Thread: americans/Brits using depleted uranum in bombs and shells

Yea its old news. Even that report is dated 2003 and we still havn't stopped using that stuff. There has been report of contaminated dust blowing as far away as Britain. We use that crap in all our weapons. Most over in iraq but we even shoot that crap here in the us for practice.

What is really disgusting however are the fact that troops come back from iraq sick from using the stuff then the government refuses to admit there is a health hazard(they claim its contained), and will refuse to pay health care of the affected troops.

Its been reported time and again, everything on there is true. The government will even admit that the stuff is hazardous and they have special clean up crews to deal with it because of it. They claim that the stuff is safe if they follow the proper procedures and they claim they always do, hence why its totally safe in their mind. Of course no one with even the smallest amount of common sense believes that. Do you really think they bring up a clean up crew every time they fire off a tank? Of course not, thats why cancer rates is 10 times higher and our troops are coming back sick.

uh no! poorly paid hired hitmen are getting sick!

I know - ironic isn't it. They make such a froth about what if the terrorists get radioactive material to make a dirtybomb, when everyday THEY are exploding munitions tipped with uranium, poisoning people and lands for millenia to come.

I know - ironic isn't it. They make such a froth about what if the terrorists get radioactive material to make a dirtybomb, when everyday THEY are exploding munitions tipped with uranium, poisoning people and lands for millenia to come.

it could allmost be called a "mini hiroshima" except happening on a daily basis so it is easier to overlook and forget about.

Conicidential! I just recently found out the same it. However, it is old news indeed. I can't believe only few people know this. The amount of deformed children really goes up everywhere they shoot around with depleted uranium bullets : /

Sick shit, sick shit. I can't believe that kind of weaponry is as illegal as anthrax.

i might be mistaken, but doesnt "depleted" mean the uranium has lost its radioactive properties? I dont think it makes a small nuclear explosion when used in a tank round either.

No it doesn't. They remove the Isotopes that is used to make bombs and stuff, which is much more radioactive than normal uranium. However normal uranium is raidoactive so even though its much less it can still cause damage. And since they are using so much of it, it gets all over, in the sand, in the air and in the water. So its every where.

If you walked into a room with some, then left. You would hardly suffer. We however are talking about people who are literally not only eating and drinking it but breathing it in every day. The worst thing however, is that the stuff remains radioactive for billions of years, their country will never recover.

What cities have been wiped out? Do you have pictures of the neighborhoods full of dead people from the depleted uranium attacks?

I really don't know enough to say what the extent of such damage would be, but with the mass cult that is so boned up to trash the U.S. any little chance they get, this would be humongous news if it were as serious as some people are making it out to be. Just look at what kind of hysteria resulted from the fraternity hazing at Abu Ghraib by a select few deviants who were not following orders (and not the mass killings performed by the lovely and wonderful Iraqi insurgent terrorists). There might be some bad effects, but they have apparently been determined to be very minor in comparison to the highly extreme effects of refraining from the military operations. War sucks, and it will no longer be necessary when the whole world is liberated. The more international support we get in working toward that goal, the sooner it will happen.

Originally Posted by shark!

uh no! poorly paid hired hitmen are getting sick!

I guess I was a poorly paid hired hit man.

LOL, fuck off.

Depleted uranium is used in a lot of weapons because its great for armor peircing rounds. Its used heavily in tank rounds. They can be made into any kind of ammo and you will seen them shot out of rifiles and stuff too but the huge tank rounds are how we spread most of it, because they are just so big.

I have seen the pictures of the birth defects and stuff but really I have no need to post sick pictures of that. I am sure you can google it. When you use nuclear bombs the raidoactive stuff disappears fairly quickly as most of the energy is released in the explosion. This stuff it stays around forever at low levels. Calling in a small nuclear bomb probably isn't the best way to put it. Its more like a poison. We are covering the entire area with poison, which will last billions of years. The stuff gets into the soil and into the food supply. It gets into the water and they don't have the best filtration over there, so they end up drinking it.

