Thread: 9/11 Conspiracy

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Well, we set those Japs straight for you a few decades ago, little girl. They won't be screwing with you any more. Okay, you started being sort of nice, so I'll quit talking trash to play games with your buttons. I'll just say that what Bush is doing right now with the Patriot Act and in the Middle East looks bad on the surface to a lot of the world, but I really believe that eventually the world is going to see what it was all about and that it will work out for the much better in the long run. The current transition phases in Iraq and Afghanistan are not the measure of that. The rest of the unfolding of history is. I think the Patriot Act went a bit too far, but I think it's fairly understandable. It is also temporary. Our citizenry will guarantee that because we have the power to vote everybody out of office.

I dont really care about what they are doing now. for me,...Bush,saddam,osama and all the gangs are just a bunch of asshole!

I read an interesting article few month back. It said, that America's economy are being challenge aggressively by the other rising nation such china, so they need to react and they need to do it quick! So by sacrificing a couple of towers and a few thousand of peoples..to get more that what they bargain for! America's done this shit since the old days, they have always keep on looking for something to exploit! By invading Iraq and Afghan, they'll be able to stop other country from rising up and suck up the entire countries sources and recharge the economy thus securing thier throne as the world leader.

2 Tower for 2 Country!...What more can you ask for?

I have blind faith in no outside source, but I do trust my own two eyes and ears to provide me with the facts.

I have come to this conclusion based off what my friends and I saw happen having been only five minutes away from one of the supposed 'attacks', seeing the news footage later of other people initially claiming they didn't see or hear or see a large commerical jet, reporters also having said that it didn't look like a plane had actually hit, and seeing how secretive the authorities were with not allowing news cameras coverage at the initial pentagon crash scene clean up. Major stations at the scene did also mention how small the hole had looked.

9/11 Pentagon Strike, Flight 77 did NOT hit the Pentagon
PENTAGON - 9/11 INSIDE JOB
9/11stealth - WTC Pentagon - Removing Evidence and Witnesses
9/11 - Pentagon: Plane, or Cruise Missile?
9/11 CONSPIRACY: Did the Global Hawk drones use Uranium?

HERE ARE THE ONLY TWO LAME VIDEOS THEY RELEASED OF THE 'JET'
Judicial Watch September 11 Pentagon Video -- 1 of 2 (skip to 1:25)
Judicial Watch September 11 Pentagon Video -- 2 of 2 (skip to 0:25)

Also, WHERE and WHY were the hotel security tapes of the incident confiscated? Doesn't an automatic red light go off when things like that happen? What's a legitimate excuse to hide over 80 confiscated videos of an event like that if it ultimately proves their sensationalist claims of a commerical jet hitting? People aren't just questioning these things for their health, or because they are paranoid or crazy, it's because some of these things just don't seem to add up. There are very few people that actually eye-witnessed any of these attacks to be able to doubt the legitimacy of the reports in the first place. And, those with enough sense to question what is presented before them as true, to take the time to do a fair amount of research into these things are few and far between, and obviously not enough to matter or make a big enough ripple in the grand scheme. So, when trying to go against a cover story once everyone has already bought into it, is undoubtedly hard... if not next to impossible. It wouldn't be the first time our goverment has lied to us, though. What about the existence of Area 51 and other black budget projects that were covered up but later admitted to having?

In this particular case, you amount to just one of the masses that saw absolutely nothing and have simply bought into the cover story hook, line, and sinker and then turn around saying I'm the one running on blind faith? You forget I was actually close enough to supposed crash site to be able to have a doubt. Sorry, but where were you during this to be able to say anything is worth believing beyond a reasonable doubt? EXACTLY...you can't, which unfortunately resigns you to the role of a gullible person if you do.

When you look at what has happened in favor of the american goverment since the events of 9-11, it makes a lot more sense that our government just might've known a little more than they lead on, probably played an active role in hiding the truth in order to give them trumped up reasons to start wars, strip freedoms, and otherwise impose their fear on others to their own benefit.

SolSkye,...that was one good post!
You didnt argue with anyone...you just expressing your view.
I like that!..and yeah, dont worry...this isnt the 1st time your government lied to you...if you look way back in history,..there was tons of conspiracy theories leading toward the american government.


Im not an American, but..based on my common senses, i dont really think your President have that kind of power to manipulate the people of America. There's gotta be someone higher than him thats pulling all the strings.
George Bush are just mere puppet...dress up to be fucked!

