Thread: americans/Brits using depleted uranum in bombs and shells

BRITISH and American coalition forces are using depleted uranium (DU) shells in the war against Iraq and deliberately flouting a United Nations resolution which classifies the munitions as illegal weapons of mass destruction.

Professor Doug Rokke, ex-director of the Pentagon's depleted uranium project -- a former professor of environmental science at Jacksonville University and onetime US army colonel who was tasked by the US department of defense with the post-first Gulf war depleted uranium desert clean-up -- said use of DU was a 'war crime'.
Rokke said: 'There is a moral point to be made here. This war was about Iraq possessing illegal weapons of mass destruction -- yet we are using weapons of mass destruction ourselves.' He added: 'Such double-standards are repellent.' The latest use of DU in the current conflict came on Friday when an American A10 tankbuster plane fired a DU shell, killing one British soldier and injuring three others in a 'friendly fire' incident. According to a August 2002 report by the UN subcommission, laws which are breached by the use of DU shells include: the Universal Declaration of Human Rights; the Charter of the United Nations; the Genocide Convention; the Convention Against Torture; the four Geneva Conventions of 1949; the Conventional Weapons Convention of 1980; and the Hague Conventions of 1899 and 1907, which expressly forbid employing 'poison or poisoned weapons' and 'arms, projectiles or materials calculated to cause unnecessary suffering'. All of these laws are designed to spare civilians from unwarranted suffering in armed conflicts.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0330-02.htm

well it seems this is a complete disregard for human life to me and a war crime. I read in onother forume taht the depleted uranium is used for its "armor piercing properties"
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Yea its old news. Even that report is dated 2003 and we still havn't stopped using that stuff. There has been report of contaminated dust blowing as far away as Britain. We use that crap in all our weapons. Most over in iraq but we even shoot that crap here in the us for practice.

What is really disgusting however are the fact that troops come back from iraq sick from using the stuff then the government refuses to admit there is a health hazard(they claim its contained), and will refuse to pay health care of the affected troops.

Its been reported time and again, everything on there is true. The government will even admit that the stuff is hazardous and they have special clean up crews to deal with it because of it. They claim that the stuff is safe if they follow the proper procedures and they claim they always do, hence why its totally safe in their mind. Of course no one with even the smallest amount of common sense believes that. Do you really think they bring up a clean up crew every time they fire off a tank? Of course not, thats why cancer rates is 10 times higher and our troops are coming back sick.

uh no! poorly paid hired hitmen are getting sick!

I know - ironic isn't it. They make such a froth about what if the terrorists get radioactive material to make a dirtybomb, when everyday THEY are exploding munitions tipped with uranium, poisoning people and lands for millenia to come.

I know - ironic isn't it. They make such a froth about what if the terrorists get radioactive material to make a dirtybomb, when everyday THEY are exploding munitions tipped with uranium, poisoning people and lands for millenia to come.

it could allmost be called a "mini hiroshima" except happening on a daily basis so it is easier to overlook and forget about.

Originally Posted by shark!

uh no! poorly paid hired hitmen are getting sick!

I guess I was a poorly paid hired hit man.

LOL, fuck off.

Depleted uranium is used in a lot of weapons because its great for armor peircing rounds. Its used heavily in tank rounds. They can be made into any kind of ammo and you will seen them shot out of rifiles and stuff too but the huge tank rounds are how we spread most of it, because they are just so big.

I have seen the pictures of the birth defects and stuff but really I have no need to post sick pictures of that. I am sure you can google it. When you use nuclear bombs the raidoactive stuff disappears fairly quickly as most of the energy is released in the explosion. This stuff it stays around forever at low levels. Calling in a small nuclear bomb probably isn't the best way to put it. Its more like a poison. We are covering the entire area with poison, which will last billions of years. The stuff gets into the soil and into the food supply. It gets into the water and they don't have the best filtration over there, so they end up drinking it.

Of course anyone who is hit by the round dies. That is our goal however. The problem is everyone else who dies a slow death. Increased cancer rates, huge amounts of birth defects and other medical problems they are having. This stuff will never go away, the wind blows the dust all over the place.

The reasons this kind of stuff doesn't come out very much is because it puts our country in a very bad light. Its not an anti bush thing and you can't blame him for it. Its an anti US army thing and everyone loves to yell, "support our troops" bullcrap, so they are slow to point the blame at the armed services. This stuff isn't made up though, the government has its own reports showing the dangers of it. We know what it does, its a fact not some theory someone came up with.

Originally Posted by Alric

The reasons this kind of stuff doesn't come out very much is because it puts our country in a very bad light. Its not an anti bush thing and you can't blame him for it. Its an anti US army thing and everyone loves to yell, "support our troops" bullcrap, so they are slow to point the blame at the armed services. This stuff isn't made up though, the government has its own reports showing the dangers of it. We know what it does, its a fact not some theory someone came up with.