Of course anyone who is hit by the round dies. That is our goal however. The problem is everyone else who dies a slow death. Increased cancer rates, huge amounts of birth defects and other medical problems they are having. This stuff will never go away, the wind blows the dust all over the place.

The reasons this kind of stuff doesn't come out very much is because it puts our country in a very bad light. Its not an anti bush thing and you can't blame him for it. Its an anti US army thing and everyone loves to yell, "support our troops" bullcrap, so they are slow to point the blame at the armed services. This stuff isn't made up though, the government has its own reports showing the dangers of it. We know what it does, its a fact not some theory someone came up with.

Originally Posted by Alric

The reasons this kind of stuff doesn't come out very much is because it puts our country in a very bad light. Its not an anti bush thing and you can't blame him for it. Its an anti US army thing and everyone loves to yell, "support our troops" bullcrap, so they are slow to point the blame at the armed services. This stuff isn't made up though, the government has its own reports showing the dangers of it. We know what it does, its a fact not some theory someone came up with.

I don't know much about that, and it sounds really terrible. It just seems like such a story would be hog Heaven for sensational journalism. I don't see why it wouldn't make Anna Nicole Smith look like a rat that lived for three days and died in the sewer. Even American journalists have no qualms about humiliating the military. If Abu Ghraib wasn't suppressed, it seems like American military caused uranium poisoning all over the place wouldn't be either. The New York Times would be having orgasms just thinking about printing a story about it every single day, like they did with Abu Ghraib. If the government is keeping people like that so low key, it is pretty shocking.

Just because the new york times doesn't report it doesn't mean its not true. There are articles about it all the time. Just because its not fox or cnn doesn't mean you should just disregard it.

Honestly there is very little real criticism of the government. The news is more focused on stuff making money than reporting news. Things they can really hype up to sound bad but are actually not to bad. And lets face it, there is more than a small amount of propaganda in a lot of new sources.

This is obviously one example of it. How come they don't report it? That is a serious question you should ask. Here is another, how come you rarely hear reports of the north american union? You hear people talking about illegal immgrents all the time but you rarely hear about the plans the government has to earse the border with mexico, to make an EU type government between mexico and canada. Suddenly all the crap they do makes sense, why secure the border if your going to allow free travel across it within a few years anyway? But its never talked about.

Heck back to Iraq, they talk about the bombings and how many people die every day in iraq. How come they don't say anything when they lockdown baghdad because they fear uprisings however? A couple of times they had to totally stop all travel in the city because they thought the new government might be overthrown, yet you hear nothing of it.

How come they never mention how much trouble our economy is in? They like to complian about minor numbers or cheer on our economy when a few things point up. Yet they rarely talk about how serious our countries debt really is. If you go look at smaller news groups, you will see aritcles on it all the time about how our country is bankrupt, how theres no way we can pay for social security in the coming years. A while back when the government stopped reporting how much money it was creating, there wasn't any news on it. Given the serious nature of it, you would think it should be. It wasn't however. And incase you don't know why its important, its because thats the cause of inflation and without them reporting it, inflation can balloon out of control without anyone seeing before its to late.

So who knows why they report what they. All I know is that if you only listen to one or two news sources your not getting the entire story.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

What cities have been wiped out? Do you have pictures of the neighborhoods full of dead people from the depleted uranium attacks?

Who ever said that? Do you even understand the issue here? Uranium, even 'depleted' (depleted enough not to have use in reactors) gives people CANCER. Cancer isn't nice to give to people.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../07/se.08.html

Bottom line there:

DR. HELEN CALDICOTT, NUCLEAR POLICY RESEARCH INSTITUTE: Yes. They used up to 300 to 800 tons of uranium shells that are 1.7 times more dense than lead. So, they cut through a tank like a hot knife through butter, but they're (UNINTELLIGIBLE). So, when they hit the tank, they spontaneously burn, producing tiny particles of respiratory (ph) size. Hence, they can be inhaled into the terminal air passages.