Yea, the only time I have heard about "Malaysia" was in Zoolander. Apparently there's a lot of child labor there.

Acedreamer, you really don't understand American culture, no matter how much you think you do. You think we are scared of our government? What a crock. We attack our government every waking day on this planet. You think we are afraid? Why don't you come on over to the USA and see how afraid we are. Live hasn't changed the smallest bit.

And Solskye, I'm not going to trust any source called "9/11, Inside Job", or any other of your sources. Your logic is extremely flawed. Sure, you can post all this "truth" about people saying a plane never hit the Pentagon, but it doesnt mean it's true. Do you honestly believe the government could just LIE about a jet hitting a building? Whatever.


Btw, it sounds to me like both of you are afraid. Your "what if" conspiracy theories prove it. You are afraid the American government has too much power over you. Its pathetic.

This is a weak post by me. I really don't know what to say to you guys! If you took your theories to court, you would loose miserably for lack of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. O yea, here's my indisputable truth.

http://www.oilempire.us/pentagon.html

My favorite part is how the hole in the Pentagon matches the width of the Boeing 757. Thank you

Half/Dreaming...
Thanks for the critic!
Child Labor huh?hurm...apperently, you need to study more my friend.

I have never said i understand your culture. If you arent AFRAID of your government then tell me, why is the level of poverty are still high while you government are making money at the war? Are you saying this is your culture?
WAR? You may not be afraid of your government but they did'nt give a damn about you either! They have scared you off so bad, that you just have to tag along with them so that you will feel like you are protected.well,Are you? Go ask any of your soldier friend who went to IRAQ, ask them did your government care about you? You are just a mere dog to them, they will play with you and keep you happy for a while and then when you get f**k, who got you back? The Government?...F**k you! You're on your own!
You wanna act like a patriotic redneck,You wanna talk like you got someballs, try going to IRAQ and i promise you, it aint gonna take a day see what is going on in this world and what is your government are doing to it.



Buddy, what is so hard to understand? Nobody asked for you to believe it.
If you government are innocent, then why do they have to hide so many things?
The video tapes, the radio transmission log and so many astounding evidence
just went missing. What is that? Explain it?


Im not afraid, i just felt pity for you people who work so hard to build that great country, and your government didnt appriciate that. I didnt hate you nor your country, i just dont like the way your government run things.

Our culture is one where if you don't help the country, the country doesnt help you. Please explain to me why poor people deserve money just for being alive. They are poor for a reason. If the reason is legitamite, they should get money, but drug addicts, alcoholics, and plain lazy people don't deserve tax money.

Btw, I'm going to Iraq. I've already signed the papers. And believe me, i never said our government is innocent. I just said they didn't plan 9/11. Also, don't call me a redneck. You think anybody who believes Al Qaeda should be gone is a redneck? I could just as easily call you Asain stereotypes, but I have the courtesy not to.

O yea, the child labor thing was a joke. Watch Zoolander, you'll understand.

Because as the government gets richer, the people are suppose live better too. Letme tell you, how its works ok?

The poor- Work like a friggin slave and got a shitty pay and pay motherload of taxes.

The Middle-Class-Does all the rich guy, works and pay all thier taxes to the government.

The Rich-Does nothing, pays no taxes and live rich like a bastard!

So, They keep on getting rich, while the poor suffer continously and the government couldnt turn table around because they know...the rich own them.

Before you go to Iraq, think for a second, whos paying the war? You think your government, is crazy enough to supply that much of money?
When you said poor dont do shit! You should think again next because they are the one who are doing worst shit ever out there while you are sleeping and still nobody gives a rat ass about them. Is this what America's have become? Tell me then, why should you care about going to Iraq then?
You dont care about your people.

Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

Acedreamer, you really don't understand American culture, no matter how much you think you do. You think we are scared of our government? What a crock. We attack our government every waking day on this planet. You think we are afraid? Why don't you come on over to the USA and see how afraid we are. Live hasn't changed the smallest bit.

Thats not exactly true. There was a big thread a while ago on here of people who think he police are corrupt. And really there are a lot of people who think that because they are afraid of the police. Then look at this thread, how many people think 9/11 is in an inside job? Do you think they would believe such a thing and not be scared of the government?

Like SolSkye said, why are they hiding stuff? Doesn't that make you the least bit uncomfortable? Why do you think "We attack our government every waking day on this planet"? Its because people are scared of our government growing out of control and they are desperately trying to stop it.

