverb

Neither of these two 9/11 researchers has been refuted. If UM anyone else could find a flaw in either of these two thinkers' argument we can drop the issue of 9/11 being an inside job, (and by finding a flaw i mean show the argument in the author's own words, and then proceed to offer a valid critique. (No straw men)

All the other stuff about fascist military, weapons manufacturing, and oil industries taking over U.S. politics gains credibility from the fact that 9/11 was a converging point for all of them and was in fact carried out thanks to help from within the U.S. government (see testimony by Sibel Edmonds, FBI)

I know you're not challenging me to another demolition specifics debate. You know what I have said about that. Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall. Read my satire and tell me where it is incorrect. Then tell me how demolition disagreements from a handful of experts in a sea of silence from the masses of experts is a basis for jumping to the land of Oz. Are you even reading my posts? Counter something for once.