They're radioactive and carcinogenic, and uranium 238 has a half- life of 4.5 billion years.

So, what's happened is, because children are 10 to 20 times more radiosensitive than adults and get cancer much more readily, the incidents of childhood cancer in Basra, where these weapons were used, has gone up 6 to 12 times. Little girls are even getting breast cancer at the age of 10.

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Also, of course the pentagon knows better what the effect of uranium is. Like agent orange. It totally wasn't toxic to people, not at all. Really it wasn't. No way it wasn't. Look, we have like great reports here, they are real shiny, and they buy us time till people forget about the birth defects in vietnam (that still are (relatively) Extremely frequent in Vietnam).

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Just look at what kind of hysteria resulted from the fraternity hazing at Abu Ghraib by a select few deviants who were not following orders (and not the mass killings performed by the lovely and wonderful Iraqi insurgent terrorists).

lol.

Where have I heard that before? 'OH, but those people weren't doing what the government wanted'. Mmmmm... Sounds like: "Oh, but those people aren't really Muslims.' or "oh, all the Christians that are racist, aren't really Christians."

War sucks, and it will no longer be necessary when the whole world is liberated. The more international support we get in working toward that goal, the sooner it will happen.

Haha. Please tell me you are high right now. Man, if you honestly think that, you are quite literally insane. Hows the great liberation-streak gone for you, the last 30-40 years? However, few people will call you insane. As will people not call a man insane that claims to have seen a flying man, as long as that man is Jesus.

It all dwindles down to large groups with mass delusions. I see more and more similarities between religious groups, political groups like communism, and extremely nationalistic groups like most of Americans, and how the Nazis were.

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Because 'this is bad, but we have to do it', says so much. (You admit war sucks, but you just haaave to keep on liberatin') Do you really think the Nazis enjoyed gassing Jews? I can assure you, 90% did not. It 'just had to be done', for the greater good, for the 3rd reich, for their 'global liberation'.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Who ever said that? Do you even understand the issue here? Uranium, even 'depleted' (depleted enough not to have use in reactors) gives people CANCER. Cancer isn't nice to give to people.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../07/se.08.html

Yes, apparently it can happen. Somebody a few posts back compared the situation to far greater instances of destruction. I'm proud of you for finding such a report from a news organization that has dedicated its entire existence to making Bush look bad. Excellent detective work.

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Also, of course the pentagon knows better what the effect of uranium is. Like agent orange. It totally wasn't toxic to people, not at all. Really it wasn't. No way it wasn't. Look, we have like great reports here, they are real shiny, and they buy us time till people forget about the birth defects in vietnam (that still are (relatively) Extremely frequent in Vietnam).
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Oh, okay. Since you are so assertive, I guess I will just believe you. And any report that trashes the United States is automatically true to the same extent the report asserts. But even though I have my magnifying glass out, I can't find your counterargument to my major point, which is that the people who have dedicated their lives, or perhaps I should say lack of having lives, to trashing the United States would be so all over this thing if it were as serious as you assert.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Where have I heard that before? 'OH, but those people weren't doing what the government wanted'. Mmmmm... Sounds like: "Oh, but those people aren't really Muslims.' or "oh, all the Christians that are racist, aren't really Christians."

More assertion, so I guess I automatically believe you. And it totally wins me over when people compare my arguments to arguments I disagree with. But your point is a dodge. The theme of my post was not Abu Ghraib. The theme of my post was social hysteria among the hate cult of the far left. Let me know when you can counter that point instead of just running off on your tangential assertions. If the depleted uranium were as Earth shattering as you would LOVE to believe it is, it would be the biggest news story in the world. Remember Abu Ghraib?