Originally Posted by Acedreamer

Because as the government gets richer, the people are suppose live better too. Letme tell you, how its works ok?

The poor- Work like a friggin slave and got a shitty pay and pay motherload of taxes.

The Middle-Class-Does all the rich guy, works and pay all thier taxes to the government.

The Rich-Does nothing, pays no taxes and live rich like a bastard!

So, They keep on getting rich, while the poor suffer continously and the government couldnt turn table around because they know...the rich own them.

Before you go to Iraq, think for a second, whos paying the war? You think your government, is crazy enough to supply that much of money?
When you said poor dont do shit! You should think again next because they are the one who are doing worst shit ever out there while you are sleeping and still nobody gives a rat ass about them. Is this what America's have become? Tell me then, why should you care about going to Iraq then?
You dont care about your people.

I'm going there to help fight the last real evil on the planet. If I could help the democracies in Iraq and Afghanistan, then that would be awesome.

You once again prove that you don't know much about my country. The poor get tax breaks here, and some are basically exempt from taxes. And they are not the hardest workers in our country. Also, rich people get jacked big time.

Also, despite what you think we care about our soldiers.

Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

Also, despite what you think we care about our soldiers.

I have heard countless stories of soliders coming back from iraq injured and the government refuses to pay for their treatment. Often time people come back with life long disabilities and they are left alone to figure out what to do by themself. The people care about our soilders, the government couldn't care less.

Originally Posted by Alric

I have heard countless stories of soliders coming back from iraq injured and the government refuses to pay for their treatment. Often time people come back with life long disabilities and they are left alone to figure out what to do by themself. The people care about our soilders, the government couldn't care less.

I'm not sure if they are being denied healthcare, but it is in shabby condition. Soldiers aren't getting the care when they need it. However, the amount of fraud is amazing, so the government is extremely careful with it. Unfortunately this leads to poor healthcare.

On an unrelated subject, the whole thing about soldiers being refused body armor is completely wrong. All soldeirs with combat roles are issued body armor, and they are never sent into battle without it. The people who dont get it are like cooks and water treatement personel etc., who sometimes die without body armor on.

Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

I'm going there to help fight the last real evil on the planet. If I could help the democracies in Iraq and Afghanistan, then that would be awesome.

You once again prove that you don't know much about my country. The poor get tax breaks here, and some are basically exempt from taxes. And they are not the hardest workers in our country. Also, rich people get jacked big time.

Also, despite what you think we care about our soldiers.

Hey, listen to Alric allright. He gotta point and i gotta point.
1 more thing, are you actually poor? If not then you wouldnt know... you just an ignorant man who couldnt care less about his own country and now you wanna go out and help those guys in the middle east? Get the fuck outta here!
You're just gonna be a stool and you aint gonna do shit. ill bet you, that you will never going fire a single bullet over there...because, You american have kill all of them already! So if you really wanna bring peace to the middle east then i guess you and the government are just the same bunch of lunatic! who kill 1st and think later.

Lets look at this fact allright?

Iraq- Poor country and had a couple of small militant group who are just trying to protect thier goats and shit.

American- Tanks,Heavy machinery,Aircraft,State of the art weapon.

Whats the threat? Where the diplomacy?
Owh they attack you first? of course they do, you invaded thier country, kill thier people and rape thier women! What would you expect? A nice dinner?
You wanna kill the terrorist? Go look for them, use your so-called elite soldier and find them!...just like what you try to do with Fidel Castro back then. What kinda man call himself a soldier when all he did, was fly around in an aircraft and bombing all the place like he's playing nintendo. Thats ridiculous! You wanna show the world that you are the best? you want to show them that you are against terrorism? Then why did you kill all the kids? Are they terrorist to you? This is a simple example that shows what america's are. A country thats filled with fear, hatred and insecurity.

This is whats up :

Originally Posted by Leo Volont

Yes, I know all about it.

You see, I'm educated.

What we had under Saddam Hussein was a Secular Government that was suppressing the revolutionary tendencies of both the Sunni Fundamental Sects and the Shia Fundamentalist Sects. Also Iraq's secular government was managing the Kurdish Revolutionaries in the North who wanted to tear Iraq apart to create an independent Kurdestan -- just so their own fat cats could have their own tyrany. And the Saddam Government was able to do this, to maintain Peace and Order with relatively little duress or bloodshed, when compared to how much Blood and Duress the Americans have been using without the leanest fraction of the success that Saddam had with his regime.

