Thread: What's the dealio with GOP candidate Ron Paul?

I take a different tone when it comes to political topics. Because in religion there isn't a simple "yes this is true" "no this is not" I feel it is slightly different in the political realm. And I don't really care to comment anymore in this discussion. I find you are too set in your ways to even try and comprehend (not that I think you can't) what I was trying to say and we will go in loops and loops. About "yes I said this, no I didn't say that" because when I read what you wrote I just keep saying to myself "Hmmm, nooo that is not what I was saying." or "He missed my point" whereas in the religion forms I am much more open and trying to challenge beliefs I find even your attitude to be much more authoritative and un-open.

Originally Posted by jaasum

I take a different tone when it comes to political topics. Because in religion there isn't a simple "yes this is true" "no this is not" I feel it is slightly different in the political realm. And I don't really care to comment anymore in this discussion. I find you are too set in your ways to even try and comprehend (not that I think you can't) what I was trying to say and we will go in loops and loops. About "yes I said this, no I didn't say that" because when I read what you wrote I just keep saying to myself "Hmmm, nooo that is not what I was saying." or "He missed my point" whereas in the religion forms I am much more open and trying to challenge beliefs I find even your attitude to be much more authoritative and un-open.

Set in my ways? I took a lot of time to have an on-point dialogue with you about this, so you are being dishonest once again. I have completely welcomed and invited your detailed responses, so you have no basis for assuming that I wish to shut out what you say. Yet you say that any way. Keep in mind that your rudeness alone, which is the dominant theme in your posts, is completely noneducational, aside from giving me more perspective on how the leftist mind works. You can talk about this stuff without being rude. If it is really peace that you value, show it in your own behavior.

Please re-read that post. I am obviously angry, anger and peace can go hand in hand. I mostly react that way because I sense the same from your posts, could just be my own perception though so forgive me...I'll try to work on it.

And for the recrod, don't say I have a "leftist" mind because I in no way think of myself as "leftist" or "rightist" or any side. My interests are for my country and that of my own life and my fellow person's lives. Calling me a "leftist" is incredibly ignorant and assumptions and it shows the reason I get aggravated from reading your posts. It is the same thing as when this guy comes into my work and walks up to the front office and says "Oh hey you liberals how is it going?" I never once called you a neo-con. I said you were form Mississippi which I apologize for, not apologizing for being from mississippi but for assuming you are a redneck-bush-love just for being from there. So can you accept an apology and maybe not come off as so "I am right!" all the time, because you are only going to get the same back.

Originally Posted by SolSkye

LOL. That's it... everyone else is rude, narcissistic, and uneducated. God forbid if UM is actually ever wrong. There can't possibly be a way that he could just be simply living in delusion sucking on that mass-media teet, even though the only other person on here that ever agrees with him went off and sold his soul to kill people in Iraq for the corporate plutocracy called, America.

Do you really need to wonder why people step back from arguing with you? I'll give you a hint... it's definitely not because of your unparalleled wit and insight.

Oh great, it's the return of... Solskye.

I know YOU kept backing down to my arguments because you couldn't argue with them. I notice that your post above countered absolutely none of my points. That seems to be a trend with you. You should be proud.

Originally Posted by jaasum

Please re-read that post. I am obviously angry, anger and peace can go hand in hand. I mostly react that way because I sense the same from your posts, could just be my own perception though so forgive me...I'll try to work on it.

And for the recrod, don't say I have a "leftist" mind because I in no way think of myself as "leftist" or "rightist" or any side. My interests are for my country and that of my own life and my fellow person's lives. Calling me a "leftist" is incredibly ignorant and assumptions and it shows the reason I get aggravated from reading your posts. It is the same thing as when this guy comes into my work and walks up to the front office and says "Oh hey you liberals how is it going?" I never once called you a neo-con. I said you were form Mississippi which I apologize for, not apologizing for being from mississippi but for assuming you are a redneck-bush-love just for being from there. So can you accept an apology and maybe not come off as so "I am right!" all the time, because you are only going to get the same back.