Originally Posted by Neruo

Because 'this is bad, but we have to do it', says so much. (You admit war sucks, but you just haaave to keep on liberatin') Do you really think the Nazis enjoyed gassing Jews? I can assure you, 90% did not. It 'just had to be done', for the greater good, for the 3rd reich, for their 'global liberation'.

You think what the Nazis did worked for the greater good? I don't. But I think what my fellow Americans did to kick their asses and save yours did work for the greater good. Just look at the freedom you now have to screw around all day on the internet and trash everybody who has sacrificed so much for you. It's not exactly the Nazi state you would be living in if it weren't for the brave and skillful military boys from the incredible, phenomenal, better than Holland, greatest in history, most technologically advanced, humanitarianism leading, liberation leading, entertainment dominating, richest and most successful in history... U.... S..... A!!!!! A bunch of them recently told me to tell you, "You're welcome."

Wow, I had no idea that we used those weapons. I thought we learned at least one lesson from Vietnam, I see that we didn't.

Like others have said, the media almost never reports on things that make the US look bad.

Universal Mind, almost every one who started a war thought they were doing the right thing. Hitler did, Xerxes did, the pope did, and so on.

There has been countless reports on this. There is no arguement here, its a scientic fact that the stuff is radioactive, and its a well known fact that we use it in our weapons. The government will admit to this. You put two and two togather and you know this story is true.

Your question on why does the media not cover it more, while interesting has no bearing on the story being true or false. I can only speculate on why they might not report, likely there are a number of reasons. I gave some in my last post. What I can say is that this story is true, and its been proven.

Originally Posted by Harrycombs

Universal Mind, almost every one who started a war thought they were doing the right thing. Hitler did, Xerxes did, the pope did, and so on.

That doesn't mean they actually were. Hitler was evil, but taking him down was justifiable and good. Don't you agree? Imagine what things would be like right now if his world domination quest, which he got VERY far with, had worked out.

If you don't think the media ever tries to make the U.S. look bad, start watching CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, and PBS, and listen to NPR. They are obsessed with reporting nothing but negativity and spinning it against the United States at every turn. It is disgusting.

Originally Posted by Alric

There has been countless reports on this. There is no arguement here, its a scientic fact that the stuff is radioactive, and its a well known fact that we use it in our weapons. The government will admit to this. You put two and two togather and you know this story is true.

Your question on why does the media not cover it more, while interesting has no bearing on the story being true or false. I can only speculate on why they might not report, likely there are a number of reasons. I gave some in my last post. What I can say is that this story is true, and its been proven.

I have said that there is obviously truth to the story, but the extent of the destruction caused I would bet a million dollars is greatly hyped up. I don't think the major news corporations lie. It would be too easy for their competition to take them down if they did. What I think they do is use a great deal of spin in the form of selective angling and hyperbole in the form of facts put together to form illusion. It is a lot like the behavior of trial lawyers. It is a flat out ethics violation for a lawyer to ever tell a single lie in a legal proceeding or document. However, using facts to create illusions is perfectly acceptable. That is what the major news corporations do.

The reasons this kind of stuff doesn't come out very much is because it puts our country in a very bad light. Its not an anti bush thing and you can't blame him for it. Its an anti US army thing and everyone loves to yell, "support our troops" bullcrap, so they are slow to point the blame at the armed services. This stuff isn't made up though, the government has its own reports showing the dangers of it. We know what it does, its a fact not some theory someone came up with.

Sorry but you're wrong. Do you think the joes on the ground developed those weapons? If you want to blame anyone, blame the big boys up in weapons development. You're also wrong on another note, "an anti-US Army thing". USMC uses these weapons, too, so do your homework before you start pointing the finger.

I apologize for having to have sounded like an asshole, but you really pissed me off. You're going to blame the troops for the weapons they use? That's pretty naive, seeing as how they have no say in it whatsoever.

And that quote was from Alric, BTW, I don't know why the quote thing messed up.

First off I was talking about the higher ups in the army. The ones who decide this kind of stuff. When did I ever say the ground troops are to blame for anything?