You see, what all too many idiots forget is that Saddam was once handpicked by the CIA simply because he was the best man for the job. A Secularist. for 8 years Saddam fought against Iran, as America's Surrogate.

he took Kuwait because he thought that after spending 1,000,000 Iraqi Lives for a War waged entirely for American Self Interests, that he deserved it. That Iraq deserved it.

Afterall, Bush, the Old Bush, had been CIA Director all the time when Saddam Hussein was fighting as America's Proxy againt Iran. What had to have happened was that George Bush Sr made a promise to Saddam Hussein. "You fight this War against Iran, and we will let you take Kuwait".

Why else do you think that the moment George Bush Sr became President that Hussein would invade Kuwait. he was merely collecting on an old debt.

And why shouldn't we have allowed Iraq to take possession of kuwait? What is Kuwait but some Royal Scam. It is a Make Believe Country made up from Nothing during the Damned Treaty of Versailles after the First War. Why the hell should any Arab or Turk look upon any of those borders as Real. What gives Englishmen and Frenchmen the right? War. Well what War can take away, then War can take back.

But George Bush Sr.... who knows what he had promised Saddam when he was CIA Director. For all we know, he may have promised Saddam all of Saudi Arabia too. Remember, Old Bush never imagined he would ever become President. He never thought that far ahead. But Old Bush -- all his Family Money was tied up in Arabian Oil. And so he needed a War to buffer Saddam away from Arabia.

But once the Arabian border was secure. Bush backed off. He knew that Saddam's Secular Regime was the BEST POSSIBLE GOVERNMENT for Iraq. That it offered stability.

I often wonder why Clinton didn't lighten up and bring Saddam back into the good graces of America. Perhaps it was because Clinton has to appease all thos Assholes on the Religious Conservative Right who absolutely insisted that America make every Non-Jew in the World some enemy of the state. Clinton could never ignore a political poll, and American's loved to hate Saddam Hussein, no matter how good he was.

yes, I would bring back Saddam and the whole Bathist Party, and give them 200 Billion Dollars, while signing over every piece of American Military Hardware in the Country. he would be able to reestablish Order, and he would bring back Secular Government. That is what we want, isn't it? So why the hell are we now supporting a Government of Sunni and Shia Fundamentalists?

We made enemies of our Real Friends, and made Friends of all our Real Enemies.

And most stupid idiot retarded asshole conservatives jerkoffs don't know the difference.

You guys just want blood and don't care who does the bleeding.

You're way to hostile, AceDreamer, and you don't sound like you know much.

1.Saying that I'm not going to do anything in Iraq is like saying my vote for the president doesn't matter. What a stupid notion.

2.I am not "poor", but many of my good friends are. I've been to their houses, and i know how they live. I also know why they are poor.

3. Were you high for all of 2003? I recall months of the diplomacy you love so much. Saddam was stubborn.

4. We only invaded the Middle-east after they attacked us, unless you count us freeing Kuwait from Iraq.

5. WE do not kill the kids. The US is responsible for 30% of civilian deaths in Iraq. 70% is caused by terrorists.

Still, it sounds to me like you are the one with hatred and insecurity, not to mention ignorance. You need some serious education on the subject.

Originally Posted by Acedreamer

I dont really care about what they are doing now.

Of course you don't care what Japan is doing now. If it weren't for the United States, you would. We changed their government in 1945 so that they would stop screwing with other countries, like yours. Now they are a great capitalist nation of wealth, intelligence, and respect for freedom. I challenge you to say something nice about that.

Originally Posted by Acedreamer

You're just gonna be a stool and you aint gonna do shit. ill bet you, that you will never going fire a single bullet over there...because, You american have kill all of them already!

Now THAT might be the best Twilight Zone statement I have seen in this thread so far! Americans have already killed ALL of the people in Iraq! Damn, how did you figure us out like that?

EDIT: Oh my God... I just noticed that you quoted Leo Volont as a form of argument. Do you know who that is? He was an asshole pedophilia sympathizer who got banned. What is supposed to be the value of quoting him? And how did a newcomer like you hunt down a Leo Volont quote? Leo, is that you? If so, I have a theory that you might be Charles Manson on a prison computer.

Originally Posted by SolSkye

In this particular case, you amount to just one of the masses that saw absolutely nothing and have simply bought into the cover story hook, line, and sinker and then turn around saying I'm the one running on blind faith?