I do have opinions, and one of them is that at least your views on 9/11 and the Iraq war are leftist. When I debate this stuff, my initial goal is not to say, "Ha ha, I'm right!" I get that way when I am insulted because shit talk becomes part of the game, but not by my initiation. My original goal is to say, "This is how I see it. I want to learn why you think it is wrong." I think angry behavior is unpeaceful, so let's both try to keep it out of our conversation.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Oh great, it's the return of... Solskye.

I know YOU kept backing down to my arguments because you couldn't argue with them. I notice that your post above countered absolutely none of my points. That seems to be a trend with you. You should be proud.



I do have opinions, and one of them is that at least your views on 9/11 and the Iraq war are leftist. When I debate this stuff, my initial goal is not to say, "Ha ha, I'm right!" I get that way when I am insulted because shit talk becomes part of the game, but not by my initiation. My original goal is to say, "This is how I see it. I want to learn why you think it is wrong." I think angry behavior is unpeaceful, so let's both try to keep it out of our conversation.

Well they are not, because I don't understand where simply trying to get an overall grasp of all sides of the story and all motives and responses and history my peon mind can comprehend on such a complex matter is automatically leftist. I already told you I am a conservative, but even that would give you assumptions about what I think and believe. I am a conservative in the literal meaning of the word. Going to war isn't conservative and the things that lead to 9/11 weren't conservative, and neither was our response that lead us into the wars in the first place. I am defending the innocence of the American people (you tend to think I am blaming them, which I am sorry to say is exactly what fox news says about anyone who says 9/11 was a result of our foreign policy), I am advocating our freedom and democracy and I am most of all trying to make the most logical decisions on what truly will prevent the next attack from extremist groups and make this nation safer and more sovereign. But you can keep calling me a leftist, but that just isn't the case. I see leftists as complainers who fail to come up with any better idea. I have better ideas and Ron Paul fits many of those, that is why I support Ron Paul, not because I am some tree-hugger-hippie-leftist-liberal.

Translation of SolSkye's post: I am still stumped from all of the debates I started having with Universal Mind but was too stumped to finish and as a result resorted to empty insults instead, obviously.

Originally Posted by jaasum

Well they are not, because I don't understand where simply trying to get an overall grasp of all sides of the story and all motives and responses and history my peon mind can comprehend on such a complex matter is automatically leftist. I already told you I am a conservative, but even that would give you assumptions about what I think and believe. I am a conservative in the literal meaning of the word. Going to war isn't conservative and the things that lead to 9/11 weren't conservative, and neither was our response that lead us into the wars in the first place. I am defending the innocence of the American people (you tend to think I am blaming them, which I am sorry to say is exactly what fox news says about anyone who says 9/11 was a result of our foreign policy), I am advocating our freedom and democracy and I am most of all trying to make the most logical decisions on what truly will prevent the next attack from extremist groups and make this nation safer and more sovereign. But you can keep calling me a leftist, but that just isn't the case. I see leftists as complainers who fail to come up with any better idea. I have better ideas and Ron Paul fits many of those, that is why I support Ron Paul, not because I am some tree-hugger-hippie-leftist-liberal.

You don't have to get offended by it. Your views on those subjects are considered left wing. It is a fact.

9/11 was not "caused" by our foreign policy. It was caused by members of Al Qaeda, who hate the United States for a mulititude of reasons, as they have stated, one being our foreign policy as it relates to our "infidel" status.

Why are you so obsessed with Fox News?

Originally Posted by jaasum

I am obviously angry, anger and peace can go hand in hand. I mostly react that way because I sense the same from your posts, could just be my own perception though so forgive me...I'll try to work on it.

No way. Universal Mind should be the one apologizing to you. Not the other way around. He totally distorted your views. Like he seems to enjoy doing. I find it odd to say the least.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Translation of SolSkye's post: I am still stumped from all of the debates I started having with Universal Mind but was too stumped to finish and as a result resorted to empty insults instead, obviously.