I don't know much about that, and it sounds really terrible. It just seems like such a story would be hog Heaven for sensational journalism. I don't see why it wouldn't make Anna Nicole Smith look like a rat that lived for three days and died in the sewer. Even American journalists have no qualms about humiliating the military. If Abu Ghraib wasn't suppressed, it seems like American military caused uranium poisoning all over the place wouldn't be either. The New York Times would be having orgasms just thinking about printing a story about it every single day, like they did with Abu Ghraib. If the government is keeping people like that so low key, it is pretty shocking.

Conicidential! I just recently found out the same it. However, it is old news indeed. I can't believe only few people know this. The amount of deformed children really goes up everywhere they shoot around with depleted uranium bullets : /

Sick shit, sick shit. I can't believe that kind of weaponry is as illegal as anthrax.

i might be mistaken, but doesnt "depleted" mean the uranium has lost its radioactive properties? I dont think it makes a small nuclear explosion when used in a tank round either.

No it doesn't. They remove the Isotopes that is used to make bombs and stuff, which is much more radioactive than normal uranium. However normal uranium is raidoactive so even though its much less it can still cause damage. And since they are using so much of it, it gets all over, in the sand, in the air and in the water. So its every where.

If you walked into a room with some, then left. You would hardly suffer. We however are talking about people who are literally not only eating and drinking it but breathing it in every day. The worst thing however, is that the stuff remains radioactive for billions of years, their country will never recover.

What cities have been wiped out? Do you have pictures of the neighborhoods full of dead people from the depleted uranium attacks?

I really don't know enough to say what the extent of such damage would be, but with the mass cult that is so boned up to trash the U.S. any little chance they get, this would be humongous news if it were as serious as some people are making it out to be. Just look at what kind of hysteria resulted from the fraternity hazing at Abu Ghraib by a select few deviants who were not following orders (and not the mass killings performed by the lovely and wonderful Iraqi insurgent terrorists). There might be some bad effects, but they have apparently been determined to be very minor in comparison to the highly extreme effects of refraining from the military operations. War sucks, and it will no longer be necessary when the whole world is liberated. The more international support we get in working toward that goal, the sooner it will happen.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

What cities have been wiped out? Do you have pictures of the neighborhoods full of dead people from the depleted uranium attacks?

Who ever said that? Do you even understand the issue here? Uranium, even 'depleted' (depleted enough not to have use in reactors) gives people CANCER. Cancer isn't nice to give to people.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../07/se.08.html

Bottom line there:

DR. HELEN CALDICOTT, NUCLEAR POLICY RESEARCH INSTITUTE: Yes. They used up to 300 to 800 tons of uranium shells that are 1.7 times more dense than lead. So, they cut through a tank like a hot knife through butter, but they're (UNINTELLIGIBLE). So, when they hit the tank, they spontaneously burn, producing tiny particles of respiratory (ph) size. Hence, they can be inhaled into the terminal air passages.

They're radioactive and carcinogenic, and uranium 238 has a half- life of 4.5 billion years.

So, what's happened is, because children are 10 to 20 times more radiosensitive than adults and get cancer much more readily, the incidents of childhood cancer in Basra, where these weapons were used, has gone up 6 to 12 times. Little girls are even getting breast cancer at the age of 10.

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Also, of course the pentagon knows better what the effect of uranium is. Like agent orange. It totally wasn't toxic to people, not at all. Really it wasn't. No way it wasn't. Look, we have like great reports here, they are real shiny, and they buy us time till people forget about the birth defects in vietnam (that still are (relatively) Extremely frequent in Vietnam).

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Just look at what kind of hysteria resulted from the fraternity hazing at Abu Ghraib by a select few deviants who were not following orders (and not the mass killings performed by the lovely and wonderful Iraqi insurgent terrorists).

lol.

Where have I heard that before? 'OH, but those people weren't doing what the government wanted'. Mmmmm... Sounds like: "Oh, but those people aren't really Muslims.' or "oh, all the Christians that are racist, aren't really Christians."

War sucks, and it will no longer be necessary when the whole world is liberated. The more international support we get in working toward that goal, the sooner it will happen.

Haha. Please tell me you are high right now. Man, if you honestly think that, you are quite literally insane. Hows the great liberation-streak gone for you, the last 30-40 years? However, few people will call you insane. As will people not call a man insane that claims to have seen a flying man, as long as that man is Jesus.

It all dwindles down to large groups with mass delusions. I see more and more similarities between religious groups, political groups like communism, and extremely nationalistic groups like most of Americans, and how the Nazis were.

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Because 'this is bad, but we have to do it', says so much. (You admit war sucks, but you just haaave to keep on liberatin') Do you really think the Nazis enjoyed gassing Jews? I can assure you, 90% did not. It 'just had to be done', for the greater good, for the 3rd reich, for their 'global liberation'.