Again, what are your sources other than your own supposed eye witness testimony? I told you why the videos I have seen and the fierce nature of corporate competition make my sources the best possible. It takes blind faith to accept what the left wing fanatic blog sites say, and it would take blind faith for me to just drop everything and accept the words of some every day Joe I've only talked to on the internet. That would be especially hard considering the number of people who work at the Pentagon and were actually there for the crash. Can you post a petition of thousands of Pentagon workers saying, "Uh, we were at work at the Pentagon at that moment, and we don't remember any 747 airplane crashing into the building. We did notice a big hole in the building, and it formed some time after we arrived, and we did see an 747 driving up to the side of the building, but we don't remember anything about an airplane crash."? Do you think you can find that for me?

Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

4. We only invaded the Middle-east after they attacked us, unless you count us freeing Kuwait from Iraq.

5. WE do not kill the kids. The US is responsible for 30% of civilian deaths in Iraq. 70% is caused by terrorists.

Um they never attacked us so number 4 is totally untrue. And yea, killing 30% is still killing 30%. Meaning we have infact killed children.

Al Qaeda attacked us. Thats the whole reason we went there in the first place. I feel like I'm not getting through to you guys.

Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

Al Qaeda attacked us. Thats the whole reason we went there in the first place. I feel like I'm not getting through to you guys.

Oh right, because Iraq always had close ties with Al Qaeda.

Thats because you just said we invaded the middle east because Al Qaeda attacked us, as if the middle east was al qaeda or something.

Originally Posted by Alric

Thats because you just said we invaded the middle east because Al Qaeda attacked us, as if the middle east was al qaeda or something.

If you want to get technical as hell, i can oblige. Technically, we haven't invaded the middle east, just a few of it's countries.

Are you going to challenge any of my or Universal Mind's points? This should be about the 9/11 Conspiracy Theories, not Iraq. My last point was that the hole in the Pentagon was almost exactly the size a Boeing 757 (btw, flight 77 wasnt a 747, and neither were any of the other planes). Can you argue against that?

Originally Posted by Alric

Thats because you just said we invaded the middle east because Al Qaeda attacked us, as if the middle east was al qaeda or something.

We are at war with Islamofascism, and that war was influenced by Al Qaeda's attack on us. That does not mean we think every single Islamofascist or Islamofascist government attacked us.

Let's say the Crypts attack some old ladies. As a result, the mayor of Los Angeles decides it's time to go to war with street gangs. A result of that decision is the decision to go after the Bloods. Does that mean the mayor thinks the Bloods attacked those old ladies? No. It means his government is at war with street gangs. The Bloods pose the same type of threat and an even greater form of it than the Crypts did, so they have to be taken on also as a result of the new policy that was influenced by the Crypts' attack.

Most of the origins of the various middle eastern conflicts emanate from us (the British)
read up on the Balfour declaration
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour...ration_of_1917

We've also had a historical tenancy to move into foreign countries, dissolving any government or other governing authority in place, claiming the country is now under British rule, then just forgetting about the country altogether. Allowing it to degrade and fall into the hands of whoever can buy authority (drug barons, usually) and then 100 years later, wondering why the old colonies are corrupt and the poor are oppressed.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

We are at war with Islamofascism, and that war was influenced by Al Qaeda's attack on us. That does not mean we think every single Islamofascist or Islamofascist government attacked us.

Let's say the Crypts attack some old ladies. As a result, the mayor of Los Angeles decides it's time to go to war with street gangs. A result of that decision is the decision to go after the Bloods. Does that mean the mayor thinks the Bloods attacked those old ladies? No. It means his government is at war with street gangs. The Bloods pose the same type of threat and an even greater form of it than the Crypts did, so they have to be taken on also as a result of the new policy that was influenced by the Crypts' attack.

The difference was that Iraq is a government and they are not islamofascist.

Originally Posted by Alric

The difference was that Iraq is a government and they are not islamofascist.

Saddam gassed Kurds because they would not choose a side in his opression of Shi'a Muslims, also because he thought they were inferior. The supression of other religions by a Muslim group is pretty much the definition of Islamofascism.

Originally Posted by Alric

The difference was that Iraq is a government and they are not islamofascist.

Did you read what I wrote about their history with Israel? Their support for Hamas and providing of financial incentives for Palestinian suicide bombers? Hussein called the United States "Satan" and "infidels", both of which illustrate their Islamofascism. We had a major terrorist problem on our hands with the existence of the Hussein regime. We couldn't just ignore it, and nothing else worked. They had to go.