And more defamation. King of distortion.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

You don't have to get offended by it. Your views on those subjects are considered left wing. It is a fact.

9/11 was not "caused" by our foreign policy. It was caused by members of Al Qaeda, who hate the United States for a mulititude of reasons, as they have stated, one being our foreign policy as it relates to our "infidel" status.

Why are you so obsessed with Fox News?

You are playing with words and missing the points I am trying to make. Also, your brash "rightness" about your opinions of my political views makes it very difficult to have an honest discussion with you. You aren't so much concerned with actually looking at evidence or dissecting what I have placed before you, instead you are concerned with "converting" me to your "right wing" mindset, because you see me as some "left winged liberal". This just simply is not the case and until you can change your mind about how you view my posts and information I can't continue with you. If we are going to discuss Ron Paul there is a great deal more to discuss than simply his anti-war stance. Though that plays a huge role in solving many problems the US faces, mostly financially.

And in response to your statement (this is why you are playing with words). Do you think I am some sort of idiot? I know Al-Qeada CAUSED 9/11. I am no idiot and I am not justifying what they did. As Ron Paul puts it WHAT Al-Qeada did was called blowback. They did this BECAUSE, as in their motive, their reason, why they attacked us because of UNJUST things the US did. We were unrightfully involved in the affairs of their nations, what the US has done is killed thousands of their people, unjustifiably twisted balances of power to fit our interests ect ect. If we fail to look at this then we fail to do anything to prevent future attacks.

If Iran bombed us (which is highly unlikely) do you know why they would bomb us? If your answer to that is "they would bomb us because they would bomb us." they maybe you can see how what you are saying doesn't make sense. I am talking about key historical reasons they hate the US and they think the only way to get us to stop is by "and eye for an eye" by killing innocent people. In the last Osama Bin Laden tape he specifically said "There are Christians in this land, and we won't kill them, ect ect" Making an obvious point that he doesn't hate us for our freedom, our religious beliefs ect he hates us because we blindly put people like bush in power who meddle in the affairs of their nations, kill their people, force their beliefs around the world. The 9/11 attacks where a political move, a horrible horrible one that should be looked down upon and the people who carried it out brought to justice. Osama Bin Laden isn't right in what he did, but the reasons he did it are factual, and if we fail to look at them, and keep doing things like them it only drastically increases the chances of us getting attacked. And as you love to say "That is a fact and my point still stands."

Do you think Osama Bin Laden did it just because he is sitting over there in the desert and is like. "THOSE FUCKING AMERICANS WITH THEIR RAP MUSIC GAHHHH!!!!!" or do you think maybe he got that angry because of things we did.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Set in my ways? I took a lot of time to have an on-point dialogue with you about this, so you are being dishonest once again. I have completely welcomed and invited your detailed responses, so you have no basis for assuming that I wish to shut out what you say. Yet you say that any way. Keep in mind that your rudeness alone, which is the dominant theme in your posts, is completely noneducational, aside from giving me more perspective on how the leftist mind works. You can talk about this stuff without being rude. If it is really peace that you value, show it in your own behavior.

LOL. That's it... everyone else is rude, narcissistic, and uneducated. God forbid if UM is actually ever wrong about something. There can't possibly be a way that he could just be simply living in delusion sucking on that mass-media teet, even though the only other person on here that ever agrees with him went off and sold his soul to kill people in Iraq for the corporate plutocracy called, America.

Do you really need to wonder why people step back and concede from arguing with you? I'll give you a hint... it's definitely not because of your unparalleled wit and insight.

welp, thats a step in the wrong direction

Not really, I don't fear idiocy so I call it when I see it and laugh, rather than mask my intentions with eloquence and pretentiousness in order to gain stupidity's respect and admiration.

I thought I'd point out that after weeks of stepping out of these debates he talks in so many circles it's dizzying. Just be forewarned, It'd be wise to rethink wasting your time stepping into the vacuous void of a debate with UM.

Now that I think of it...his avatar makes a lot of sense in describing his debating method. It's kind like a spirograph or blackhole from which no light or rationale can escape.