If anything I am on their side. Do you know how many troops come back from Iraq sick because they were using this stuff? The government doesn't give a damn about them and often times they cant even get medical care to treat the illnesses that was caused by the US military. The government totally writes them off.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

That doesn't mean they actually were. Hitler was evil, but taking him down was justifiable and good. Don't you agree? Imagine what things would be like right now if his world domination quest, which he got VERY far with, had worked out.

If you don't think the media ever tries to make the U.S. look bad, start watching CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, and PBS, and listen to NPR. They are obsessed with reporting nothing but negativity and spinning it against the United States at every turn. It is disgusting.



I have said that there is obviously truth to the story, but the extent of the destruction caused I would bet a million dollars is greatly hyped up. I don't think the major news corporations lie. It would be too easy for their competition to take them down if they did. What I think they do is use a great deal of spin in the form of selective angling and hyperbole in the form of facts put together to form illusion. It is a lot like the behavior of trial lawyers. It is a flat out ethics violation for a lawyer to ever tell a single lie in a legal proceeding or document. However, using facts to create illusions is perfectly acceptable. That is what the major news corporations do.

First off, if Hitler had conquered the world, he would have a huge amount of opposition, and perhaps the entire world would join together in a revolt against him. Dictatorships will fall by revolts and protests by the people. His government probably wouldn't exist today if he had one WW II.

Also, the news may be anti-Bush, but they wouldn't even think about being anti-American. There are some good corruption stories to tell, and others that the people wouldn't ever want to hear about.

Originally Posted by Alric

First off I was talking about the higher ups in the army. The ones who decide this kind of stuff. When did I ever say the ground troops are to blame for anything?

If anything I am on their side. Do you know how many troops come back from Iraq sick because they were using this stuff? The government doesn't give a damn about them and often times they cant even get medical care to treat the illnesses that was caused by the US military. The government totally writes them off.

Oh, all apologies then. I thought you were talking about the joes. I stand corrected.

are you guys really arguing if the US is using depleted uranium and if it is harmful for people?

They have been using it for ages. Maybe YOUR media dont report on it because they dont want you to be scared or lose faith in war, but its a well known fact here (Greece) and in other places in Europe I've been. These weapons were extensively used during the Kosovo bombings...

One of the worst things is that children like to play with destroyed tanks (I also would like to do that if I was a kid) and tanks "killed" by depleted uranium ammunition can stay radioactive for ages. So you get the picture.

So what about making cluster bomb bomblets a nice bright colour so that kids are drown to them if they stay unexploded... sounds like a good idea?

http://www.un.org.pk/latest-dev/UXO-...102-10_jpg.jpg
(thats from the UN site. this bomblet can destroy a tank.)

PS: I am not saying that its Bush's fault or whatever. The problem with people is that they dont understand that war ALWAYS creates problems and doesnt solve them. Its a strange idea saying "we are giving people cancer, thats not good" YOU ARE BOMBING THEM AND SHOOTING THEM, cancer is the last thing they are going to think about...
PPS: Oh and about Hitler... the US or the Allies didnt start a war to stop Hitler. Hitler started a war to OCCUPY places he thought were important for him. And he found resistance. And he found other big countries opposed to him. Think about that, please. We really don't need another WW.

Exactly, it is a fact. There really is no way to argue it as untrue. You make a good point though. It just adds to the already huge list of casualties. I mean they already have something around 50,000+ civilian deaths in iraq, about 25,000 US military casualities.

Whats a few thousand extra iraqi deaths from cancer, a few thousand US troops who will suffer the rest of their lives in sickness, and a couple thousand children born with horrendous birth defects? On the large scale its probably not such a big deal.

As for me, I personally think its sick and disgusting and we should stop it. Though I guess getting your arms blown off in combat is just as bad as having all the bones in your spine fuse togather because you were shooting depleted uranum rounds.